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SHTF Planning: 20 Lessons from the Streets of Cairo
SHTF Plan ^ | 2/1/12 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 02/01/2012 9:18:43 PM PST by Kartographer

From the somewhat guilt filled comforts of Greece, I have been thinking about what I learned from the recent Cairo SHTF experience. I am not putting myself forth as an expert of any sort and, frankly, many or even most items on the list below might be flat out wrong….who the hell knows. We were in Cairo from Jan 25th until late Feb 3rd when the neighborhood gunfire became full-auto and regularly occurring. At that point, we decided that Friday prayers (the next day) might not yield a pleasant experience. We had no way of knowing that we had already seen the worst.

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KEYWORDS: arabspring; cairo; egypt; emergencyprep; preparedness; preppers
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Prepper’s Ping!

As with Selco post on his experiences during SHTF here is anothers.


2 posted on 02/01/2012 9:21:45 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Shouldn’t Number ONE be “GET THE HELL OUT OF EGYPT BEFORE TSHTF!”


3 posted on 02/01/2012 9:41:45 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: Kartographer

Interesting thoughts on the psychology of survival and its effect on our relationships. I hadn’t thought about that much. Thanks for the post.


4 posted on 02/01/2012 9:42:06 PM PST by Melian ("Where will wants not, a way opens.")
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To: Kickass Conservative

I do wonder if the guy doesn’t like living on the edge, because he is after all living in Greece now.


5 posted on 02/01/2012 9:43:44 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Melian

You may like to read some of Selco’s (Bosnia war survivor) post here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2798007/posts


6 posted on 02/01/2012 9:47:32 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Good read. Thanks. Gonna be nicer to the neighbors. We don’t get along too well.


7 posted on 02/01/2012 9:48:08 PM PST by FishinTX (Annoy liberals, VOTE NEWT.)
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To: FishinTX

I like to think it’s my neighbors that don’t get along with me! ;-)


8 posted on 02/01/2012 9:49:13 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I know what he feels like, I live in California.


9 posted on 02/01/2012 9:50:29 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: Kickass Conservative

I live in Eastern California (New Mexico). ;-)


10 posted on 02/01/2012 9:51:45 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

You have a Governor, we have a Recycled Moonbeam.

The only saving grace is that we live in South Orange County. Most people here are sane.


12 posted on 02/01/2012 9:57:15 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: Kickass Conservative

True, but the State Legislatures are almost interchangeable!


13 posted on 02/01/2012 9:59:44 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ansel12

What? You mean the “S” in SHTF doesn’t stand for Souffle?

Color me embarrassed.


14 posted on 02/01/2012 10:04:44 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: ansel12

I am trying to arm people with pertinent useful information that may keep them and their families ALIVE and safe. The vernacular is common among and is used regular by those most knowledgeable about the subject of survival. I don’t condone the language, but I do want to pass on the knowledge.

I have to ask since you know that that term regularly comes up in these threads why would you insist on exposing yourself to it if you find it so distasteful?


15 posted on 02/01/2012 10:09:11 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: AngieGal

PING


16 posted on 02/01/2012 10:09:15 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Kartographer

Really? I thought our nutty Politicians couldn’t be beat, although they should be.


17 posted on 02/01/2012 10:11:09 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: Kickass Conservative

The ‘Dim-o-rats’ in our legislature insist on allowing illegals, of every stripe, potential terrorist, drug runners and other assorted no-goods, low lifes and criminals the ability to get themselves a New Mexico Drivers Licenses!


18 posted on 02/01/2012 10:14:59 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

So you’re trying to catch up with us huh?

WE’RE NUMBER ONE!
WE’RE NUMBER ONE!
WE’RE NUMBER ONE!
WE’RE NUM...
Hey, wait a minute. LOL


19 posted on 02/01/2012 10:18:02 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: Kartographer

I go way back in survivalism, way back and was very glad to see the word prepper start getting used, because it was more mainstream and makes it easier to email articles to my friends and family who used to have a bad image of being a survivalist.

I can’t send these people articles on the “shit” movement, I don’t even want to wade through a lot of reading that has me mentally forming the words that you use.

Do we copy off this stuff and let our kids read it?

Why foul up something for no reason, why make the effort to get dirty, is this hip now?

There is no reason to go adolescent like, and left wing like in the survivalist movement.


20 posted on 02/01/2012 10:23:06 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Kartographer

Our cows shared his and our land, when my cows got pregnant by his bull he sent me a bill saying my cows ate his hay and that I owed him $400, or I have to give him a calf.
He got nothing. Tried to work out some kind of deal but he said no to everything. The calves are mine and he’s pissed. His way or the highway, oh well.


21 posted on 02/01/2012 10:28:48 PM PST by FishinTX (Annoy liberals, VOTE NEWT.)
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To: Kartographer

mark


22 posted on 02/01/2012 11:34:40 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: Kartographer

http://youtu.be/k051rbF85l4 Panic in Year Zero (1962) Must see SHTF film for the family. Starring and directed by Ray Milland.

Dated film, but still has some important lessons relevant for a current emergency scenario.


23 posted on 02/02/2012 12:28:41 AM PST by wolficatZ (:"TV is king, you're my everything..")
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To: Kickass Conservative
Shouldn’t Number ONE be “GET THE HELL OUT OF EGYPT BEFORE TSHTF!”

No. Number ONE should be the absolutely sure-fire method: "Don't EVER go to Egypt."

24 posted on 02/02/2012 12:42:25 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The GOP: Hurtling down the road to join the Whigs, a hundred miles an hour on the Romney Express!)
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To: Kartographer

Bttt...


25 posted on 02/02/2012 1:02:57 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: ansel12
"...conservatives start...to mainstream the word sh*t into our daily culture..."

I worked hard to drop the foul language I used to use - I normally say "stuff" instead of "sh*t".
(I suprised a customer in Aberdeen the other day when I used the word "damn" in a phone conversation - he said it was the first time he ever heard me use foul language...!)

26 posted on 02/02/2012 4:11:51 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Kartographer

I can testify to the points about neighbors. I posted during the London riots about neighbors banding together to look out for their own.


27 posted on 02/02/2012 4:18:44 AM PST by EnglishCon
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To: EternalVigilance

Yeah, unless you’re embassy staff,
why the h% would a white American guy be doing in
ANY Arab/Muslim country?


28 posted on 02/02/2012 5:44:59 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ansel12

The solution for you is simple: Just don’t read the articles. I ask you again why would you read something that has content that you know you will find offensive and then complain about it?

Me I take the view that my Pastor takes. He tells that many a time he has saved a person that has lead a rough and un-Christian life and after they come forward to alter call or after a Baptism he has asked them how do you feel? And more than a few times the answer has come back: “I feel Da#$ GOOD!” He still counts them as a win, though obviously still diamonds in the rough.


29 posted on 02/02/2012 6:33:40 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Excellent post, Kart. Thank you.


30 posted on 02/02/2012 6:38:38 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Kickass Conservative
Shouldn’t Number ONE be “GET THE HELL OUT OF EGYPT BEFORE TSHTF!”

The problem (see his points #3 and #5) is when TSHTF before you notice that it's about to hit the fan. Lot's of people didn't expect the Rodney King riots in LA, or the Crown Heights riots in Brooklyn until they actually happened, and then it's kinda late. Also, TSHTF as a result of natural events leaving little or no time to prepare or evacuate ahead of time.

31 posted on 02/02/2012 7:17:47 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (I'd agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.)
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To: Lurker

Thanks Lurker. To bad others didn’t think so.


32 posted on 02/02/2012 8:11:23 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: FishinTX

To be fair, you should try to his bull pregnant


33 posted on 02/02/2012 9:27:53 AM PST by vwbug
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To: FishinTX

To be fair, you should try to get his bull pregnant


34 posted on 02/02/2012 9:28:17 AM PST by vwbug
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To: vwbug

LOL


35 posted on 02/02/2012 9:30:11 AM PST by FishinTX (Annoy liberals, VOTE NEWT.)
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To: Kartographer

The solution for you is very easy, write like an adult, to adults.

The adult thing for you to do is to quit trying to dirty up the language like an insecure teenager or a good liberal .

You also can lay off telling freepers to stay off your thread.

There is absolutely no reason to deliberately dirty up your writings, our lives, to deliberately introduce filthy language, the survivalist movement got along fine without it for many decades. We didn’t have to wade through this in the 1960s, 1970s, and the 1980s of our survivalist movement.

It isn’t hip, or sophisticated, it is childish, and beneath grown ups.


36 posted on 02/02/2012 10:39:40 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Psalm 73

Thanks for the support, suddenly even our conservative survivalist movement is being contaminated with, even saturated with (look at post #1) liberal corrosive language, that the young have been indoctrinated with.


37 posted on 02/02/2012 10:48:03 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12; Kartographer
Thanks for the support, suddenly even our conservative survivalist movement is being contaminated with, even saturated with (look at post #1) liberal corrosive language, that the young have been indoctrinated with.

You're the one on this thread that keeps spelling out the whole word.

What do you think this site's owner means when he types FUBO or FUMR? Huh?

38 posted on 02/02/2012 11:18:37 AM PST by houeto (Mitt Romney - A Whiter Shade of FAIL © - tomkat)
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To: Kartographer

thanks ,,,, I pickup little bit and piece of info. from these postings ,,,The language doesn’t offend me ,,I just read around them, all of us let a word slip sometimes ,


39 posted on 02/02/2012 11:23:51 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: ansel12

So I am suppost to edit the articles I am posting? I don’t write them.I just post the link so that people that are interested can read and get the knowledge from them.

I say the adult thing for you to do is to NOT read the post.


40 posted on 02/02/2012 11:24:55 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ansel12
"The solution for you is very easy, write like an adult, to adults.'

You do relize that I do not wirte these articles? Nor do I name other peoples Blog/websites and so forth.
41 posted on 02/02/2012 11:29:31 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Outstanding article, and thanks for posting. I was an ex-pat for a decade and I have to concur, there is nothing like being a part of a local community, and yeah, sometimes it's a premium to be the big goofy American - even if it's embarrassing when you screw up you'd be surprised how forgiving people are for simply trying. Sometimes learning where that never-used back alley is can save your butt. Fixing a kid's bicycle one time saved mine. You really never know.
42 posted on 02/02/2012 11:57:55 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Kartographer

I only see your work. Saying that you are only dispersing and promoting someone else’s work, is a cop out, you are are the one bringing it here.

You also fight harshly in defense of the language, to the point of repeatedly telling me not to read your thread.

The adult thing for you to do, is to act as an adult, you are only hurting and marginalizing the survivalist movement, and setting back our gains over the decades of trying to earn a positive, mainstream image, and I never thought that the serious adults that used to make up our movement would start being overtaken by childish, trash talking, hipsters sounding like teens or TV writers trying to work in as much cussing as they can get away with before middle America boycotts them.

When you see such badly written articles, email the guy, tell him what you do with the articles that you find, how you like to introduce them to a wider audience, and that you can’t uses material written in such a childish, disgusting manner.

At least not to conservatives, and families, and suburban types, and all the other type people who are looking for sober, effective, adult writings that they can make hard copies of and put into the family preparedness album.


43 posted on 02/02/2012 12:11:40 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: houeto

Seeing cussing as an occasional emphatic exclamation is one thing, but when it becomes the name of the survival movement and is used like it is in post #1 then it is overtaking something at least a half century old and making it coarse and ugly, and less acessible.

Why? Why would conservatives suddenly want to change preparedness, to the “ Shit “ movement.
Read post one, since when did conservatives start fighting to formalize that language, to insist on driving it into our daily culture, into our family conversations, as normal writing?

The survivalist movement, the prepper movement, is normal, everyday, family business, for all ages, the writings need to be put into the family preparedness folders and binders, it isn’t as though it is private adult conversations in private, in a back room, talking about porn, or hookers.


44 posted on 02/02/2012 12:21:30 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12

The adult thing for me to do is to ignore your post, which I will do from now on. If you have a problem with my post take it to Jim or the Moderators.


45 posted on 02/02/2012 12:27:32 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

To all who are concerned over terms used in the prepper community:

SHTF is part of the language of the prepper community.
You can read it as “stuff” if it suits you, or if you just can’t get over that some people read it/say it differently, maybe you can just avoid prepper threads.

We all know that as preppers, we have to put up with crossing paths with folks we’d prefer not to have over for supper, from the hardcore Rambos to the hemp-sandled hippies. We don’t try to change them. We get the info or supplies we need and move on.


46 posted on 02/02/2012 12:38:44 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ansel12

“When did conservatives start pushing to name movements and themselves to mainstream the word shit into our daily culture?”

About the same time you thought it was polite to use it in a post about such things.


47 posted on 02/02/2012 12:44:18 PM PST by CodeToad (NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!)
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To: ansel12

“I can’t send these people articles on the “shit” movement, “

That’s twice now you’ve used the word. Sure seems like you have no problems using it or using it on a forum other people’s families and children read.

Why the fuss? Did you simply wake up on the wrong side of the bed?


48 posted on 02/02/2012 12:47:17 PM PST by CodeToad (NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!)
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To: Kartographer

I think the way it works is, when I want to respond to someone who creates a thread, I post to them.


49 posted on 02/02/2012 12:48:28 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

I know what he feels like, I live in California.

Me too, I live in Greater New Orleans.


50 posted on 02/02/2012 12:48:28 PM PST by Bitsy
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