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Update on Lawsuit Filed Against Hawaii Dept of Health on Behalf of Virginia Sunahara's Brother
ObamaRelease YourRecords ^ | Thursday, January 5, 2012 | Dean C. Haskins

Posted on 01/05/2012 1:02:54 PM PST by Red Steel

Update on New Lawsuit Filed Against Hawaii Department of Health on Behalf of Virginia Sunahara's Brother, Duncan Sunahara
As reported here brother of Virginia Sunahara, Duncan Sunahara has filed suit against Hawaii to obtain access to Virginia's original long-form birth certificate. Dean Haskins of the Birth Summit lays out the details below. See the complaint here.

WAS BABY VIRGINIA SUNAHARA'S IDENTITY STOLEN?
Dean C. Haskins

As was previously reported, in October and November, we spent a total of 2 ½ weeks in Hawaii on an investigative assignment. It was at the beginning of that stay that we met Duncan Sunahara, a highly informed, but unassuming guy, complete with his signature coconut palm frond hat. He was a military veteran with an obvious deep love for his country.


Early last year, Duncan had become aware of some possible issues surrounding his late sister Virginia's birth certificate, and had spent quite a bit of time on his own trying to get his questions answered. As he related to us, it seemed he was getting nothing but a "run around" from the Department of Health, and the area hospitals. Oddly, it had been reported in 2010 that DOH Director, Loretta Fuddy, had claimed that no records existed for Virginia Sunahara.

Duncan knew that his sister was born in the same hospital that he had been a few years earlier, and that she was transferred to another hospital, but he didn't know which one (and his elderly mother could not remember). He had visited the birth hospital, Wahiawa General, and both Queen's and Kapi'olani Medical Centers, but was not able to obtain any information from them. We were able to help him procure all of the medical records from the day Virginia spent in Wahiawa General, and found that she was transferred to Kapi'olani, but Kapi'olani insists they have no records on file. It does seem odd that Wahiawa would have the records, but Kapi'olani supposedly does not (how much room could it take to store a roll of microfilm?). This certainly seems "convenient" for them.

When we visited the Department of Health, we weren't quite sure what we would find, since Loretta Fuddy had insisted that Virginia's records didn't exist. However, we were pleasantly surprised that Duncan's application produced several certified copies of Hawaii's new short form birth certificate (which they now absurdly call their "long form"). Upon closer inspection, we learned that the number assigned to Virginia's birth certificate is 151-1961-01180, and realized that, statistically, that number simply cannot be legitimate.

Now, here's what's wrong with that number: we all know that the last group of numbers on the "certificate" Barack Obama claims is his official record is 10641, and his certificate was supposedly processed on August 8, 1961. We also know that the Nordyke twins were assigned the numbers 10637 and 10638, and their certificates were processed on August 11, 1961. Virginia Sunahara's birth certificate states that it was processed on August 10, 1961, but the number it was assigned is 443 higher than the Nordyke twin whose certificate was stamped with the number 10637.

We know that there were 17,616 births in Hawaii in 1961, which shows a statistical average of 48 births per day. To arrive at the number now assigned to Virginia's birth certificate, nine to ten days would have had to have lapsed after the Nordyke twins' certificates were processed, but Virginia's processing date was the day BEFORE the Nordyke's.


To refute the ridiculous argument that birth certificate worksheets were pre-numbered, and clerks kept small stacks of them on their desks for processing, that is not only patently false, but also, by federal law, would be illegal. Birth certificate "worksheets" (what they call blank birth certificate forms) are kept at the hospitals, and it is there where the information is entered onto them. Once all the information has been entered, they are sent to the DOH, where they are processed using a Bates machine, which enters certificate numbers sequentially, and then the date of processing is stamped onto them. Basement bloggers who suggest otherwise simply prove their lack of factual knowledge with that argument (as if any further proof of that were needed).

We went back to the DOH the next day to try to obtain a photocopy of Virginia's original birth certificate, but were told that Duncan was not allowed to receive that (according to DOH rules). When we pointed out to Supervisor Jesse Koike that their "rules" were illegal, according to Hawaiian statutes, he told us that Duncan would have to discuss that with Dr. Alvin Onaka. We spent four hours waiting to speak with Onaka, who eventually instructed the security guard to throw us out of the facility (which seems to be outrageous behavior from someone with nothing to hide). Duncan also made several phone calls trying to make an appointment to see Onaka, but could not get him even to return his calls.

We then sent a certified letter to Onaka requesting the photocopy, and also included the relevant statutory information, and were informed in writing that we would have to take the matter up with Hawaii's Attorney General, which we did. The response we received from the AG contained the same deceptive misinterpretation of the statute, so, as a final step toward filing a complaint with the court, Duncan sent a letter asking for an estimate of how much it would cost for the DOH to perform the necessary research to copy, and send, Virginia's original birth certificate. No response was ever received from the DOH.

Having attempted every administrative procedure to obtain that to which Duncan is statutorily entitled, a lawsuit was filed on Tuesday, January 3, 2012.

Here is a video interview of Duncan Sunahara.


It is still unbelievable that, in 2008, our so-called media dispatched teams to sift through Sarah Palin's trash looking for anything they could find to discredit her, but did nothing of the sort regarding an empty suit Marxist from Chicago who refused to provide any substantive documentation regarding his eligibility. When the media and the politicians refuse to do their jobs, it is up to "We the People" to do it for them—and that is exactly what we are continuing to do. Please stay tuned, as we will keep you up to date on this case.

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If you would like more information about the Birther Summit, please visit our website often at www.birthersummit.org or contact Dean Haskins at dean@birthersummit.org.

http://www.birthersummit.org/news/73-was-baby-virginia-sunaharas-identity-stolen.html

Excerpted, More here, http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/01/update-on-lawsuit-filed-against-hawaii.html


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Education; Government
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; hawaii; naturalborncitizen; obama
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Once all the information has been entered, they are sent to the DOH, where they are processed using a Bates machine, which enters certificate numbers sequentially, and then the date of processing is stamped onto them. Basement bloggers who suggest otherwise simply prove their lack of factual knowledge with that argument (as if any further proof of that were needed).

"Basement Bloggers" would be Dr. CON, Foggy-OBots, Zotted FR troll EnderWiggins and et al....

1 posted on 01/05/2012 1:03:04 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
Not to thread hijack or nothing, but RE:
 
"Basement Bloggers" would be Dr. CON, Foggy-OBots, Zotted FR troll EnderWiggins and et al....
 
I clicked that link - saw posts by Parsifal - clicked his screen name and saw his account is still active. I thought for sure he also got the zot. What happened? And - if anyone cares - you can see his last post was a sort of self-zot.
 
FWIW.BTTT

2 posted on 01/05/2012 1:13:11 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Ole Parsy went away by himself. He went to play over at TheFogBow.com.


3 posted on 01/05/2012 1:19:24 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
Basement bloggers who suggest otherwise...

I threw that idea out there a while back before I knew about Bates numbering of the certificates, merely as a possible explanation for the sequence problems, but I wasn't trying to claim it was THE explanation or that I had all the facts. This fellow seems unnecessarily snippy about it.

4 posted on 01/05/2012 1:20:52 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel

Here’s my post from April 27, 2011:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2711204/posts?page=90#90


5 posted on 01/05/2012 1:23:15 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel

Here’s my post from April 27, 2011 about the “checkbook” notion:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2711204/posts?page=90#90


6 posted on 01/05/2012 1:28:32 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Red Steel

Next thing you know, Virginia is actually a Charles Calthrop.


7 posted on 01/05/2012 1:34:41 PM PST by Mashood
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To: Red Steel

Dean sent out a call for this to be cross posted - so I did, also adding the rest of the story of the trip in July 2010 by “Researcher” to Honolulu, where she was the first to contact Duncan and his mother. She (Researcher) also did ALL of the original legwork on the Virgina Sunahara research.

“Most of you know/recall that the Post&Email, and this blog,(myveryownpointofview) did several posts/articles on the research that we did into the Virginia Sunahara angle in July of 2010.

Basically it had been suggested that obama may have usurped a birth certificate number from an infant that had been born, then passed away, within the same time frame that is obama’s birthday. Ala Bill Ayers style. So we tried to look into it while Researcher was in Honolulu.

Long story short, back when our Researcher met Duncan, she did not tell Duncan that we were looking to determine if Virginia’s BC number had been usurped by obama. She had never actually planned to meet the Sunaharas, so that part of the research trip was spur-of-the-moment, and the decision to be overly-cautious was agreed to by all three of us. We felt the delicacy of the situation, and since Researcher was alone, we felt it best and safest to be very limited in the contact with Virginias’ family. And the line of questions.

We had tried several attempts afterwards to engage Duncan, and to have him consider a trip to the Honolulu Dept. of Health to request Virginias’ birth certificate, but he never responded. Because he had never responded, I felt it would be too risky for Researcher to travel back to Honolulu in an attempt to convince Duncan in person. Then WND made a call to Mrs. Sunahara (Duncan’s mother) in mid-May 2011, and she told him flatly that they had no interest in trying to obtain Virginias’ birth documents.

At that point I felt it was likely a lost cause to involve the family.

Then Dean met Duncan, and ......


8 posted on 01/05/2012 1:39:49 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Red Steel

Ping!!!


9 posted on 01/05/2012 1:51:19 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Red Steel
There is a problem with the explanation of numbers in this article, but it does not change the validity of the charge.

Upon closer inspection, we learned that the number assigned to Virginia's birth certificate is 151-1961-01180, and realized that, statistically, that number simply cannot be legitimate.

Now, here's what's wrong with that number: we all know that the last group of numbers on the "certificate" Barack Obama claims is his official record is 10641, and his certificate was supposedly processed on August 8, 1961. We also know that the Nordyke twins were assigned the numbers 10637 and 10638, and their certificates were processed on August 11, 1961. Virginia Sunahara's birth certificate states that it was processed on August 10, 1961, but the number it was assigned is 443 higher than the Nordyke twin whose certificate was stamped with the number 10637.

Virginia's number, 01180, is not 443 higher than the twins number, it is 9457 LOWER. I can only assume the author is comparing 1180 to 637, which is actually a difference of 543, not 443. But in fact the comparison is between 1180 and 10637, a difference of 9457.

10 posted on 01/05/2012 1:51:19 PM PST by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: Tatze

Then the “1” and the “0” are transposed.

Or “a difference of 9457” is even a more absurd difference in the document numbering by the state of Hawaii.


11 posted on 01/05/2012 2:04:17 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Tatze

They had a typo - the actual number is 011080


12 posted on 01/05/2012 2:04:38 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest

And yes, I am certain that it is in fact 011080 - before anyone calls me names :)


13 posted on 01/05/2012 2:06:22 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Red Steel

If 151-1961-01180 can’t be her real number, whose number is it? What time frame does this number indicate? Who has 151-1961-01179 and 151-1961-01181? When & where were they born?


14 posted on 01/05/2012 2:09:35 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: faucetman

With corrected numbers:
If 151-1961-011080 can’t be her real number, whose number is it? What time frame does this number indicate? Who has 151-1961-011079 and 151-1961-011081? When & where were they born?


15 posted on 01/05/2012 2:13:44 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: faucetman

From the article:

“We know that there were 17,616 births in Hawaii in 1961, which shows a statistical average of 48 births per day. To arrive at the number now assigned to Virginia’s birth certificate, nine to ten days would have had to have lapsed after the Nordyke twins’ certificates were processed, but Virginia’s processing date was the day BEFORE the Nordyke’s.”

151-1961-011080 could be:

a/ number of *another dead person*

b/ number of a trusted and politically reliable person.

c/ Obama’s real number, having just swapped it with the Sunahara file number.

Option b/ would be safest, if a suitable person was born at the correct time.


16 posted on 01/05/2012 2:28:25 PM PST by Exmil_UK
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To: Red Steel

sfl


17 posted on 01/05/2012 2:58:41 PM PST by phockthis
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To: Red Steel

This is what I am confused about. Could someone explain please? Let’s say 10641 was really Virginia Sunahara’s birth certificate number. She was born on the 4th. Her certificate was processed on the 10th. The Nordyke twins were born on the 5th (?). Their records were processed on the 11th. Why then are their numbers, 10637 and 10638, lower than the number processed on the 10th? Isn’t this the same problem as with Obama? Am I missing something here?

Thanks!


18 posted on 01/05/2012 4:34:03 PM PST by Mimi3
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To: Exmil_UK

Option D:

Virginia was in two hospitals in less than 24 hours of her birth. One in a billion chance of this happening.

Hospital A sends copy of vital records with patient to Hospital B.

Nurses are dilligent. Very diligent.

Nurse from Hospital A sends BC to HDOH on day 1.
Nurse from Hospital B sends same BC data on day 2, along with Death Certificate. Both are legit in every way.

HDOH processes first BC, the one Obama eventualy steals.
HDOH processes second BC, along with first, stamps second BC as filed, but is confused, sets it aside. 10 days later, it gets stamped with later number, total confusion at HDOH.

Obama has Phone it in “Junk” that sits in limbo. Never gets a BC. Filed but never accepted, and sent to the News papers.


19 posted on 01/05/2012 6:09:02 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Mimi3
10641 and 11081 are both Virginia Sunahara’s.
20 posted on 01/05/2012 6:33:55 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER

PA-RIVER, I understood that 11081 was a fake number, assigned to Virginia later to cover up the switch, not her real number. But the real number was the one that initially appeared on Obama’s birth certificate. And that was 10641.

If 10641 was not Virginia’s number then it must belong to some other person. And this other person must have been born after the Nordyke twins, because it’s a later number. Or am I confused?


21 posted on 01/06/2012 3:32:41 AM PST by Mimi3
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To: Mimi3
The numbers and dates, none of it makes sense.

It is possible that Virginia had two BC’s.

One from the first hospital, one from the second.

After they filed the first, they realized they had it wrong and filed the second?

Or, maybe her death caused some delay. Autopsy and DC. Anyone who dies in a hospital gets an autopsy?

The microfilm would tell.

Maybe O was adopted and became an Indonesian citizen, and that caused his BC to get permanently sealed. Maybe he has a long form, but its not allowed to be seen because he's an Indonesian citizen and deserves that privacy that Indonesian citizens have come to expect.

22 posted on 01/06/2012 5:09:46 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Mimi3
Something is very wrong.

The only explanation I can find is that HDOH was not following procedures when stamping the Certificate number and dates. If they got two BC’s for same kid, same day, two hospitals, and then a DC, it may have thrown them for a loop and caused procedures to break down. Eventually they just pushed it all through to get it off the desk, yet all screwed up.

23 posted on 01/06/2012 5:27:56 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Mimi3
I think I have it now. Two hospitals, same baby.

DC was received at HDOH from second Hospital before BC was received from first hospital. No BC is sent from second hospital.

DC is filed. HDOH sends Request to 2nd hospital for the BC.

They then receive BC from First Hospital, stamp it 10641. But they Must back date it, because it is greater than DC file date. This is the one instance where back dating would be logical and probably required.

Three weeks later, Second hospital submits a BC after the request is bounced from desk to desk at the hospital. It is stamped 11080. It is also back dated to precede the DC.

24 posted on 01/06/2012 7:16:08 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER

Thank you for your conjectures. Food for thought!


25 posted on 01/06/2012 8:55:18 AM PST by Mimi3
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To: Red Steel; Responsibility2nd; Ladysforest; faucetman; Fred Nerks; LucyT; PA-RIVER; ...

26 posted on 01/06/2012 11:50:52 AM PST by GregNH (One Pissed Off Natural Born Citizen OPONBC)
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To: GregNH

The above is from Dean Haskins. He commented that the birth number was hand written. Not sure of that is significant or not.


27 posted on 01/06/2012 11:55:20 AM PST by GregNH (One Pissed Off Natural Born Citizen OPONBC)
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To: GregNH

Where is that image from?


28 posted on 01/06/2012 11:57:10 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
From here Birther Summit
29 posted on 01/06/2012 11:59:44 AM PST by GregNH (One Pissed Off Natural Born Citizen OPONBC)
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To: butterdezillion

I was thinking....Because the child died one day after birth, is it possible that the BC was not processed, (numbered), until the date on the DC? That would account for a higher number....


30 posted on 01/06/2012 12:03:44 PM PST by GregNH (One Pissed Off Natural Born Citizen OPONBC)
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To: GregNH

Hmm. An 8pm death on Aug 5 doesn’t exactly match the story that Clara gave, IIRC. The name was changed on 8/29/61. That doesn’t make sense either, unless they also changed the name on the birth certificate. I thought Clara had said they had not changed any name on a birth certificate. It was a long time ago and she’s elderly but if the name was wrong on the birth certificate they would have needed the parents to do something to change it.

Do you know when they processed the death certificate? Especially before or after they processed the birth certificate?

If the HDOH gave Duncan a copy of the original death certificate then it blows out of the water any reason they might give for withholding a copy of the original birth certificate.

That serial stamp on the death certificate seems weird. And the 151 must not mean it’s a birth certificate; it must mean something else.


31 posted on 01/06/2012 12:09:37 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: GregNH

That’s where seeing the long-form would be important. It would tell when the BC was ACCEPTED by the state registrar - which is the date that the number was given.

I should see what Haskins has up about this. I’m wondering if the birth certificate was sent along with Virginia to Kapiolani which then submitted it to the HDOH, or whether Wahiawa completed the BC and sent it to the HDOH.


32 posted on 01/06/2012 12:14:54 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I do not know when they processed the DC but it just looks like to me that the person who did process the DC went looking for the BC to write the correct BC number on the DC. He or she finds that it does not have a number yet or was not even in existence. Because you can’t go back in time to retrieve a number that has already been assigned you are stuck recording the next available number.

Goes like this. The mother gives birth. There is an apparent problem with the health of the baby. She is rushed to Kapiolani where she dies the following day. The mother is grief stricken and does not sign the BC until sometime after the baby has been buried. She then signs the BC and it is pre-dated as if she signed it when she was supposed to. It is then that she discovers the wrong name. The name is corrected on the BC and the DC at same time.


33 posted on 01/06/2012 12:28:57 PM PST by GregNH (One Pissed Off Natural Born Citizen OPONBC)
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To: butterdezillion

Haskins says the BC was processed the day before the Nordykes’, so it was processed on Aug 10th - 18 days before the name was changed on the death certificate.

The death certificate could take longer to complete because there could be autopsy results required and the name discrepancy could have caused a delay in matching it with a birth certificate. I wonder what the filing/acceptance date for the death certificate is.

I’m looking at my daughter’s certificate of fetal death and see that it was signed by the delivering doctor on Thursday, 1-21-93, which is 8 days after she was stillborn, and filed by the state registrar the following Monday, on Jan 25, 1993. Because she was stillborn there was no certificate of live birth so they didn’t have anything to match up that way. The doctor probably waited for the results of the autopsy before signing the death certificate. Wasn’t able to put a cause of death because we never found out the cause.


34 posted on 01/06/2012 12:31:25 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: GregNH

The hospital handles the job of gathering signatures. The mom just does what she’s told. Virginia was not buried until mid-September, IIRC. The law required that births be reported within a week so they would not have waited a couple weeks to get her signature. Hospital stays were longer then, and I’m sure they got her signature while she was at the hospital so she wouldn’t have those technical things cutting into her grieving time at home.

Probably Wahiawa handled the birth certificate, which would be processed separately from the death certificate.


35 posted on 01/06/2012 12:40:28 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I have three children and four grand daughters. Even with three children and four grand children I cannot fathom what you have gone through, I can only imagine. God bless you for sticking with this. It is hard enough for me I can’t imagine how hard it is for you.

I was at the birth of my last grand daughter and two days after the birth a hospital worker came in with all the paper work for the parents to sign, just before release actually. The certificate of live birth was already signed and dated by the doctor. So I am thinking that VS’s mom just didn’t sign anything until sometime later. It seems perfectly logical that the mother left the hospital without signing the COLB that the hospital just sent it to DOH anyway. They do their thing, “process it”, but have to wait for the mom to come in and sign it and do not record a number.

You are correct the LF would be helpful.


36 posted on 01/06/2012 12:49:10 PM PST by GregNH (One Pissed Off Natural Born Citizen OPONBC)
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To: butterdezillion

Here’s what we do know . . .

The BC would not have been transferred with Virginia to Kapi’olani, as Clara was not transferred with Virginia. The BC was signed by both mother and delivery doctor, so it would have been done at Wahiawa General and then sent to DOH. The DC would have been sent by Kapi’olani.

By law, the DC had to be processed within 3 days, and the BC had to be processed within 7 days.

All processing was done at the DOH in Honolulu—all numbers and dates are assigned there.

Dean Haskins


37 posted on 01/06/2012 12:50:52 PM PST by Music Producer
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To: butterdezillion

I just answered my own question. He is Dean.


38 posted on 01/06/2012 1:03:10 PM PST by GregNH (One Pissed Off Natural Born Citizen OPONBC)
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To: Red Steel

Boy, there seem to be a lot more suits being filed. Is anyone or any website tracking these in an easy to read listing, and/or etc.? Obama must have increased the size of his legal team and expenses, I would think, to deal with the burgeoning number. Anyone have anything on this?


39 posted on 01/06/2012 1:04:33 PM PST by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: GregNH

Signing the paperwork right before release from the hospital is standard procedure. The hospitals have employees whose only or main job is to make sure they have the paperwork handled before the patient leaves. In Hawaii the law says that the hospital is in charge of properly submitting the birth certificate and they are to do it within a week of the birth.

It’s routine procedure regardless of the outcome of the delivery. Just like giving the pills to make sure the grieving mom doesn’t lactate or signing an agreement for an autopsy. Or having the nurses leave you to go tend the crying baby down the hall, or the mother in labor with a live baby. Sitting alone in the hospital while your husband arranges the funeral. It all seems cold at the time, but it has to be done at the right time or else there will be more sorrow later. The mom is numb anyway; they tell her to sign, she signs. At that point everything is just doing what you have to do to get through it. You go home and take down the crib, try to figure out what to do with all the baby blankets that your friends and family gave you. The tiny diapers. And get ready for the letters from formula companies congratulating you on your baby’s birth, wondering if you want coupons for their products.

Thanks for your warm thoughts. This stuff really does bring back a lot of painful memories. I’m always weepy this time of the year anyway. I wish I could give Clara and Duncan a great big hug. I think for anybody who’s been through it, every time we hear of someone else’s loss it makes us relive those wounds.


40 posted on 01/06/2012 1:04:54 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Music Producer

If that’s you, Dean, and you have a chance to talk to Duncan or Clara, please tell them that I grieve with them and send them a big hug as one who has been through it myself. I’ve cried many times over their loss. When Researcher told me about their conversation I got off the phone and just had to cry for a while because it brought it all back.

My daughter was stillborn at 42 weeks on January 13, 1993. About a week later President Clinton gave executive orders pushing abortion. Every year about the time when we are remembering the Roe v Wade decision I am remembering my little daughter who is so precious to me.

I would dearly love it if January could be known as the time that Virginia Sunahara’s short but precious life was given the respect it deserves.


41 posted on 01/06/2012 1:12:09 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Red Steel

This is all a bit hard to follow but I don’t think that we can know for sure that the handwritten number 151-61-11080 is real.

I mean if Virginia’s real BC number is 10641 and it was stolen then it’s not too difficult to believe that all the documents BC and DC would be changed to accommodate the fraud.

It would be soooo sweet if Duncan could find the original BC somewhere in his family records. The one that was issued in 1961.

If they were different then the fraud would be obvious and a nice trap to boot.


42 posted on 01/06/2012 1:46:12 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: GregNH; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; Bikkuri; ...
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Check out article, then # 1 through # 42.

See graphic at # 26.

Thanks GregNH

43 posted on 01/06/2012 5:00:35 PM PST by LucyT
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To: GregNH; butterdezillion; LucyT

thanks for the ping...it’s got me tricked, her death announcement on 8th August is shown under the name TOMIYO SUNAHARA. On 29th August she’s shown on the part-document released by Duncan as VIRGINIA. Does that mean TOMIYO was officially dead for two weeks?
And how long was she actually officially dead by the time she was given a name?
It could be construed that Virginia didn’t exist until August 29, couldn’t it?
So what’s going on in Hawaii? Does this indicate they are idiots or something far more...?...interesting


44 posted on 01/06/2012 5:11:11 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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It maybe idiots that lead to something far more interesting....


45 posted on 01/06/2012 5:29:33 PM PST by GregNH (One Pissed Off Natural Born Citizen OPONBC)
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To: PA-RIVER; Mimi3; butterdezillion

What is the possibility of a double switch...0 takes B number and B is given C’s number, when someone catches on the 0 being given B’s number?


46 posted on 01/06/2012 5:58:34 PM PST by hoosiermama (GAME-ON!)
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To: butterdezillion

Seems to me, you have some angels sitting on your shoulders and helping you keep at this issue.


47 posted on 01/06/2012 6:19:57 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: hoosiermama

I’ve actually had that thought in mind for a while now, particularly because of the way various entities have been handling the records of another potentially-involved person.

This is why the microfilm roll is so important, and why it is also imperative that the transaction logs and vital records history be examined. Those would show all the changes that anybody made to the various records.


48 posted on 01/06/2012 6:35:27 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: combat_boots

Some of ‘em might be right here at FR. We never know when we might be entertaining angels unawares.

The most important people in this battle right now are the prayer warriors; I’m convinced of that. Those who are in the middle of the battle have no hope of anything if they are not covered in prayer, and I know that some of the people who are in critical positions right now are fully aware of that and asking everyone to cloak them in prayer.

Today I was really feeling sad, dealing with a lot of painful memories. You can go so long remembering the good and keeping an even keel and then sometimes the grief hits you just like it was yesterday. I went to work at the after-school program and found myself tired and moody, with little things irritating me. Right before she left for the day one of the 5th-graders came up to me, wrapped her arms around my neck in a hug, and said, “Bye, Mrs R”. It was just like a hug from the Lord. There must have been something in my voice when I said, “Thank you so much for that, Sabrina”, because her brother also gave me a pat on the shoulder on the way past right after that. Seemingly little things but the Lord knows when we need something to give us strength.

Today it hit me like a rock when it was said on this thread that Clara didn’t get to be transported with Virginia. It hurts just to think about that. I got to hold my baby, even though she had already died by then. I hope Clara got to hold her daughter. I can’t imagine being in a hospital across town from where my daughter was dying. I ache and tear up just thinking about it. And especially coming after somebody was making fun of the Santorum family for allowing their other children to see their child who died, to let them hold the child. Dang, I’m losing it. To hold that child and send them Home with a name. That’s all we can do. I can’t imagine somebody wanting to take even that from us, or to mock us for that.

One of our parishioners called at suppertime; one of the other ladies in our church lost her husband to a heart attack today. Just like that, someone who meant so much can be Home and we’re left to pick up the pieces. What a gift the people in our lives are. And what a gift the Wonderful Counselor is, the Prince of Peace, the Lion of Judah as your tag says.


49 posted on 01/06/2012 6:56:27 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Hmmm an external audit of the entire department seem on order!


50 posted on 01/06/2012 6:56:34 PM PST by hoosiermama (GAME-ON!)
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