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Mitt Romney: "Islam is not an inherently violent faith"
Atlas Shrugs ^ | 2/9/12 | Pamela Geller

Posted on 02/09/2012 3:10:08 PM PST by Nachum

Apparently, unlike most everything else, Mitt Romney has not flip-flopped on his position on jihad and Islam. Back in July 2009, I wrote in a post entitled, "Why Romney Won't be President" that Romney would not be president because he said something so fundamentally and unabashedly wrong about America's greatest mortal threat that he was unfit to be President: "Jihadism Is not part of Islam." Yes, he said that. That is frightening coming from a Presidential candidate. Instead of spending the ensuing years studying jihad, Romney appears hardwired for delusion in his latest remarks.

The fact that Romney knows peaceful Muslims is purely anecdotal. I believe that most Muslims are secular and have no desire to strap one on. But that does not mean that Islam is not inherently violent. The ideology is the most violent and radical on the face of the earth. What history books is Romney reading......Dr. Seuss? How did Romney miss over 270 million victims in over a millennium of jihadi wars, land appropriations, cultural annihilations and enslavements? How did Romney miss the close to 18,000 Islamic attacks since 911? How did Romney miss the revolutions in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, etc.? How did Romney miss the jihad on the Jews and Christians and Hindus and Sikhs?

There are hundreds of millions of jihadis, what's Romney smokin'?

Mitt Romney: Islam is not an inherently violent faith

Cedar Rapids, Ia. – Mitt Romney responded today to a call for a tougher stance against Muslims by saying that most Muslims are peaceful people who deserve respect.

The issue came up during a question-and-answer session at a campaign stop here this morning. A man rose from the audience, claimed he had many Muslim friends, but said, “I have never heard one Muslim condemn Islamic jihad or terrorism.

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1 posted on 02/09/2012 3:10:11 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Mitt Romdhimminey


2 posted on 02/09/2012 3:13:12 PM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: Nachum

Romney does have a lifetime of experience of lying about religion.


3 posted on 02/09/2012 3:13:44 PM PST by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Nachum

Fool. Idiot. Not my president.


4 posted on 02/09/2012 3:15:00 PM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: Nachum

Romney is a goof.

But then again, he probably agrees in Iran’s “inalienable rights” to a Israeli genocide. Much like Obama.


5 posted on 02/09/2012 3:15:24 PM PST by himno hero (Obamas theme...Death to America...The crusaders will pay!)
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To: Nachum

Same as Bush...same as Obama...you have nothing to fear...go back to sleep...etc...etc...etc


6 posted on 02/09/2012 3:15:34 PM PST by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: Nachum

I Will Be a Second Mohammed

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable.

In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4]

In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.
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[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.

(Decker, Ed, My Kingdom Come: The Mormon Quest for Godhood, Xulon Press, 2007)


7 posted on 02/09/2012 3:17:00 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Nachum

What can you expect from the logic of someone who can “believe” in the absurdities of Mormonism. If someone understands Mormon theology and “accepts” it—there is a real question about their analytical skills, since their basic statements conflict not only with history, but scientific fact.

And what type of role models were their founders??????? Geeeeeshhhh! Not much better than the Islam founder.


8 posted on 02/09/2012 3:17:08 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Nachum

I’ll give him a pass on this, because he’s running for president. If he said their isn’t a radical Islam problem, then I would criticize him. He’s only saying not to criticize all of Islam.


9 posted on 02/09/2012 3:17:36 PM PST by Politics4US
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To: Nachum
Mitt Romney: "Islam is not an inherently violent faith"

I believe History would suggest otherwise!!!

10 posted on 02/09/2012 3:18:59 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Nachum
Yeah sure... and you aren't an inherently liberal pos either... huh mitt?

LLS

11 posted on 02/09/2012 3:22:14 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Hey repubic elite scumbags... jam mitt up your collective arses!)
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To: Nachum

Wow....now I will go bump my head against the wall for a bit..

F N UNREAL........


12 posted on 02/09/2012 3:22:46 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Nachum
"Jihadism Is not part of Islam."

Brain-washed. Just like his dad.

13 posted on 02/09/2012 3:22:46 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Nachum
Ok, SnippyMcMittCare, True or false:

Is this woman being non-violently stoned to death for not complying with the dictates of Islam?

Good Lord, you can see nothing but horror in her dead eyes.

14 posted on 02/09/2012 3:23:11 PM PST by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created THROUGH Him, BY Him and FOR Him.

The lds-org is a thief of the Name and the Truth of Jesus Christ.

15 posted on 02/09/2012 3:23:59 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Nachum

Keep talking, Mittens!

The more you open your mouth, the less people like you.


16 posted on 02/09/2012 3:26:22 PM PST by Ronin (VOTE NEWT! He's Not Romney! Huh? He did?? Scratch that! GO SANTORUM!!!)
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To: Noumenon
Romney doesn't view Islam as a negative. Because Mormonism has it's own Blood Atonement.
17 posted on 02/09/2012 3:27:03 PM PST by CT (Make Mine Newt)
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To: Nachum

It’s OK Mittens, you can’t offend them - they’ll vote Obama anyway!


18 posted on 02/09/2012 3:27:55 PM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Nachum
One can take a mitt... one can need to mitt... one can step in mitt... one can smear someone with mitt... one can smell like mitt... and one can give a mitt... the only thing I see that mitt is good for is growing flowers or grass... but other than that... mitt is just stinky old mitt.

LLS

19 posted on 02/09/2012 3:27:55 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Hey repubic elite scumbags... jam mitt up your collective arses!)
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To: Nachum

ROP, there mittens


20 posted on 02/09/2012 3:29:58 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Nachum
Romney: Did you notice in Lebanon what Hezbollah did?

21 posted on 02/09/2012 3:31:34 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: Nachum
UPDATE: Bachmann and Santorum are best on this issue. They understand the global jihad and the threat it presents.
22 posted on 02/09/2012 3:32:08 PM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Nachum

Wonder when the Romney Hope & Change ads will appear on TV?


23 posted on 02/09/2012 3:32:51 PM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: Nachum

In fairness... you’ll hear the same thing from any of the candidates, and we already have, to one extent or another. Does anybody really think a President or candidate is going to call out all of Islam as inherently violent or evil? It’s just not gonna happen.


24 posted on 02/09/2012 3:34:01 PM PST by Ramius (.)
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To: Nachum

Mitt Romney: “I am an idiot..and further ignorant of the true tennants of Islam”!


25 posted on 02/09/2012 3:34:51 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: Minus_The_Bear
Mormonism: It's not just a religion created out of the rituals of Free Masonry. It's also a business with no true 'good deeds' like hospitals, schools, etc. Their conversions are for the money.
26 posted on 02/09/2012 3:35:35 PM PST by CT (Make Mine Newt)
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To: Nachum

Not if everyone everywhere is muslim. Only then is there the ‘peace’ of islam.


27 posted on 02/09/2012 3:40:54 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Interesting. There was a lot of violence in the early days of the Mormon Church, but they seem to have grown out of it.

On the other hand, the LDS church does have one thing in common with Islam. It draws upon Judaism and Christianity, but it is INCOMPATIBLE with them and with the Bible in numerous ways. Islam starts out by distorting the stories of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, basically turning the whole thing upside down. And LDS likewise completely distorts the Christian version of history.

Or, for that matter, like Islam it distorts history, period. But that’s another story.


28 posted on 02/09/2012 3:40:58 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: savagesusie
What can you expect from the logic of someone who can “believe” in the absurdities of Mormonism. If someone understands Mormon theology and “accepts” it—there is a real question about their analytical skills, since their basic statements conflict not only with history, but scientific fact.

That pretty well sums up my take on Mormonism. I have avoided expressing that opinion on FR, but you put it out there very nicely.- Tom

29 posted on 02/09/2012 3:44:30 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: Nachum
Yep, it was Mormons was responsible.
Oh wait, it was Quakers what did it.
No, no @the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.


Yeah, that's the ticket.


30 posted on 02/09/2012 3:44:37 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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"America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition.

Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings. "

~Barack Obama




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31 posted on 02/09/2012 3:50:16 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Nachum

Well, he does come from a violent, polygamous, cult founded by a criminal himself.


32 posted on 02/09/2012 3:53:38 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Nachum

They can’t be lying to us. We KNOW differently. Are they lying to themselves?


33 posted on 02/09/2012 3:54:21 PM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Nachum

Romney is a fool. If he is the Republican nominee I will stay home.


34 posted on 02/09/2012 3:55:19 PM PST by Mr_Peter
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...

Ping


35 posted on 02/09/2012 3:57:39 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Don't call us bigots! "Bigotry" is 98% of mormons in NV voting for Mitt Romney.)
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To: Nachum

Mitt Romney is not someone I’d go to for advice on religion. Just saying....


36 posted on 02/09/2012 3:58:25 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Mormonism: What the Latter Day Saints think of Islam [Indicator of how Mitt perceives Islam?]
37 posted on 02/09/2012 3:59:18 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Nachum

$ quote:

“The Obama camp wants Romney to be the GOP nominee so they can butcher him on the Mormon church’s racist past. Just Google “Brigham Young and blacks” and read to your heart’s content. Axelrod and Team Scum Bucket is going to have a field day with Romney on this.”

Yep.


38 posted on 02/09/2012 4:06:17 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Nachum

Mitthamed Oromney is an idiot.


39 posted on 02/09/2012 4:08:40 PM PST by pallis
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To: Nachum

I looked at pictures of women being beaten for exposing their ankles or stoned for adultery (i.e., for being attacked against their will). I looked at pictures of Americans being beheaded for being American. I moved on to the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, the Spanish trains, the London Underground, the Embassy attacks in Beirut, in Tanzania, and in Kenya, the underwear and shoe bombers on aircraft, the British liquid bombers, and a list of literally thousands of other attacks that I just skimmed. A hasty person might generalize and conclude that Islam is inherently violent, but I know better. I know that diversity is our strength and I should not generalize about a group as if I was prejudiced, even if there is isolated support for that generalization. There is no real pattern there, is there?


40 posted on 02/09/2012 4:09:05 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Nachum

Anyone remember the news story from Starship Troopers that talks about the Mormon settlers that were massacred when the tried to settle in bug terroritory?

Bet they thought the bugs weren’t inherently violent either.


41 posted on 02/09/2012 4:09:38 PM PST by Molon Labbie (End the War On Drugs, Restore the Constitution.)
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To: Capt. Tom

There is faith in all religions....even Atheism.....but some beliefs just become so absurd or offer role models which are so abhorrent-—it should be dumped, if you want a rational “civil” and free society.

It is why Marxists target Judeo-Christian Ethics-—which is the basis of any free and most rational society. Feminists, homosexuals and ACLU are out to destroy the institutions which make freedom possible. Virtue is necessary in free societies.


42 posted on 02/09/2012 4:12:05 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Elsie; bayouranger

Elsie

PING to #38


43 posted on 02/09/2012 4:16:06 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Nachum
"Islam is not inherently violent."

And bears don't inherently defecate in the woods.

44 posted on 02/09/2012 4:16:39 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Politics4US
No, Romney is saying islam is not an inherently violent faith and you are giving his a pass because he is running for president? That is just nuts. Romney is a mormon, a fool and a liar, are you going to give him a pss on those as well?
45 posted on 02/09/2012 4:17:22 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Just finish reading the first two chapters of CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? on the Amazon site. Lots of history/background about the faith.


46 posted on 02/09/2012 4:19:44 PM PST by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Nachum

By that logic, most of the violent criminals in prison are not “inherently violent”, because only a small fraction of their time was spent committing violent crimes.


47 posted on 02/09/2012 4:20:19 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Nachum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhdDajl0Csg
fools all of them


48 posted on 02/09/2012 4:21:20 PM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: Nachum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhdDajl0Csg
fools all of them


49 posted on 02/09/2012 4:21:31 PM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: Nachum

WTF does Romney know?

Who does he pretend to be? Bush Light?


50 posted on 02/09/2012 4:35:46 PM PST by 353FMG
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