Skip to comments.Judge Malihi Rules Against Plaintiffs: Says Obama Born In Hawaii Therefore Natural Born Citizen
Posted on 02/03/2012 2:19:38 PM PST by GregNH
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Yep and that is why the LOCATION is so imperative in this argument.
It does not matter what his father’s status was and that is why they lost. No surprise at all.
Who is getting worked up? I mentioned before the fact that I would not be surprised if the Judge ruled against us. I took a bit of chastising for doing so, but I considered it a distinct possibility. I am ACCUSTOMED to the courts getting things WRONG. Ban on Prayer in Schools, Abortion, Homosexuality a protected class, Exclusionary Rule, Commerce Clause expansion, etc. Yeah, the Courts get stuff wrong a lot of the time. Why would you expect a rotten tree to yield good fruit?
It appears that you agree with me that you will not get what you want in the courts so what is your plan B?
It is not a foregone conclusion that a court cannot come to a correct outcome. Courts are often like magic puzzle boxes. Figure out the correct sequence of moves, and you can unlock it.
As for Plan B? That's Easy. "Revolution."
The Nation as currently constituted is in the early stages of economic pre-shocks. The tolerance of idiocy in our Government (Executive, Legislative, and Judicial) have reached a point where all the social and economic structures which have been built will likely at some point come crashing down upon us.
In the after math of this social\economic upheaval, what is left of the stable portion of the nation will be able to turn out the vile and corrupt that have destroyed us, and replace in their stead people who will not put up with the stupidity of the last 100 years.
We are about to go the way of the Roman Empire, and for the same reasons. Excess Spending, Easy Citizenship, and debauchery in our government. It would have been nice to be able to hit the "Reverse" switch, but after the crash, we will be able to fix a lot of the things that caused it in the first place.
Exactly! Born on the soil was NOT the only requirement. Indians were excluded for so long because they were NOT considered members of the family. (Except those who naturalized.)
Yes, I agree. We are approaching an Economic collapse, brought on by the toleration of Liberal Economic policies and Liberal "evil" social policies. Those of us who survive the economic collapse will be able to push for a new reformation.
In the book "Don Camillio and his Flock" the Communist Mayor of the Village was fond of saying "...Come the Revolution!" I have lately been thinking that perhaps we should all be looking forward to a Revolution. It is time to turn out the debauched intellectuals who are bringing us to ruin both socially and economically.
Is that pencil necked geek lorenc?
If only Lizabeth Salander were real... the things that hugger is hiding on his harddrive would likely land him in prison.
These fools are such idealogues, they BELIEVE Obama is legit. No matter how much historical evidence is handed them, their JOB is to discredit it. Maybe it is time to discredit them.
I second your recommendation. Structure is one of the best books I ever read. I saw Kuhn speak once in person. He was more difficult to follow in that venue than in his books. It was a memorable experience, though, and I’m glad I had that opportunity.
Some things are just obvious when presented too, whether they are presented by someone who has devoted his life to something, or by his secretary. So when the secretary shows enlargements of characters that were all supposed to have been produced by the same typewriter key that obviously were not, it seems absurd to me to reject out of hand what the secretary has shown.”
This is a common fallacy. Many people may have extensive experience in certain areas. That does not make them an expert for all questions. I've gotten much more “expertise” in this question myself late in my career as fate wound up steering me into certain aspects of safety and environmental law defending businesses.
Liberal environmental groups routinely do exactly what Orly is doing. It's a mistake that comes in either of two primary flavors: (1) representing run-of-the-mill people with axes to grind as “experts,” and (2) finding sympathetic people with meaningful backgrounds in one field who they lure over the line into another field. I have found they tend to do this for two reasons as well. First, not being versed in technical matters, they tend to be gullible. That is, it's not so much deliberate misrepresentation (although you occasionally get that)as that they honestly don't know the diffference. Second, they believe so wholeheartedly in their cause they can't objectively evaluate the case they are trying to make.
You would think they'd learn (and again, a few do), but when one believes so completely in a cause, I've observed it continues to cloud their augment. They respond exactly as Orly does. To them, it's not that they prepared a poor case and presented it poorly. It's that I and the uncaring businesses I represent are evil, corrupt Republican SOBs, the judges have all been bought off, etc.
Sound familiar? It's not that attorneys like me deliberately want to mock your beliefs. It's just that we've seen this pattern so many times, from both sides. I've been subjected to all the insults by the other side, and I've had to drop clients who have the same failing. They can't give up their belief about what the facts and the law ought to be instead of facing what they are. Thus, there's nothing I can do for them, and I'm not just going to take their money for nothing.
Given her poor skills, her constant lack of professionalism in court, and the hopeless nature of the briefs she writes, I find Orly unethical in the extreme, particularly in the way she solicits money from the gullible on a pipe dream. Far from being “Lady Liberty” she is the very worst type of lawyer—an incompetent ambulance chaser. And if that offends you, I'm sorry, but every ambulance chaser has a line of BS about how nobly they are serving some cause.
In this case, Mara Zebest is not a forensic digital image analyst. The act of scanning a document into a PDF introduces digital alterations into it, so she is certainly correct that the image has digital alterations. That's a point any novice computer user could verify. But those alterations don't mean either the image or the underlying document are forgeries. She does nothing to demonstrate that they are, because, not being a forensic digital image or document analysts, she presumably doesn't know how they go about doing that. Her experience with Adobe is irrelevant to the court. In particular, her conclusion that she believes the certificate image in question was created on Photoshop means nothing. Her “belief” is irrelevant given that the PDF data identifies the actual program used to create the PDF, and it ain't Adobe. And that Obama released a copy of the document that the state of Hawaii stands behind. The full faith and credit clause trumps the idle musings of an Adobe professional straying well outside her field of expertise.
my thoughts exactly...
Let me guess: You're a lawyer?
How do I know this? I know it because you are full of sh*t. You see this is my business too. There are anomalies in the scan that would never be introduced by a simple scan. The smoke blowers say this is because of things the Adobe Software automatically introduced because of how it set up on the machine that was used. Zebest is precisely an expert in Adobe Software. Your argument is akin to suggesting that she (probably) doesn't know much about theoretical physics and since all of this involves the interactions of sub atomic particles, she has nothing to bring to the table.
A lawyer would argue that the sky is not blue because there are many shades.
I meant to also include....depending on who their client, or what their agenda is.
I should not have used the term “evidence” relating to the possibility of Barry having been born in Canada. More appropriate terms are “indicators” and “liklihood”.
There are indeed a many indicators which point to it being likly that Barry was born in Canada.
A Canadian birth would not necessarily have left a paper trail. In those days having an unwed pregnant daughter was cause for considerable shame for a family, and those young girls were more often than not ‘sent away’ under the pretext of being needed to help an ill auntie or somesuch, whereas in actuality arrangements were made for the girls to be hidden away in ‘homes for unwed mothers’. Western Canada was a rich source of such homes. Many were operated by the Catholic church, but some were private. It would be naive to think all - or even most - of the ‘private’ homes functioned openly. They were in the business of providing expensive disgression and privacy for whomever could afford to pay the price. That disgression and privacy would have included adoption arrangements, complete with a birth certificate for whatever appropriate location. Just as today illegals pay for bogus [stolen] social security numbers.
IF Barry was born in a Canadian private ‘home’, in a relative’s home, or even on a park bench - no registration of Canadian birth would have to take place. There would not have been a Canadian birth certificate for an under-the-radar birth, and thus no paper trail. The undocumentated birth would not have been so for very long, because all it would have taken was for grandma Dunham to trot herself into the Hawaii Dept. of Health and vouch to the State that her grandbaby was born the other day - in a Honolulu city park, under the fronds of a giant fern beside the road, and voila! - she’s handed a Certification of Live Birth, and suddenly baby Barry [who is living with his mama in Seattle where she’s attending the Univ. of Washington] is a fully legal person, born in Honolulu Aug 4, 1961.
So Canada might not have had any leverage over Barry re: the pipeline - he’s unhindered in his quest to destroy our nation.
A flashback - I’m thinking I read somewhere - quite a while ago - that one of the first things Barry did as president was...suggest? demand? request? order? the Canadian government to seal any records relative to him. do you have any such recollection?
The rest of your post - I concur with your evaluation. We’re scr**ed.
Ah...Thanks for posting all this. More pieces to delve through, trying to figure out how they fit together in the puzzle of hisOneness.
Atty. Van Irion to Appeal Judge Malihi’s Decision: Court Ignored Basic Rules of Interpretation
“The one point of good news from this ruling is that we have FINALLY gotten a court to rule on the merits of our argument. This may seem like a hollow victory, but it isnt. Before this everyone that has brought a challenge against Obamas eligibility has been dismissed on procedural grounds. Nothing is more devastating to the rule of law than a judicial branch that refuses to do its job. Before this case we had courts across the country telling Americans that they had no right to enforce the Constitution. That was absurdity at its most extreme. Liberty Legal Foundation found a case that we believed would at least get a ruling on the merits. We hate the ruling we got, but at least we got a ruling. Now we can appeal that ruling. The appeals process now will focus on the definition of “natural born citizen” rather than procedure for the first time since the issue of Obama’s eligibility was raise in 2008.”
I told you that. No guesswork was required.
“I know it because you are full of sh*t.”
I attempted a civil explanation of a legal result that by your own admission you do not understand. You response clarifies that you have no actual desire to understand.
The two ways the people hit the reset button is by electing the leaders you want and working with them to change the law. The only way to change anything is by putting energy into beating Obama at the ballot box and getting the legislature to pass an amendment to define “natural born citizen” as someone born here to two citizen parents, not they way it’s defined by the law as it stands. These court cases are getting nowhere.
I cannot disagree with your assessment.
Guessed right, huh Pal?
Check out the other responses I got, and might still get.
I've been making my living in the digital world for 40+ years now but you know more about this than I do. If you don't see this as a problem, then I suggest you are clueless.
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