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Marijuana Myths
TheCollegeConservative ^ | 02/03/2012 | Alan Groves

Posted on 02/03/2012 10:57:07 AM PST by gabriellah

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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Check out Norquist’s ties with Islam.

My point is just that it’s questionable to list Norquist as a conservative now. I know that there are conservatives who support legalization, such as William F. Buckley, who was accused of not being conservative earlier on in this thread.


301 posted on 02/03/2012 9:53:13 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: longtermmemmory
just imagine how many people will die due to some pot head stoned and driving.

Yeah, they drive so slow, people run in to them.

302 posted on 02/03/2012 9:56:15 PM PST by carenot (We'd rather hold on to the myth than fight for the reality)
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To: KEVLAR

No, I didn’t have my child run over by a stoned driver, but someone has had that happen to them. Somebody has gotten stoned out of their mind and driven their motorcycle into a tree. I am sure somebody has gotten stoned and beat their wife, or their wife has gotten stoned and beaten them. I see this as a hellbound train heading into hell.


303 posted on 02/03/2012 10:01:28 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: CIDKauf

Yes, and all of these things have occurred absent any intoxicant.

The research on the subject does not support your premise. The substance does not affect motor skills in the same way or to the extent that alcohol does.

Being on two wheels, you tend to pay more attention to other vehicles and what they are/might be doing as the odds are against you in any accident regardless of fault.

Not sure how many of the dangerous drivers I have encountered were high, but I can tell you that folks on the phone, texting, eating, or putting on makeup while driving are a serious threat to those around them on the road, and often times appear as if driving drunk.

I’ll keep an eye out for those driving under the posted speed limit and with Cheetos stains on their fingers in the future as well.

At least you are on topic, MJ myths.


304 posted on 02/03/2012 10:16:25 PM PST by KEVLAR
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To: Responsibility2nd
Current law requires a doctor’s prescription to procure marijuana; full legalization would likely spark an even more acute increase in crime.

Why?

If it was legal, anybody can grow it. You don't need lights. Heck, just plant it. It will grow any where and anytime, except when it is too cold. I grew lots of it. I tried it once but I prefer beer. So I gave my plants away. I would grow more for friends when they would bring their seeds to me.

It got irritating though, so I planted the stuff in ditches and on the side of roads.

After the plants got a few inches high, the same size as I would grow them. Some got 8" tall, just growing with no one seeing them. They really freaked when they found the big ones. :)

305 posted on 02/03/2012 10:30:57 PM PST by carenot (We'd rather hold on to the myth than fight for the reality)
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To: CIDKauf
Study shows medical marijuana laws reduce traffic deaths

Leads to lower consumption of alcohol

DENVER (Nov. 29, 2011) – A groundbreaking new study shows that laws legalizing medical marijuana have resulted in a nearly nine percent drop in traffic deaths and a five percent reduction in beer sales.

"Our research suggests that the legalization of medical marijuana reduces traffic fatalities through reducing alcohol consumption by young adults," said Daniel Rees, professor of economics at the University of Colorado Denver who co-authored the study with D. Mark Anderson, assistant professor of economics at Montana State University.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-11/uocd-ssm112911.php

306 posted on 02/03/2012 10:33:38 PM PST by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

We must be better behaved in New England. ;-)


307 posted on 02/04/2012 5:10:35 AM PST by rhombus
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To: AlmaKing
The test looks for a metabolite, an end product not the active THC. You lost that argument. Perhaps, and it is indeed a compelling argument. However, do the metabolizes not pass back through the brain on the way to the kidneys? And if so are there zero neurotransmitter effects?
308 posted on 02/04/2012 5:14:19 AM PST by numberonepal (First they came for Sarah, then they came for Herman.....)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Don’t worry... in the coming dystopia, you’ll have all the soma your heart desires.


309 posted on 02/04/2012 7:41:14 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: ichabod1
horrifyingly dangerous product that results in the destruction of families

Marijuana makes pure, white young girls have sex with black jazz musicians!

310 posted on 02/04/2012 8:44:16 AM PST by carenot (We'd rather hold on to the myth than fight for the reality)
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To: Responsibility2nd
It simply amazes me that there are Conservatives arguing to legalize drugs. Sure a little pot, no bit deal. (unless you are an employer the pothead works for or a co worker etc.) I can almost buy the concept, EXCEPT that it open the doors to everything else. Reality has defined a societal difference between Alcohol and recreational drugs.

Well I guess it did but even some “Conservatives” are anything goes now.

No wonder we are doomed.

Light ‘em up!

311 posted on 02/04/2012 8:47:17 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: rottndog
Inasmuch as all the tax money that was required to enforce prohibition and combat the crime.

When alcohol was OK again, ATF had to have something to do.

We import hemp products from Canada instead of allowing our farmers to grow it.We have gangs fighting along our borders and murders going on, everyday because of the War on Drugs.

Why didn't they have to ammend the Constitution to make drugs illegal?

312 posted on 02/04/2012 9:00:46 AM PST by carenot (We'd rather hold on to the myth than fight for the reality)
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To: rottndog
Oh, you mean like William Randolf Hearst, who didn't want hemp to compete with his paper mills?

Yes,and Dupont made nylon. We made rope for ships, cowboys and evrything else from hemp. Dupont wanted it banned so we had to buy their rope and cloth made from nylon.
I have read that you can't get high from hemp. I don't know but it is supposed to be different.

313 posted on 02/04/2012 9:17:03 AM PST by carenot (We'd rather hold on to the myth than fight for the reality)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I have made both beer and wine. no one bothered me. It is legal to make for your own and guests use. It is illegal to sell what you make.


314 posted on 02/04/2012 9:59:31 AM PST by carenot (We'd rather hold on to the myth than fight for the reality)
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To: longtermmemmory
smoking has zero control of dosage since the plant and quality control would vary.

You would smoke it to effect. That is the control. When you take a pill you don't know you didn't take enough for half an hour or so. Same thing, if you take to high dosage a pill. If you are smoking it, you know real fast when enough is enough.

315 posted on 02/04/2012 10:11:30 AM PST by carenot (We'd rather hold on to the myth than fight for the reality)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Competition is a good thing...

No arguement, but Oregon's medical marijuana laws are a maze of rules and regulations that have set up dual systems, one legal, the other illegal, and a black market to boot. It's barely controlled chaos.

316 posted on 02/04/2012 10:16:21 AM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: carenot
Hemp is a form of cannabis, IIRC, but does not contain enough THC to get you high.

Found this: Hemp Facts


"Industrial hemp has a THC content of between 0.05 and 1%. Marijuana has a THC content of 3% to 20%. To receive a standard psychoactive dose would require a person to power-smoke 10-12 hemp cigarettes over an extremely short period of time. The large volume and high temperature of vapor, gas and smoke would be almost impossible for a person to withstand."

The only problem is the appearance, I believe--they look very similar. But industrial hemp could be genetically modified to look different.
317 posted on 02/04/2012 10:28:37 AM PST by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: rottndog
But industrial hemp could be genetically modified to look different.

Ah, the magic wand of GM.
318 posted on 02/04/2012 10:31:02 AM PST by aruanan
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To: longtermmemmory
there is ZERO control of such dosage.

One puff...2 puffs...? To effect?

When you take one pill it may be too much or not enough.

319 posted on 02/04/2012 12:48:41 PM PST by carenot (We'd rather hold on to the myth than fight for the reality)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

re: “On the contrary, teens report that they can get pot more easily than they can get cigarettes or beer. It seems the best way to restrict access for teens is to make the producct legal for adults, so sellers have an incentive to restrict their sales to adults - that incentive being the potential loss of their legal adult market (through loss of license) if they sell to teens.”

All I’m saying is that alcohol and legal perscription drugs are far more of a problem than illegal drugs. Alcohol is involved in more traffic fatalities, domestic violence, than illegal drugs.

As to Prohibition, yes there were more speakeasys than legal bars after it was enacted. That’s why I said it depends on which group is quoting “facts” about Prohibition. There are other statistics that say that alcohol consumption reduced during Prohibition overall - others say no it stayed the same, others said it went up. I don’t know. The statistics are vague from state to state during that time.

I’m only surmising that accessibility is the reason alcohol is the problem it is today. Adding illegal drugs by legalizing them only worsens the problem.


320 posted on 02/04/2012 5:33:43 PM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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