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To: rxsid

“But doing so would render the natural-born citizen clause to be inoperative, in that 14th Amendment citizenship, and nothing more, would be the requirement to be President.”

No. It merely means that anyone born in the USA of parents here legally IS a natural born citizen allowed to run for President. All other offices would still allow naturalized citizens to run. It would NOT override the NBC clause, but define it.

To the extend the 14th deals with citizenship, it was to overturn the Dred Scott decision. It was the states telling the Court they had ruled incorrectly in Dred Scott.


10 posted on 02/04/2012 3:52:37 PM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers

Quote the part of the 14th Amendment that has the term “natural born Citizen” in it.


11 posted on 02/04/2012 3:56:15 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Mr Rogers
While your searching for that...I'll take the liberty to quote the father of the 14th:

John Bingham, "father of the 14th Amendment", the abolitionist congressman from Ohio who prosecuted Lincoln's assassins, reaffirmed the definition known to the framers, not once, but twice during Congressional discussions of Citizenship pertaining to the upcoming 14th Amendment and a 3rd time nearly 4 years after the 14th was adopted.

The House of Representatives definition for "natural born Citizen" was read into the Congressional Record during the Civil War, without contest!

"All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians." (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862)).

 

The House of Representatives definition for "natural born Citizen" was read into the Congressional Record after the Civil War, without contest!

every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))"

No other Representative ever took issue with these words on the floor of the House. If you read the Congressional Globe to study these debates, you will see that many of the underlying issues were hotly contested. However, Bingham’s definition of “natural born citizen” (born of citizen parents in the sovereign territory of the U.S.) was never challenged on the floor of the House. Without a challenge on the definition, it appears the ALL where in agreement.


 
Then, during a debate (see pg. 2791) on April 25, 1872 regarding a certain Dr. Houard, who had been incarcerated in Spain, the issue was raised on the floor of the House of Representatives as to whether the man was a US citizen (generally. they were not trying to decide if he was a NBC). Representative Bingham (of Ohio), stated on the floor:

“As to the question of citizenship I am willing to resolve all doubts in favor of a citizen of the United States. That Dr. Houard is a natural-born citizen of the United States there is not room for the shadow of a doubt. He was born of naturalized parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, and by the express words of the Constitution, as amended to-day, he is declared to all the world to be a citizen of the United States by birth.”

(The term “to-day”, as used by Bingham, means “to date”. Obviously, the Constitution had not been amended on April 25, 1872. And, since they knew he was, without a doubt, a natural born Citizen...he was, of course, considered a citizen of the U.S.)

The take away from this is that, while the debates and discussions went on for years in the people's house regarding "citizenship" and the 14th Amendment, not a single Congressman disagreed with the primary architect's multiple statements on who is a natural born Citizen per the Constitution. The United States House was in complete agreement at the time. NBC = born in sovereign U.S. territory, to 2 citizen parentS who owe allegiance to no other country.


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15 posted on 02/04/2012 3:59:23 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Mr Rogers

Mr Rogers, you said:

“,,,No. It merely means that anyone born in the USA of parents here legally IS a natural born citizen allowed to run for President...”

in which you included the words “of parents here legally”.

But Judge Mahili’s decision said:

“...For the purposes of this analysis, this Court considered that President Barack Obama was born in the United States. Therefore, as discussed in Arkeny, he became a citizen at birth and is a natural born citizen....”

which does not seem to require the birth parents to be here legally. So it would allow “anchor babies” to be considered natural born citizens as well as it would some of the US citizen Islamic Jihadists our Predators have been targeting.

There’s no need to sugarcoat this anti-Constitutional decision.


25 posted on 02/04/2012 4:25:12 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: Mr Rogers
To the extend the 14th deals with citizenship, it was to overturn the Dred Scott decision. It was the states telling the Court they had ruled incorrectly in Dred Scott.

People tend to forget that the passage of the 14th amendment was due to Federal Guns pointed at Southern States. It is hardly "the States" making any sort of statement, unless you accept confessions under duress.

The will of a Puppet is that of it's master, not it's own.

36 posted on 02/04/2012 4:47:26 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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So how do we control Dual citizen presidents who are loyal to foreign countries?

We are all swirling down the toilet bowel with people who voted for Obama, like stink on shit.

How many billions of dollars has Obama sent to a foreign country, Kenya, that he calls his home country?

A born dual citizen has just borrowed and pissed away 5 trillion dollars that my kids will have to repay. Let me repeat. A man who has held foreign citizenship has pissed away 5 trillion dollars, on loan to the American people.

I don't give a shit what your f-ing theories are. We have a disloyal foreign citizen in the White house pissing away American blood and security!!!

91 posted on 02/04/2012 9:34:45 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Mr Rogers
And by the way Rogers, our Dual citizen president started a war in Libya without congressional approval.

He has not one ounce of respect for my constitution yet he took an oath to protect and defend it. The Kenyan SOB probably laughs when he hears the casualty reports.

Defend that sleazy POS all you want.

93 posted on 02/04/2012 9:53:05 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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