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The Wrap on the ABC New Hampshire Debate
Virtues and Values ^ | 1/7/2012 | Les Dowrey

Posted on 01/07/2012 8:15:34 PM PST by LesDowrey

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To: RnMomof7

Thank God people were watching the NFL Playoffs instead of this Debate. Newt was sharp, as always. Wish he’d gotten more questions and more time in the Debate.


21 posted on 01/07/2012 8:39:14 PM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The race is still not over. Both Rick S and Newt will still be around after SC and Fla. The Pubs will just not remind people of the disaster that is Obama’s Admin., the Reid Senate and San Fran Nan House reps. Nobody is getting red meat except sometimes via Newt but the MSM still creates news and is the largest proponent of Bama which 75% of Americans still watch, see and believe. Only Fox, some blogs and Talk Radio gives any truths so no wonder people are cynical. ABC is just another MSM prop for Obama. We all know that and still get pessimistic because that is what they want us to be.


22 posted on 01/07/2012 8:40:28 PM PST by phillyfanatic
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To: LesDowrey
Brokered convention. We've had how many primaries so far?...anyone? And yet it's all Chinese opera, a forum for people to bash every conservative-leaning candidate that becomes popular. But it doesn't matter because we all know who the nominee is going to be. You know who has selected our nominee? The MSM, that's who. I'm sick and tired of the bandwagon approach. Candidates ought to take their delegates to the convention and then settle on a candidate there. Not a two day long fakey infomercial for the press nominee. A convention, people. One where the delegates who went to all of the trouble of showing up for candidates and issues that they cared about decide on a platform and a candidate that they believe in instead of pretending that they like the inevitable lame nominee much more than the other guy.

Is that unfair to Romney, the fellow worked so hard raising all that campaign cash from fat cat donors and flipflopping this way and that in accordance with the news cycle? Why yes, yes it is.

But this isn't about Romney or any other one candidate. It's about the direction of the country.
23 posted on 01/07/2012 8:41:08 PM PST by yup2394871293
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To: no dems
Newt was sharp, as always. Wish he’d gotten more questions and more time in the Debate.

That was the ABC plan, not to give Newt time.

24 posted on 01/07/2012 8:43:04 PM PST by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: VicVega

Thanks so much for the score. I was just watching the beginning of our TIVO’ed version of the game after watching the debate live.

Sheesh.


25 posted on 01/07/2012 8:44:23 PM PST by battletank
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To: LesDowrey

Unlike many as conservative as I am, I’ve never written Romney off, but I’ve been leaning towards Newt as my first choice for quite some time.

Tonight, however, I was better aware of two key qualities which Mitt has probably always had, but which I just hadn’t paid attention to.

First, he doesn’t see every problem as having a government solution - which separates him from both Newt and Santorum in my mind.

Second, he is the only one that sincerely articulates what’s at stake in this election beyond his own political fortunes. His heartfelt description of the damage an Obama victory will bring, and the fact that the damage will have no chance to be corrected for a very long time - this short speech about the big picture, and his ability to see it beyond the individual issues, grabbed me like little else has done so far.

Santorum, in addition, is not Presidential. Newt, in a Churchillian way, could be, but he seems to have liabilities that at least equal his assets. Perry was better this debate, but has no chance, in my mind, and Huntsman is a dog that won’t hunt.

Sorry folks: cancel my account here if you must, but I’m behind Romney at this point, and wondering why I wasn’t more so all along.


26 posted on 01/07/2012 8:45:03 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: LesDowrey

In order for the GOP to be worth ****, the party must become the party of reform and small government and it must become the biggest, strongest political party to the detriment of the Democrat party. Nothing else matters.


27 posted on 01/07/2012 8:46:41 PM PST by yup2394871293
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To: gusopol3; All

When you have 3-4 conservatives in the race, Romney wins.

It really is that simple.

Two at least will have to drop out, but frankly I don’t think any of them are decent enough to do so. They have too much pride.

Let’s face it: even in tough times, the president normally wins reelection.

Obama knows that. Unless we can get somebody to rally the anti-Romney crowd, it’s pretty much all over.

However, there is still plenty of time. I am not losing hope yet. NH is pretty much a foregone conclusion. It’s SC and Florida that could be the deciders.


28 posted on 01/07/2012 8:49:01 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: TBBT

And how about that little weenie Stepinshitolous? Turning a question into a forum for his loony-left ideas.


29 posted on 01/07/2012 8:49:31 PM PST by pankot
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To: LesDowrey

Newt and Perry are the only two I like.


30 posted on 01/07/2012 8:49:42 PM PST by independent in tx
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To: comebacknewt
Is there anyone out there who can step in at this point and save the day?

Yes

31 posted on 01/07/2012 8:49:42 PM PST by upsdriver (We Tea Partiers need Sarah Palin for president.)
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To: All

Do you know why the debate commentators kept mentioning contraceptives? Because we’re all screwed!!!


32 posted on 01/07/2012 8:50:33 PM PST by ak267
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To: LesDowrey

I have already vowed on this forum that God must strike me dead if I ever cast a vote for Mittens.

This GOP field looks more and more to me like they’re all in the primary race solely to put the fix in for Mittens. ...Make a showing, pretend to “go after” him, but always remember the name of the game is to keep Mittens’ name in the news, and maybe if he likes you enough and you’re not too hard on him he will pick YOU for his VP slot! In the meantime, make it look like Mittens won a hard-fought primary battle. If that’s their game they will play it without me, that’s for certain.

LesDowry, you said that Americans most admire and appreciate core convictions. I agree completely, and know that to be true from seeing it first-hand with Ronald Reagan’s landslides. The one GOP candidate I see genuinely filling that bill is (gulp) Ron Paul. One thing about him, he isn’t trying to put the fix in for Mittens, and he surely isn’t running for VP.


33 posted on 01/07/2012 8:50:49 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RnMomof7

ABC’s people are flat-out horrible, and that’s most of it.

But I expected more from Newt as far as attacking Romney goes. He did a good job of doing what he always does in “winning the debate” by having the best command of facts and data and being willing to take it to the media numbskulls.

But tonight was a lost opportunity in terms of showing people why Mitt Romney is not the right choice.

Mitt spews his campaign speech platitudes and to probably 90% of the audience, he sounds like a staunch conservative who is just what we need. Who’s going to challenge that enough to start changing the poll numbers?


34 posted on 01/07/2012 8:51:14 PM PST by bigbob
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To: battletank

I’ve been called a spoiler before. It’s still a great game to watch.


35 posted on 01/07/2012 8:54:01 PM PST by VicVega ( GEAUX LSU TIGERS, GEAUX SAINTS)
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To: RnMomof7

Looking on the bright side, at least Michelle wasn’t there.


36 posted on 01/07/2012 8:55:02 PM PST by cnsmom (csmom)
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To: RnMomof7

“tonight was a disaster”

Yes it was. This is what happens when the GOP presidential candidates agree to attend a debate hosted by a bunch of left wing loons like Diane Sawyer and Stephie Steppedalloverit. I could hardly bear to watch. It was a train wreck. Barry Soetoro must be enjoying his cigarette break in the rose garden tonight.


37 posted on 01/07/2012 8:58:08 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: rwfromkansas

It’s demonstrable that Obama is holding back development of our vast energy resources and therefore immense wealth. That alone is going to sink him no matter who runs against him. Sarah Palin would have made that argument the winner in ‘08 but for the suspiciously well-timed collapse of Lehman Brothers, but her arguments would have been theoretical. Now Obama will have that record to defend and it’s indefensible.


38 posted on 01/07/2012 8:59:51 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: Kharis13

Yeah but who cares if Obama loses if Romney wins? We end up, at best, in a marginally better place while destroying the Republican brand.

I don’t get it. I really don’t. Under Bush, and with a Republican Congress, we spent like drunk sailors and ruined the Republican brand in the process. We became the big spenders. We became the nation builders. The Dems hammered us for being, well, two damn liberal. Fiscally irresponsible big spending deficit loving liberals.

So hear we are 4-years later and we think it is a good idea to nominate a blue state Liberal that has held so many positions on the same issues he could debate himself.

Spent the last 20-years working polls, phone banks, door-to-door for signatures ... whatever I could to help the Republican party, but I won’t lift a finger to help elect Romney. He won’t get my help, he won’t get my vote. Better to shoot the elephant now and get it over with.


39 posted on 01/07/2012 9:00:56 PM PST by EagleInGA
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To: upsdriver

I thought you were volunteering until I read your tag line.


40 posted on 01/07/2012 9:01:51 PM PST by gusopol3
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