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To: GregNH
I certainly do not wish to argue the announcement theories but I think differently having been involved to some degree in that investigation personally. I do believe they are fabricated. But in either case it is not conclusive of anything without records of back up.

If someone comes up with a paper copy of one of those newspapers which shows that notice isn't in there, then I will of course re-evaluate my thinking on this. It is my understanding that someone is offering a reward for such now.

I just don't think the number of people who would have to be relied on to pull such a "planting" stunt off, could be trusted to keep their mouths shut. One leak or mistake and it would catch the lot of them. The Risk/Reward just doesn't make sense. It's not impossible, but to my understanding of human nature it seems improbable.

699 posted on 01/21/2012 3:48:22 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

There is someone on this site that seems to be implying he has a copy of the paper in question.. I can’t remember his name. It was all very mysterious . I know it was not Greg H but I just don’t remember the name.


705 posted on 01/21/2012 4:11:37 PM PST by RummyChick (It's a Satan Sandwich with Satan Fries on the side - perfect for Obama 666)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“One leak or mistake and it would catch the lot of them. The Risk/Reward just doesn’t make sense. It’s not impossible, but to my understanding of human nature it seems improbable. “

btw, Richard K C Lee (of the birth certificate) later wrote a paper with one of the Nordyke twins..for the institute that was known to be connected to the CIA.

Interesting coincidence in the scheme of it all.


706 posted on 01/21/2012 4:15:11 PM PST by RummyChick (It's a Satan Sandwich with Satan Fries on the side - perfect for Obama 666)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I just don't think the number of people who would have to be relied on to pull such a "planting" stunt off, could be trusted to keep their mouths shut. One leak or mistake and it would catch the lot of them. The Risk/Reward just doesn't make sense. It's not impossible, but to my understanding of human nature it seems improbable.

I agree with this 100%. But if I wasn't part of the investigation and seen and heard what I have then I wouldn't make the statements. And believe me I have looked at it six ways to Sunday and still can't come up with any explanation other than the conclusions that were made. Believe me I find it scary and am not one who scares easily.

715 posted on 01/21/2012 5:08:09 PM PST by GregNH (I am so ready to join a brigade of pick up trucks......)
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To: DiogenesLamp; Ladysforest

It probably took about 5-6 people, if “Koa” and the Prius Chat poster were actually the workers at the Honolulu Advertiser who pulled off the switch of the microfilms.

It would not be hard at all to replace the microfilms, and there is decent evidence of how it was actually done at the Library of Congress. The box of microfilm had its label changed for a while and then changed back to its original number. So there would have been a while when only the person who changed the index number on the box knew where it was - until they didn’t need that microfilm hidden any more and changed the index number back so it would be filed again where people could find it. Unfortunately for them, the changes on the box were done in ink so they still show. They might have changed out that box by now but ladysforest has photos of it on her blog, I believe.

And unfortunately for them, the microfilm that’s now in that box has a tear in it and other indicators that it would never have passed the quality inspection for the microfilming company it supposedly came from. It seems almost certain that it came from somebody else.

That’s one example of the kinds of physical evidence I’m talking about. I’ve got other examples on my blog - scratches disappearing over time, provably false claims by the people who claimed to have made copies of the announcements from library microfilm, etc. There’s other stuff that I haven’t gone into because the birth certificate, birth index, Sunahara, etc stuff seemed more important. And ladysforest has a lot of stuff on her blog too. She’s really done a fantastic job of researching the birth announcements.

Regarding a paper copy, the Bishop Library in Hawaii has in its list of holdings a claim that it has paper copies of the old archived newspapers from this time period. But now they’re saying they don’t have any...

Of course, we were also told the HDOH didn’t have any birth records for Virginia Sunahara, but we know how that turned out.


735 posted on 01/21/2012 7:13:54 PM PST by butterdezillion
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