Posted on 01/26/2012 8:17:00 PM PST by ladymac
My liberal "friend" who is from Alabama but now lives in San Francisco posted this link on her FB page knowing many of her friends live in Alabama. I sure would like to put her in her place, but this article made me so angry that I can't think of the right words to say. I could use the help of some good writers...we could do kind of a Cyrano De Begerac thing?? Thanks.
And which state has produced the most chemists/physicists/engineers/mathematicians? How many football greats does it take to invent a communications system? an international bank? etc.
I think you mean "connotes."
Is Obaama a sheepish stammerer? can't figure out whether that spelling's accidental or intentional. If intentional, score a good one!
And I haven't seen him sitting on his teleprompter lately, eh? "Off of" -- a bit colloquial?
But if his teleprompter is taken away, what does your logic indicate? I would like to see him taken from the TP (and the mike), than the TP taken from him.
From another forum,"Stutter, in the US, can sometimes be a medical or psychological condition you are born with and be chronic, whereas stammer happens when you are upset or surprised." Don't think IQ has much to do with this. Being a poor liar does. But given a little time to think, inability to find the right words can imply both IQ and educational deficiencies, liar or not.
(Not that I'm a liberal or untaught, just like to see rational, well-spoken/written arguments made for the conservative side. Make them.)
Is it? Call me "unfeeling" but not illogical.
Implying that she is inarticulate because she is temporarily having difficulty replying makes you the one with the low IQ.
Oh? She was not "temporarily" inarticulate -- That's long-term. If educational, curable -- if IQ, permanent.
Considering what you’re going to say before saying it is the sign of an intelligent, thoughtful person.
I did, and you didn't. You make my point for me. Thanks!
Businesses are not pulling out of Alabama.
But their unemployment rate has dropped 17% in only 5 months since the new anti-illegal law.
In regards to the chart above, which state has a higher percentage of black Obama voters ? Alabama or Massachusetts?
could that have any bearing on the perceived IQ differential
between the two states? Also, was the cost of the “big dig” included in the tax figure from Massachusetts? Just asking.
Yes, it was so wise of the University of Alabama to hire this woman involved in the shotgunning of her brother, pipe-bombing of her Boston Hospital lab supervisor, and guilty of physical assault of a restaurant customer, all in Massachusetts. This was a brilliant decision of the Alabama university system. /s
Dunno. Does Alabama have a lot of Irish? /s
The “blue” states tend to be the higher-cost-of-living states due to rampant state government regulation and spending (plus they tend to contain more urban centers). The way the progressive tax system works, living in a high-cost-of-living state disproportionally increases your effective tax rate for the same standard of living as a low-cost-of-living state.
But their unemployment rate has dropped 17% in only 5 months since the new anti-illegal law.
Excellent point! Wonder what this would do to California?
Unfortunately, not quite. I just compared Huntsville to the first town in MA that came to mind, Amherst:
http://www.city-data.com/city/Huntsville-Alabama.html
http://www.clrsearch.com/Amherst_Demographics/MA/Education-Level-and-Enrollment-Statistics
As a percent of the population over age 25 with some sort of graduate degree, Huntsville clocks in at 12.7%, the entire MA state average is almost 14.6%, and in Amherst it is 45.54%—or more than 3 1/2 times the rate in Huntsville.
With an entire nationwide rate of 9.84%, however, Huntsville does come in just over the national average.
Oh good grief! First, I was making a point in response to a post about liberals disparaging the intelligence of Alabama. Second, it would be interesting to see how the PHDs in the two locations break out in terms of subject matter. Most of the PHDs I personally know in Huntsville hold PHDs in something useful, like Physics, or other hard sciences. I wonder how many of the PHDs in Amherst are in hard sciences or engineering. But thanks for taking the time to set the record straight LOL!
Hey, Huntsville, as you well know, is a major center for engineering and research.
It is not exactly a conservative virtue to claim discrimination and bias, however, when as the source article to the original posting of this thread simply cited population-wide statistical differences.
I actually think it was an interesting bit of info. The usual thing is for Southerners to disavow differences in academic scores between states because of the different racial composition of the states. This suggests that that is not the whole picture.
Articulation is not a measuer of intelligence. To the contrary, many people with high IQs are socially and verbally awkward. Likewise, many people who are articulate lack intelligence (Obama). I do not have to defend my IQ to you. I didn’t come here to argue. I came here for help from my fellow conservatives. And I do appreciate help and contructive criticism, but not from smart-asses like yourself.
Yeah, ok.
4 AM postings do that to me. I usually don't bother with anything more than the most cursory proofreading.
And I haven't seen him sitting on his teleprompter lately, eh? "Off of" -- a bit colloquial?
If you think of it as an addiction of his, or in the sense of "off one's meds" -- then not so much.
But if his teleprompter is taken away, what does your logic indicate? I would like to see him taken from the TP (and the mike), than the TP taken from him. From another forum,"Stutter, in the US, can sometimes be a medical or psychological condition you are born with and be chronic, whereas stammer happens when you are upset or surprised." Don't think IQ has much to do with this. Being a poor liar does. But given a little time to think, inability to find the right words can imply both IQ and educational deficiencies, liar or not.
Yeah, I know all about that: but you can find the early YouTube clips of him during the campaign saying crap like "Wait a second -- I can't hear myself" and talking about someone with asthma on a breathalyzer.
This is not indicative of a high IQ. Bolstered by the circumstance that he was editor of the Harvard Law Review and yet apparently has not written articles to show for it; his grades, LSTAT, and other scores are hidden (cf Rick Perry, George Bush, and John Kerry's grades coming ou); and the infamous using teleprompters to speak before a grade-school audience.
(Not that I'm a liberal or untaught, just like to see rational, well-spoken/written arguments made for the conservative side. Make them.)
With Obaama, it's a waste of time.
Cheers!
Your words from your initial post (above) prove:
(1) your preferred mode of response is attempt to humiliate;
(2) your response to challenges to your local loyalties is to lose your temper;
(3) your reaction is to admit, at least temporarily, your rage causes you to lose ability to think or respond appropriately;
(4) you'd like to manipulate others to take up the offenses to your dignity on your behalf by demeaning that of your "friend" in a way that you can't; and
(5) you can't or don't want to think about what you had written.
Remember, this is not a criticism or an attack, it is just an observation of what you wrote above.
Then you wrote to me:
Articulation is not a measuer of intelligence.
Well, it is, in fact, to a great degree. It also includes grasp of vocabulary, grammar, logic, and "social quotient" -- all tools of the effective writer -- as is a knowledge of the audience. Without intelligence communication falls apart.
To the contrary, many people with high IQs are socially and verbally awkward.
Is this how you characterize intelligent people, or only intellectuals? Are you including yourself in this group? You know, those afflicted with lesser gifts often demonstrate the same awkwardnesses. What is your point?
Likewise, many people who are articulate lack intelligence (Obama).
Not generally true. Sounds like relying on a statement of personal opinion without documentation, as an appeal to authority. This would rate an F in debate. Regarding dislike of Mr. Obama, it would be a capital error to underestimate his shrewdness.
I do not have to defend my IQ to you.
Never asked you to -- only suggested you think calmly and critically. You will display your own "IQ" by your own words. If you really had a valid argument against your "friend's" hypothesis, you wouldn't need a bigger hammer to drive your point home.
I didn’t come here to argue.
No, you came to enroll someone(s) who would do your arguing for you. But you took offense when your motive and premise came under question, rightfully.
I came here for help from my fellow conservatives. And I do appreciate help and contructive criticism,...
This is help, if you could recognize it. However, that requires a humble response, not arrogance and rage. But I guess rhe "help" you wanted was getting someone to side with you against your "friend," not finding a convincing argument nor conciliatory attitude of your own. How much do you love your "friend?"
...but not from smart-asses like yourself.
As an observation, my experience of individuals with incompleted personal development and limited vocabulary is their response to frustrating situations with rage and cursing, when cool thought and self-control are needed but beyond them.
Can you prove that Alabama culture is not inferior to, say, Massachusetts or California? If so, go to it!
With sincere concern --- I'll accept your apology after you carefully think this through. Until then --
Don't the liberals sententiously inform us (under the rubric of "multiculturalism") that all cultures are equal?
If so, why do so many liberals avoid Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and other Southern states?
They contradict their claims by their own lives.
Secondly -- define "inferior": what is the yardstick? Average household income? Incidence of chlamydia per 1,000 women between the ages of 13 and 50? Percentage of adults above age 18 with a college degree or higher? Number of major league sports franchises?
In order to avoid spurious claims one is supposed to start with the null hypothesis: which in this case is supposed to be that all states are of equal quality. One might just as well ask someone who holds the superiority of California, to prove its superiority, rather than taking it as axiomatic (petitio principii.)
Incidentally -- regarding your response to the prior poster...no such things are proved as you asserted.
As a counterexample, consider the following anecdote from the now-defunct Games magazine, from memory:
A passenger train is going through some pastures and the passengers look out the window and see a brown cow.
1st passenger: Look! All cows are brown.
2nd passenger (college student): No, all cows in this country are brown.
3rd passenger (college graduate): No, all cows on this side of the train are brown.
4th passenger (Mensa member: No, all cows on this side of the train are brown on at least one side.
5th passenger (Games magazine reader): (triumphantly) No, all cows on this side of the train are brown on at least one side at least part of the time.
You overstated the living sh*t out of your case, dude.
Instead of prove you should have said may indicate.
Cheers!
Don't the liberals sententiously inform us (under the rubric of "multiculturalism") that all cultures are equal?
If so, why do so many liberals avoid Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, and other Southern states?
They contradict their claims by their own lives.
Secondly -- define "inferior": what is the yardstick? Average household income? Incidence of chlamydia per 1,000 women between the ages of 13 and 50? Percentage of adults above age 18 with a college degree or higher? Number of major league sports franchises?
In order to avoid spurious claims one is supposed to start with the null hypothesis: which in this case is supposed to be that all states are of equal quality. One might just as well ask someone who holds the superiority of California, to prove its superiority, rather than taking it as axiomatic (petitio principii.)
Incidentally -- regarding your response to the prior poster...no such things are proved as you asserted.
As a counterexample, consider the following anecdote from the now-defunct Games magazine, from memory:
A passenger train is going through some pastures and the passengers look out the window and see a brown cow.
1st passenger: Look! All cows are brown.
2nd passenger (college student): No, all cows in this country are brown.
3rd passenger (college graduate): No, all cows on this side of the train are brown.
4th passenger (Mensa member: No, all cows on this side of the train are brown on at least one side.
5th passenger (Games magazine reader): (triumphantly) No, all cows on this side of the train are brown on at least one side at least part of the time.
You overstated the living sh*t out of your case, dude.
Instead of prove you should have said may indicate.
Cheers!
Recall that one of the oft-cited strengths of the scientific method is the ability, if not the unspoken requirement, to revisit old results to confirm them, providing a kind of institutional "auto-correct" mechanism.
Amy Bishop was eliminated from the faculty during the tenure review process; it is unfortunate and ironic that during the same event, she herself eliminated several other people from the University with a firearm (cf "You're fired").
Cheers!
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He's lower than Bernie Madoff — at least Madoff's clients had good reason to know they were into something too good to be true.
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