Skip to comments.Judge Malihi Rules Against Plaintiffs: Says Obama Born In Hawaii Therefore Natural Born Citizen
Posted on 02/03/2012 2:19:38 PM PST by GregNH
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I’m breathing just fine.
I find it amusing watching justices bend down to the great Obama.
No twisted or tortured logic is too great for them to allow a halfrican, usurper to continue his reign.
I’m embarrassed for them. Uphold the Constitution. Sure.
About two years ago, FReeper BP2 said that an anchor baby could one day run for president. You agree, right? It just doesn’t seem “right”.
“So we are now officially Zimbabwe.”
Nah, we also need a few more Quantitative Easing actions on the currency first. We’re definitely on the cusp, however.
“Im embarrassed for them. Uphold the Constitution. Sure.”
They have. And comparing writings, it’s obvious they respect the Constitution far more than you.
We’re going to end up being WORSE than Zimbabwe...0babwe? Not a good way to start the weekend. Or any day for that matter.
Lawyer speak. Nothing less.
(Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
:) Now that’s funny.
If the judge had a family, you can just write this one off as another Chicago Way success for the little bassturd in the White Hut.
You are dead wrong. My daughter was born in the USA to a foreign citizen. She is a dual citizen at birth and she is subject to the sovereignty of two countries. Just like Obama. She is legaly recognized as a Born Dual Citizen in her "home" country, and a natural born citizen in the USA , per this decision.
This ruling means she can run for president and govern for the interests of two countries, carry several passports, serve in a foreign military, and like a million other dual citizens run for US President. It's official now, we accept dual citizens into the presidency.
This judge, himself, in a previous ruling stated that the burden of proof is on the candidate. The candidate supplied NOTHING. No evidence whatsoever.
A stipulation for sake of argument is not proof. The judge might have said that he rejected Irion’s argument about Minor, concluding that if a candidate was born in the USA to at least one U.S. citizen, then that candidate would be a natural born citizen. However, he should then have gone on to state that candidate Obama did not meet his burden of proof that he was born in the USA to even one US citizen, because he offered no evidence at all.
More than a few FReepers have now figured out why Obama’s lawyer skipped that hearing last week. Why should he have wasted a trip?
Judge Malihi was bought and paid for from the get go. Or threatened.
“All this nonsense about his parent’s citizenship is just that—irrelevant.”
You presume to know how SCOTUS will ultimately define/reconfirm the definition of NBC. I do not. I am content to see what happens.
We agree that the HI DOH birth records “released” for Barry are bogus. Barry has been fighting tooth and nail to prevent a trial on the merits which would enter his HI DOH LFBC image into a court record as a “finding of fact.”
Something on that HI LFBC is extremely damaging to Barry’s eligibility...such as EVERYTHING?
I hear ya FRiend, I do...
This ruling means that the judge is corrupt. He ruled based upon what he was sent, outside of the court preceedings, and that so the plaintiffs could not address the Ankeny ruling and perhaps refute it. The judge was workign for little barry bassturd all along, so the presentments didn’tmean a damned thing with a corrupt judge.
Thank you for the emotionally devoid opinion. Very basic to grasp.
My personal opinion that is also devoid of emotion and is basic to grasp is that the judge is compromised.
Trouble is, Wong Kim Ark didn’t use the common law in effect at the time of the writing of the Constitution, but what the court cherry-picked from recent rulings in Britain without any support from documentation of the American Revolutionary period.
What is ridiculous is that the probative value of the testimony that was rushed through was found faulty but the probative value of an online image was not found faulty.
The other issue that it seems Hatfield may take up is who has the burden of proof. It is not up to the plaintiffs to prove that Obama is ineligible, but up to Obama to prove that he IS eligible. How can he do that without presenting ANYTHING? I’m afraid Hatfield and Irion have shot themselves in the foot by presenting the online image as if it could be probative, but we’ll see what happens on appeal, I guess.
This problem is more than likely not going to be solved in the courts because they are too badly compromised. That’s why the retired military guys told Lakin to not push the issue. They’d get bad results from a compromised system.
If we’re going to get relief from this fraud it’s gonna have to come through law enforcement - in a CRIMINAL trial, where expert witnesses are presented, the investigation includes subpoenas, etc.
Paging Sheriff Arpaio... Paging Sheriff Arpaio... ;o)
Posters write of race riots and burning cities should the black liar be removed for his criminality. That is as racist as anything we've seen since the KKK had a credible voice in American politics. Sadly, people cannot see that black people are part of the now endentured populace and race riots were not a credible threat, regardless of how well david axelbastard floated the notion via his shills.
I think the damaging things are what happened in 1971 and afterwards.
The obots freak out when the subject of Indonesia comes up. And the reason for the grand meeting in Hawaii in December of 1971 is unexplained except that in the end. Obama senior goes back to Kenya to kill himself (or get murdered) in a car wreck. And mother goes back to her (foreign) husband. And Obama is now with the grandparents.
But he is not Barak Dunham - as you would expect if the Grandparents took custody and he used his supposed given first name. He is Barry Obama. He uses the Obama name in high school. But that was two fathers/guardians in the past. Why would that happen???
Obama Senior was likely the wsy the Indonesian adoption was annulled. He reclaimed his son and according Indonesian law that nullifies an non-citizen adoption.
So in 1971 Barry probably became 100% Kenyan. Never born in Kenya but his namesake father came to his rescue to get him out of an Indonesia that was becoming more anti-American.
“Realistically, does anyone REALLY think the current US Supreme Court would overturn WKAs dicta and force Obama from office?”
Zero cases prior to this GA case had a plaintiff with standing sufficient to result in a trial on the merits, so it doesn't matter in the least how many previous federal cases SCOTUS refused to remand for a hearing for a trial court to actually hear evidence.
IIUC SCOTUS reserves unto itself determinations such as whether the Minor NBC language is dicta or a holding and what key sentences actually mean when parsed. SCOTUS would not leave that up to an Indiana appeals court, or a GA ALJ punting to an IN court, IMO.
I believe that this case will be fast-tracked.
Didn't you love Obama’s prayer breakfast speech? I will be voting against him for the person most likely to beat him in November.
Meanwhile, even though Taitz doesn't have a clue how to present a criminal case against Barry, maybe Joe Arpaio will! Barry and Holder have failed to take him out, so far.
Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha!
If only it would work, Danae. I’m puking with you and with all the other patriots who love our country and are mourning the loss of this battle. Keep the faith. Goodness and rightness are on our side.
My daughter has an American BC and has foreign citizenship at birth. She is legally entitled to have two passports, serve in a foreign military, and then run for president of the United States.
My daughter can stand in front of the American people and promise to send half of our assets to another country if elected while waving her foreign passport on election day, and be qualified as a natural born citizen in the USA.
This ruling certifies the US presidency as an international office. We the people can be governed by a foreign citizen, such as Obama, who have no loyalty to American interests. The only difference going forward is the next foreign citizen who runs will not have to hide dual nationality as Obama did. He can use it to his advantage, promising to lavish his home country with American aid.
“ARE YOU OFFERING THESE WITNESSES AS EXPERTS IN THE FIELD OF X?
And allowed her to say YES, I AM YOUR HONOUR.
And then let the witness continue with a description of their expertise.”
Instead, the judge gave all the plaintiff attorneys the bum’s rush.
I will give up fighting for this country when I’m dead and not one minute before.
Political ruling class and political court class taking path of least resistance again. They don’t care about NBC or a foreign born fraud. Bad for business. Look at how John Boehner is influencing the Issa investigation on Fast and Furious Scandal! Ruling class could care less about hundreds of dead Mexican nationals or 2 dead U.S. law enforcement agents by illegal gunrunning, corrupt Eric Holder will stay in power, all parties intact and the charade, political theater goes on.
I’ve no faith in any government institution. Today finally OSHA sent a politically correct casual attired hag to our facility and the “inspection” never happened. I guess deep holes in the floor lift trucks (weighing 3 cars) run over isn’t a safety concern, maybe when the holes get deeper and hit bedrock or a China man pops out it will make waves. There’s no accountability at all and guess we will take this incompetence and violations to governor’s office with names if that does anything.
Rule of law is falling down all around and real leadership is dwindling. The law of the gun comes next.
Hmmm...maybe Stanley Ann brought some adoption/un-adoption papers with her to HI from Indonesia for BHO Sr. to sign?
Something very significant happened. The book “Dreams,” heavily written by Ayers is unreliable, but it does mention “family business” that BHO Sr. was attending to with the Dunhams.
Multiple copies under control of different people is the key. Whether any of the copies are paper (or microfilm) is less of an issue.
Multiple copies are why email is hard to forge. When an email gets sent, it ends up multiple machines between sender and recipient(s). Chances are, the would-be forger has root access to at most one or two of them.
Why do you think they might want to eliminate paper ballots?
Again, multiple copies under control of different people is the solution. The way it should work is, when you vote, a paper ballot gets generated (or maybe you mark a paper ballot), then an electronic ballot is recorded locally and simultaneously sent offsite to different servers. The local tally, the remote tallies, and the paper count (if necessary) should all agree.
The constitution has been amended. Control of the US armed forces has devovled to a foreign citizen.
You're stuck at arguing old talking points, IMO.
So Orly’s evidence was insufficient and the defendant’s evidence was completely missing. Upon what evidence, then, did the judge make his decision?
Did he flip a coin?
It figures. Who will touch this and feel safe afterward.
The decision was made for the corrupt judge. He revealed the fact with his ruling, based upon NOTHING presented in the court.
We have lots of citizenship law that needs a Constitutional Amendment to fix which we should support.
I have been involved in this issue since I was a Law Review editor during the Goldwater period. I have read every case and every authority. I talk regularly to lawyers in DC who argue Supreme Court cases. There is not now and has never been any real room for doubt about how the Supreme Court would decide this case.
He has vulnerability's on the place of birth and parentage issues. But we need competent counsel and an organized effort. We don't have that at present. So we continue to lose because the lawyers who advocate our side and most of their clients are living in a dreamworld.
This sucks, bigtime.
Now what happens to the petition that Orly Taitz was granted by Judge Malihi to supoena records from Hawaii?
Malihi isn’t actually a judge. He is an administrative hearing officer. He has no power to order Hawaiian officials to produce records. What I don’t understand is why the House of Representatives didn’t have hearings and subpoena records from Hawaii. Oh, yeah, Boehner’s a RINO.
“What I dont understand is why the House of Representatives didnt have hearings and subpoena records from Hawaii. Oh, yeah, Boehners a RINO.”
Considering that they don’t care about Obama arming drug cartels that murder border patrol agents I doubt a little thing like him being a usurper is of much importance to them.
As long as Obama is in office, only Congress can try his crimes. Have you seen any sign that the RINO Boehner is willing to do that? Why didn’t the House hold hearings and subpoena his records a year ago? It could’ve all been out in the open by now.
So many letters were written to them with laughable responses. Also, there were quite a few freepers who insisted early on to forget about the birth certificate and go after him by keeping him off the ballot if he runs again. Well, it doesn't look like that's going to work out now, is it?
There may or may not be a smiley face on that fake birth certificate, but the word “the” is most definitely misspelled. Not on ANY OTHER document out of Hawaii. Just on that stamp certifying that his fake document is real.
Just looked in to see if anything interesting was going on, and saw this stunner. Breathtaking. Infuriating.
First impression: this is the Malihi edition of Obama’s Friday night document dump.
The Kenyan and lawyer tell the Judge to go fark himself......They make hundreds of calls to the Governor, Attorney General and anyone else they can think of to pressure the judge holding the fact finding hearing. More than likely, physical threats were made against the judge's family
Anyone can get on the Georgia ballot to run for the highest office in the Country. If ever asked for proof of eligibility tell the courts, SOS and the powers that be to STICK IT!!. I don't have to provide you with a farking thing and you will kiss my ass, go to great lengths to create excuses for me, make up 'law' for me even though I've provided you with no legal documention whatsoever. Not even a blank piece of paper. Then you'll put me on the ballot anyway like the good apparatchik POS that you are........
I wrote a reply...but there was smoke coming out of my ears when I wrote it, so I sent it freepmail.
I would grant that the Founders, many of whom were attorneys, understood citizenship before the Revolution in terms of English law, under which Acts of Parliament overrode common law traditions. Unlike the author of the Arkeny decision, or Judge Malihi, they would have been aware of the British Nationality Acts of 1730 and 1772, both of which bestow status as “natural born subjects” to the offspring of natural born subject FATHERS (not parents, not mothers — the sexist pigs stipulated FATHERS). English law regarding citizenship as the Founders would have understood it serves much better for denying Obama American nbc status than granting it. (I realize that internet discussion will change nothing about this farce, and I agree with most of your post. I just find the recourse to common law to be inapplicable).
Interestingly, I also have an older child who is a naturalized citizen who...since taking the naturalization oath, renounced their former citizenship and therefor no longer eligible to hold a passport, vote or be subject to a military draft in that foreign country. YET, being (only) a U.S. citizen now, is NOT eligible to be the President of this country.
Amazing, the irony.
Oh yeah, I also have a 2 citizen parent, born in the U.S. natural born Citizen child as well :). I know...complicated.
If a dual national, who owes allegience to two countries, can be President...naturalized citizens should be eligible as well since they specifically renounced their former allegience. I don't agree with that, but that's the logical extension here.
It was an administrative hearing, not a trial. The judge was not restricted to the information provided by the plaintiffs. He simply researched the applicable case law. While the plaintiff’s case was not disputed by the defendant, that does not automatically make it true. The judge compared the plaintiffs case to existing case law and found it lacking.
Occam’s Razor, David. You’re so right. It’s so sad.
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