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Liberals attacking Alabamian's IQs
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/26/subsidized-not-too-bright-whats-the-matter-with-alabama/ ^

Posted on 01/26/2012 8:17:00 PM PST by ladymac

My liberal "friend" who is from Alabama but now lives in San Francisco posted this link on her FB page knowing many of her friends live in Alabama. I sure would like to put her in her place, but this article made me so angry that I can't think of the right words to say. I could use the help of some good writers...we could do kind of a Cyrano De Begerac thing?? Thanks.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: alabama

1 posted on 01/26/2012 8:17:03 PM PST by ladymac
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To: ladymac

Complete BS.

2 posted on 01/26/2012 8:30:31 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: ladymac

Well we people in New Jersey get no respect

Last night on SPIKE TV “1000 WAYS TO DIE” describe one
of the soon to be deceased miscreants from New Jersey
as reflecting the state of mind as “loud, crude obnoxious”


3 posted on 01/26/2012 8:32:54 PM PST by njslim
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To: ladymac
When Erin left this state, our iq went up. She can have looney SF.
4 posted on 01/26/2012 8:38:34 PM PST by MamaB
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To: trumandogz
I suggest you "pull an Obama--Bush's fault".

---Although Alabama is a poor state, Republicans are trying hard to overcome the consequences of decades of Democrat rule. In fact, there are still quite a few Dems in our state government, though we ARE getting better, having presently and in the recent past gubernatorial elections elected a Republican. However, it is very difficult to overcome what was inherited from Democrats.

Actually, that is pretty truthful.

vaudine

5 posted on 01/26/2012 8:40:15 PM PST by vaudine
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To: ladymac

The article was unnecessarily mean-spirited, but surely you don’t believe that intelligence is distributed evenly across the population?


6 posted on 01/26/2012 8:47:49 PM PST by bornred
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To: ladymac

Huntsville, AL probably has more PHDs per square mile than just about any other city in America.


7 posted on 01/26/2012 8:56:01 PM PST by JaguarXKE
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To: trumandogz

Accept it as truthful with the following retort. The rich need to pay their fair share, Obama said so.


8 posted on 01/26/2012 9:08:06 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: JaguarXKE

You are probably right if you narrow it down to “useful” PhD’s. No French Literature or Philosophy majors there.


9 posted on 01/26/2012 9:09:56 PM PST by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: ladymac

It’s called cherry picking. Watch me do it:

2009 Educational Attainment by State:

Percent High school graduate or more for those 25 years old and over:

Alabama - 82.1

California - 80.6


10 posted on 01/26/2012 9:37:44 PM PST by ILS21R (Never give up.)
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To: ladymac

You can put her in her place by telling her you no longer care to be friends with a hurtful bigot!!! By the way, she is not your friend!!!


11 posted on 01/26/2012 10:35:02 PM PST by ontap
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To: ladymac

Yeah, but which state has produced the last three college football champions?


12 posted on 01/26/2012 10:37:35 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: ladymac

I’m guessing those numbers include funds allocated for military bases. Perhaps someone more attuned to the subject can elaborate.


13 posted on 01/26/2012 10:49:53 PM PST by BattleHymn
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To: JaguarXKE

I agree. Oh and I live in Huntsville...electrical engineer..My daughter is a computer engineer. Most all my family work in space related work or defense. Highly technical city as is most of North Alabama.


14 posted on 01/26/2012 11:29:47 PM PST by lwoodham (Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.)
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To: trumandogz

The Red States are, by and large, agricultural states. Their numbers reflect the Federal monies paid to farm interests.


15 posted on 01/27/2012 12:31:16 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: lwoodham

I have spent a great deal of time there working on defense-related programs as well (I’m an EE also).


16 posted on 01/27/2012 3:33:04 AM PST by JaguarXKE
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To: ladymac
I sure would like to put her in her place, but this article made me so angry that I can't think of the right words to say.

Ah, pardon me, but this tends to make your friend's point. Is being inarticulate an IQ thing or educational quality thing? or -- both?

And is saying this the smartest tactical move?

17 posted on 01/27/2012 4:07:13 AM PST by imardmd1
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To: imardmd1

What an incredibly stupid thing to say. Implying that she is inarticulate because she is temporarily having difficulty replying makes you the one with the low IQ. Considering what you’re going to say before saying it is the sign of an intelligent, thoughtful person.


18 posted on 01/27/2012 4:14:32 AM PST by beandog (Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand)
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To: imardmd1; ladymac
If stammering connontes low IQ, take Obaama off of his teleprompter.

To the OP: University of Alabama -- Huntsville is a highly regarded technical / engineering school.

Except for Amy Bishop, the Harvard-grad biologist who went postal after being denied tenure.

Cheers!

19 posted on 01/27/2012 4:19:47 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: dfwgator
Finally, someone who knows about priorities.

Go SEC! The NFL of college conferences.

20 posted on 01/27/2012 4:20:39 AM PST by Happy Rain ("The TSA" teaching fed thugs to oppress and the oppressed to get used to it.")
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To: dfwgator
Yeah, but which state has produced the last three college football champions?

And which state has produced the most chemists/physicists/engineers/mathematicians? How many football greats does it take to invent a communications system? an international bank? etc.

21 posted on 01/27/2012 4:21:39 AM PST by imardmd1
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To: grey_whiskers
If stammering connontes low IQ, take Obaama off of his teleprompter.

I think you mean "connotes."
Is Obaama a sheepish stammerer? can't figure out whether that spelling's accidental or intentional. If intentional, score a good one!
And I haven't seen him sitting on his teleprompter lately, eh? "Off of" -- a bit colloquial?
But if his teleprompter is taken away, what does your logic indicate? I would like to see him taken from the TP (and the mike), than the TP taken from him.
From another forum,"Stutter, in the US, can sometimes be a medical or psychological condition you are born with and be chronic, whereas stammer happens when you are upset or surprised." Don't think IQ has much to do with this. Being a poor liar does. But given a little time to think, inability to find the right words can imply both IQ and educational deficiencies, liar or not.

(Not that I'm a liberal or untaught, just like to see rational, well-spoken/written arguments made for the conservative side. Make them.)

22 posted on 01/27/2012 5:25:18 AM PST by imardmd1
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To: beandog
What an incredibly stupid thing to say.

Is it? Call me "unfeeling" but not illogical.

Implying that she is inarticulate because she is temporarily having difficulty replying makes you the one with the low IQ.

Oh? She was not "temporarily" inarticulate -- That's long-term. If educational, curable -- if IQ, permanent.

Considering what you’re going to say before saying it is the sign of an intelligent, thoughtful person.

I did, and you didn't. You make my point for me. Thanks!

23 posted on 01/27/2012 5:43:21 AM PST by imardmd1
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To: ladymac

Businesses are not pulling out of Alabama.

But their unemployment rate has dropped 17% in only 5 months since the new anti-illegal law.


24 posted on 01/27/2012 5:52:12 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: imardmd1

In regards to the chart above, which state has a higher percentage of black Obama voters ? Alabama or Massachusetts?
could that have any bearing on the perceived IQ differential
between the two states? Also, was the cost of the “big dig” included in the tax figure from Massachusetts? Just asking.


25 posted on 01/27/2012 6:12:04 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: grey_whiskers
Except for Amy Bishop, the Harvard-grad biologist who went postal after being denied tenure.

Yes, it was so wise of the University of Alabama to hire this woman involved in the shotgunning of her brother, pipe-bombing of her Boston Hospital lab supervisor, and guilty of physical assault of a restaurant customer, all in Massachusetts. This was a brilliant decision of the Alabama university system. /s

26 posted on 01/27/2012 6:21:28 AM PST by imardmd1
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To: antisocial
could that have any bearing on the perceived IQ differential

Dunno. Does Alabama have a lot of Irish? /s

27 posted on 01/27/2012 6:24:58 AM PST by imardmd1
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To: trumandogz

The “blue” states tend to be the higher-cost-of-living states due to rampant state government regulation and spending (plus they tend to contain more urban centers). The way the progressive tax system works, living in a high-cost-of-living state disproportionally increases your effective tax rate for the same standard of living as a low-cost-of-living state.


28 posted on 01/27/2012 6:26:13 AM PST by kevkrom (Note to self: proofread, then post. It's better that way.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Businesses are not pulling out of Alabama.

But their unemployment rate has dropped 17% in only 5 months since the new anti-illegal law.

Excellent point! Wonder what this would do to California?

29 posted on 01/27/2012 6:28:25 AM PST by imardmd1
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To: JaguarXKE

Unfortunately, not quite. I just compared Huntsville to the first town in MA that came to mind, Amherst:

http://www.city-data.com/city/Huntsville-Alabama.html

http://www.clrsearch.com/Amherst_Demographics/MA/Education-Level-and-Enrollment-Statistics

As a percent of the population over age 25 with some sort of graduate degree, Huntsville clocks in at 12.7%, the entire MA state average is almost 14.6%, and in Amherst it is 45.54%—or more than 3 1/2 times the rate in Huntsville.

With an entire nationwide rate of 9.84%, however, Huntsville does come in just over the national average.


30 posted on 01/27/2012 6:34:03 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Oh good grief! First, I was making a point in response to a post about liberals disparaging the intelligence of Alabama. Second, it would be interesting to see how the PHDs in the two locations break out in terms of subject matter. Most of the PHDs I personally know in Huntsville hold PHDs in something useful, like Physics, or other hard sciences. I wonder how many of the PHDs in Amherst are in hard sciences or engineering. But thanks for taking the time to set the record straight LOL!


31 posted on 01/27/2012 6:49:17 AM PST by JaguarXKE
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To: JaguarXKE

Hey, Huntsville, as you well know, is a major center for engineering and research.

It is not exactly a conservative virtue to claim discrimination and bias, however, when as the source article to the original posting of this thread simply cited population-wide statistical differences.

I actually think it was an interesting bit of info. The usual thing is for Southerners to disavow differences in academic scores between states because of the different racial composition of the states. This suggests that that is not the whole picture.


32 posted on 01/27/2012 6:56:33 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: imardmd1

Articulation is not a measuer of intelligence. To the contrary, many people with high IQs are socially and verbally awkward. Likewise, many people who are articulate lack intelligence (Obama). I do not have to defend my IQ to you. I didn’t come here to argue. I came here for help from my fellow conservatives. And I do appreciate help and contructive criticism, but not from smart-asses like yourself.


33 posted on 01/27/2012 9:30:59 AM PST by ladymac
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To: 9YearLurker

Yeah, ok.


34 posted on 01/27/2012 11:14:13 AM PST by JaguarXKE
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To: imardmd1
I think you mean "connotes." Is Obaama a sheepish stammerer? can't figure out whether that spelling's accidental or intentional. If intentional, score a good one!

4 AM postings do that to me. I usually don't bother with anything more than the most cursory proofreading.

And I haven't seen him sitting on his teleprompter lately, eh? "Off of" -- a bit colloquial?

If you think of it as an addiction of his, or in the sense of "off one's meds" -- then not so much.

But if his teleprompter is taken away, what does your logic indicate? I would like to see him taken from the TP (and the mike), than the TP taken from him. From another forum,"Stutter, in the US, can sometimes be a medical or psychological condition you are born with and be chronic, whereas stammer happens when you are upset or surprised." Don't think IQ has much to do with this. Being a poor liar does. But given a little time to think, inability to find the right words can imply both IQ and educational deficiencies, liar or not.

Yeah, I know all about that: but you can find the early YouTube clips of him during the campaign saying crap like "Wait a second -- I can't hear myself" and talking about someone with asthma on a breathalyzer.

This is not indicative of a high IQ. Bolstered by the circumstance that he was editor of the Harvard Law Review and yet apparently has not written articles to show for it; his grades, LSTAT, and other scores are hidden (cf Rick Perry, George Bush, and John Kerry's grades coming ou); and the infamous using teleprompters to speak before a grade-school audience.

(Not that I'm a liberal or untaught, just like to see rational, well-spoken/written arguments made for the conservative side. Make them.)

With Obaama, it's a waste of time.

Cheers!

35 posted on 01/27/2012 9:41:22 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: ladymac
I sure would like to put her in her place, but this article made me so angry that I can't think of the right words to say. I could use the help of some good writers..

Your words from your initial post (above) prove:
(1) your preferred mode of response is attempt to humiliate;
(2) your response to challenges to your local loyalties is to lose your temper;
(3) your reaction is to admit, at least temporarily, your rage causes you to lose ability to think or respond appropriately;
(4) you'd like to manipulate others to take up the offenses to your dignity on your behalf by demeaning that of your "friend" in a way that you can't; and
(5) you can't or don't want to think about what you had written.
Remember, this is not a criticism or an attack, it is just an observation of what you wrote above.

Then you wrote to me:

Articulation is not a measuer of intelligence.

Well, it is, in fact, to a great degree. It also includes grasp of vocabulary, grammar, logic, and "social quotient" -- all tools of the effective writer -- as is a knowledge of the audience. Without intelligence communication falls apart.

To the contrary, many people with high IQs are socially and verbally awkward.

Is this how you characterize intelligent people, or only intellectuals? Are you including yourself in this group? You know, those afflicted with lesser gifts often demonstrate the same awkwardnesses. What is your point?

Likewise, many people who are articulate lack intelligence (Obama).

Not generally true. Sounds like relying on a statement of personal opinion without documentation, as an appeal to authority. This would rate an F in debate. Regarding dislike of Mr. Obama, it would be a capital error to underestimate his shrewdness.

I do not have to defend my IQ to you.

Never asked you to -- only suggested you think calmly and critically. You will display your own "IQ" by your own words. If you really had a valid argument against your "friend's" hypothesis, you wouldn't need a bigger hammer to drive your point home.

I didn’t come here to argue.

No, you came to enroll someone(s) who would do your arguing for you. But you took offense when your motive and premise came under question, rightfully.

I came here for help from my fellow conservatives. And I do appreciate help and contructive criticism,...

This is help, if you could recognize it. However, that requires a humble response, not arrogance and rage. But I guess rhe "help" you wanted was getting someone to side with you against your "friend," not finding a convincing argument nor conciliatory attitude of your own. How much do you love your "friend?"

...but not from smart-asses like yourself.

As an observation, my experience of individuals with incompleted personal development and limited vocabulary is their response to frustrating situations with rage and cursing, when cool thought and self-control are needed but beyond them.

Can you prove that Alabama culture is not inferior to, say, Massachusetts or California? If so, go to it!

With sincere concern --- I'll accept your apology after you carefully think this through. Until then --

36 posted on 01/27/2012 9:58:28 PM PST by imardmd1 (cogito ergo sum)
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To: imardmd1
Can you prove that Alabama culture is not inferior to, say, Massachusetts or California? If so, go to it!

Don't the liberals sententiously inform us (under the rubric of "multiculturalism") that all cultures are equal?

If so, why do so many liberals avoid Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and other Southern states?

They contradict their claims by their own lives.

Secondly -- define "inferior": what is the yardstick? Average household income? Incidence of chlamydia per 1,000 women between the ages of 13 and 50? Percentage of adults above age 18 with a college degree or higher? Number of major league sports franchises?

In order to avoid spurious claims one is supposed to start with the null hypothesis: which in this case is supposed to be that all states are of equal quality. One might just as well ask someone who holds the superiority of California, to prove its superiority, rather than taking it as axiomatic (petitio principii.)

Incidentally -- regarding your response to the prior poster...no such things are proved as you asserted.

As a counterexample, consider the following anecdote from the now-defunct Games magazine, from memory:

A passenger train is going through some pastures and the passengers look out the window and see a brown cow.

1st passenger: Look! All cows are brown.

2nd passenger (college student): No, all cows in this country are brown.

3rd passenger (college graduate): No, all cows on this side of the train are brown.

4th passenger (Mensa member: No, all cows on this side of the train are brown on at least one side.

5th passenger (Games magazine reader): (triumphantly) No, all cows on this side of the train are brown on at least one side at least part of the time.

You overstated the living sh*t out of your case, dude.

Instead of prove you should have said may indicate.

Cheers!

37 posted on 01/27/2012 10:24:21 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: imardmd1
Can you prove that Alabama culture is not inferior to, say, Massachusetts or California? If so, go to it!

Don't the liberals sententiously inform us (under the rubric of "multiculturalism") that all cultures are equal?

If so, why do so many liberals avoid Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and other Southern states?

They contradict their claims by their own lives.

Secondly -- define "inferior": what is the yardstick? Average household income? Incidence of chlamydia per 1,000 women between the ages of 13 and 50? Percentage of adults above age 18 with a college degree or higher? Number of major league sports franchises?

In order to avoid spurious claims one is supposed to start with the null hypothesis: which in this case is supposed to be that all states are of equal quality. One might just as well ask someone who holds the superiority of California, to prove its superiority, rather than taking it as axiomatic (petitio principii.)

Incidentally -- regarding your response to the prior poster...no such things are proved as you asserted.

As a counterexample, consider the following anecdote from the now-defunct Games magazine, from memory:

A passenger train is going through some pastures and the passengers look out the window and see a brown cow.

1st passenger: Look! All cows are brown.

2nd passenger (college student): No, all cows in this country are brown.

3rd passenger (college graduate): No, all cows on this side of the train are brown.

4th passenger (Mensa member: No, all cows on this side of the train are brown on at least one side.

5th passenger (Games magazine reader): (triumphantly) No, all cows on this side of the train are brown on at least one side at least part of the time.

You overstated the living sh*t out of your case, dude.

Instead of prove you should have said may indicate.

Cheers!

38 posted on 01/27/2012 10:26:06 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: imardmd1
In a certain Monty Pythonesque light, it was a brilliant decision by the University of Alabama system.

Recall that one of the oft-cited strengths of the scientific method is the ability, if not the unspoken requirement, to revisit old results to confirm them, providing a kind of institutional "auto-correct" mechanism.

Amy Bishop was eliminated from the faculty during the tenure review process; it is unfortunate and ironic that during the same event, she herself eliminated several other people from the University with a firearm (cf "You're fired").

Cheers!

39 posted on 01/27/2012 10:31:19 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: njslim
Well we people in New Jersey get no respect

Y'all elected Jon Corzine, didn't you?

He's lower than Bernie Madoff — at least Madoff's clients had good reason to know they were into something too good to be true.

40 posted on 01/27/2012 10:39:40 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: grey_whiskers
Incidentally -- regarding your response to the prior poster...no such things are proved as you asserted.

Ah, I am trying to figure out which things you think I asserted, so we can be addressing the same points.

One assertion was that the original poster was trying to manipulate the FR system into "putting her 'friend' into her place,". Her words proved that -- I just restated them. Her approach of using FR associations to humiliate someone didn't seem to me to be a very high motive for her post. Is this the assertion you mean?

Did I miss making it clear that I was taking no position on the merits for or against her beloved home state? Not making an assertion there, but from a neutral position suggesting an avenue for her, I asked the question:

"Can you prove that Alabama culture is not inferior to, say, Massachusetts or California? If so, go to it!"

If she could, she would then have the answer to her predicament (without asking an FR participant from, say, Massachusetts, to help her (smile)).

You overstated the living sh*t out of your case, dude.
Instead of
prove you should have said may indicate.

I certainly was not stating any case or making any assertion with that question. To think so would be reading something between the lines that is not there. In this, "prove" or "indicate" are irrelevant. To this, I don't see how your logic exercise applies.

But one assertion I was intending is that intelligence, education, and social maturity are correlated to speaking clearly, readily, and effectively. My initial response was that the originator, as an Alabaman, was in effect by her approach tending to support the conclusions of her opposition rather than vice versa! (A reader may have the perception that inarticulateness may indicate a lesser intelligence and or education level)

********

Appreciate your posts to this, but could I please ask you to tell me what you assume I was asserting that you thought I overstated??

41 posted on 01/28/2012 11:53:07 AM PST by imardmd1 (cogito ergo sum)
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