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Breaking: Catholic Bishops-only internal briefing on the HHS regulations “compromise”
WITL via Patheos ^ | 2/11/2012 | staff

Posted on 02/11/2012 1:21:06 AM PST by Notwithstanding

The Whispers in the Loggia blog (WITL) has obtained a bishops-only internal briefing that was circulated soon after President Obama’s announcement of his HHS regulation “compromise.”...what follows “is the text of tonight’s internal, bishops-only briefing, obtained by Whispers and signed by the aforementioned quintet: the conference president, Cardinal-designate Timothy Dolan of New York, and the bench’s committee chairs for Pro-Life Activities, Cardinal Daniel DiNardo of Galveston-Houston; Doctrine, Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington; Domestic Policy, Bishop Stephen Blaire of Stockton, and the newly-formed arm on Religious Liberty, Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport.” Here is the briefing:

(Excerpt) Read more at patheos.com ...


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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Catholics walked away from adoption without a fight.

In Illinois, the State physically removed the children while the Church's case was on appeal. What would you have the Church do, kidnap the kids back after their legal remedies were exhausted?

101 posted on 02/11/2012 10:25:57 AM PST by JustMeMcGee
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To: SumProVita; ecomcon

Post 70 + 74, Right on, Amen they are the Truth!


102 posted on 02/11/2012 10:38:40 AM PST by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

Well said, now if they jsut will.


103 posted on 02/11/2012 11:15:11 AM PST by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: devolve

You love that one!


104 posted on 02/11/2012 11:43:05 AM PST by potlatch
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To: JustMeMcGee

And the federal government is going to go to Catholic hospitals and schools one at a time with SWAT teams and remove the administrators just the same way and bring in their own people.

NERO DOMITIANVS DECIVS DIOCLETIANVS LICINIVS OBAMA IMP REX


105 posted on 02/11/2012 2:07:18 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: potlatch

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- Rubbing salt in the pansy wimp!

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106 posted on 02/11/2012 4:26:01 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - you can*t do that on WebTV - - - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: devolve

I’ll bet he comes and looks all the time...lol. I think it was a photoshopped image from the beginning - why else does the guy have 10 fingers on one hand?


107 posted on 02/11/2012 4:59:46 PM PST by potlatch
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To: potlatch

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I know the crazy lefties are quite upset by that image and linked audio

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108 posted on 02/11/2012 5:18:27 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - you can*t do that on WebTV - - - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
It's getting a little unnerving to read these types of threads here, when coming to find people of like mind on this issue, I'm increasingly feeling the opposite.

You can take it any way you like - this isn't a forum for you to accept what facts make you feel comfy and ignore those that do not.

I cannot read your mind as to why the fact that a majority of Catholics supported Obama (and voted for him) in 2008 upsets you so much. But the fact remains - Catholics voting Democrat get a large portion of the credit (or blame as it were) for this horrific band of tyrannical despots we now have in Washington.

Look at those numbers long and hard. Study them. Notice the massive difference in Evangelical vs. Catholic voting percentages. Why is this?

I use to be a Catholic, and I was surrounded by "loyal Democrat" Catholics who spoke about being "good Catholics" - but could care less what the Bible said. The ultimate authority for all morality is God, and the Bible is His word.

Perhaps you are uncomfortable being associated with millions of other voters who clearly lack common footing and are deceived by Obama and Democrats? If so, I think that is a good thing. I do applaud the Bishops finally standing up to Obama on this one issue, but my enthusiasm is muted for two reasons:

1. This is late to the game. Really - it took this long (and this issue) for their Community Organizer Love glasses to fog over?

2. If someone could not see through Obama in 2007/2008, they don't have the sense of discernment that God give us (Isaiah 8:19-20).

109 posted on 02/11/2012 5:24:32 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Notwithstanding
I feel the same about any sky pilot who would so cavalierly dismiss my “group”.

I am not sure I understand you. Are you defending Catholic Democrats because they are Catholic and therefore part of your "group"?

Senate Democrats: Mark Begich, Alaska; Joseph Biden, Delaware; Maria Cantwell, Washington; Robert P. Casey Jr., Pennsylvania; Christopher J. Dodd, Connecticut; Richard Durbin, Illinois; Tom Harkin, Iowa; Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts; John F. Kerry, Massachusetts; Mary Landrieu, Louisiana; Patrick J. Leahy, Vermont; Claire McCaskill, Missouri; Robert Menendez, New Jersey; Barbara Mikulski, Maryland; Patty Murray, Washington; Jack Reed, Rhode Island; and Ken Salazar, Colorado.

House Democrats: Jason Altmire, Pennsylvania; Michael A. Arcuri, New York; Joe Baca, California; Xavier Becerra, California; Timothy H. Bishop, New York; John Boccieri, Ohio; Robert Brady, Pennsylvania; Michael E. Capuano, Massachusetts; Dennis A. Cardoza, California; Christopher P. Carney, Pennsylvania; William Lacy Clay, Missouri; Gerald E. Connolly, Virginia; Jim Costa, California; Jerry F. Costello, Illinois; Joe Courtney, Connecticut; Joseph Crowley, New York; Henry Cuellar, Texas; Kathy Dahlkemper, Pennsylvania; Peter DeFazio, Oregon; William D. Delahunt, Massachusetts; Rosa L. DeLauro, Connecticut; John D. Dingell, Michigan; Joe Donnelly, Indiana; Michael F. Doyle, Pennsylvania; Steve Driehaus, Ohio; Brad Ellsworth, Indiana; Anna Eshoo, California; Kirsten E. Gillibrand, New York; Charlie Gonzalez, Texas; Raul M. Grijalva, Arizona; Luis V. Gutierrez, Illinois; John J. Hall, New York; Phil Hare, Illinois; Brian Higgins, New York; Maurice D. Hinchey, New York; Ruben Hinojosa, Texas; Tim Holden, Pennsylvania; and Paul Kanjorski, Pennsylvania. Marcy Kaptur, Ohio; Patrick J. Kennedy, Rhode Island; Dale E. Kildee, Michigan; Mary Jo Kilroy, Ohio; Ann Kirkpatrick, Arizona; Dennis J. Kucinich, Ohio; James R. Langevin, Rhode Island; John B. Larson, Connecticut; Daniel Lipinski, Illinois; Ben Ray Lujan, New Mexico; Stephen F. Lynch, Massachusetts; Dan Maffei, New York; Betsy Markey, Colorado; Ed Markey, Massachusetts; Jim Marshall, Georgia; Eric Massa, New York; Carolyn McCarthy, New York; Betty McCollum, Minnesota; James P. McGovern, Massachusetts; Michael E. McMahon, New York; Jerry McNerney, California; Charlie Melancon, Louisiana; Michael H. Michaud, Maine; George Miller, California; Harry E. Mitchell, Arizona; James P. Moran, Virginia; Patrick J. Murphy, Pennsylvania; and John P. Murtha, Pennsylvania. Grace F. Napolitano, California; Richard E. Neal, Massachusetts; James L. Oberstar, Minnesota; David R. Obey, Wisconsin; Frank Pallone, New Jersey; Bill Pascrell, New Jersey; Ed Pastor, Arizona; Nancy Pelosi, California; Tom Perriello, Virginia; Charles B. Rangel, New York; Silvestre Reyes, Texas; Ciro D. Rodriguez, Texas; Lucille Roybal-Allard, California; Tim Ryan, Ohio; John T. Salazar, Colorado; Linda T. Sanchez, California; Loretta Sanchez, California; Jose E. Serrano, New York; Joe Sestak, Pennsylvania; Carol Shea-Porter, New Hampshire; Albio Sires, New Jersey; Hilda L. Solis, California; Bart Stupak, Michigan; Ellen Tauscher, California; Gene Taylor, Mississippi; Mike Thompson, California; Paul Tonko, New York; Nydia M. Velazquez, New York; Peter J. Visclosky, Indiana; Diane E. Watson, California; Peter Welch, Vermont; and Charles A. Wilson, Ohio.

110 posted on 02/11/2012 5:31:58 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: devolve

It’s been around awhile.


111 posted on 02/11/2012 5:34:50 PM PST by potlatch
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To: potlatch

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There will be new ones for Obama’s college days -

Videos have surfaced.....

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112 posted on 02/11/2012 5:44:43 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - you can*t do that on WebTV - - - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: devolve

Brieitbart talks, but will he deliver. And why wait?


113 posted on 02/11/2012 5:58:46 PM PST by potlatch
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To: potlatch

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He gets on all the networks and cable shows

He has a drip-drip-drip style that builds and builds

You cannot buy that much TV and media exposure time or impact

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114 posted on 02/11/2012 6:13:33 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - you can*t do that on WebTV - - - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: devolve

Yeah, well I hope he drips out something we don’t already know. Look at the slideshows I have of Obama smoking dope!
I believe it’s something he’s saying or promoting when he was still in college.


115 posted on 02/11/2012 6:22:34 PM PST by potlatch
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To: potlatch

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That is what I heard - radical planning to take over

- Butt whut du eye no?

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116 posted on 02/11/2012 6:26:23 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - you can*t do that on WebTV - - - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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To: devolve

Only time will tell


117 posted on 02/11/2012 6:41:39 PM PST by potlatch
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To: raybbr
Not what you said -- I guess you're not big on "fine" distinctions.

You have to remember that the bishops take as a first premise that every human being conceived is made in the image and likeness of God, that God loves each of us immeasurably -- and expects us to aspire toward loving one another, that nations are provisional and temporary, while individuals last forever.

118 posted on 02/12/2012 6:15:26 AM PST by maryz
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To: SkyPilot

Stop being lame and dishonest: You dismissed all Catholics, not just the 54% you cited or the pols you listed. Such a dismissal is decidedly NOT the mark of a follower of Christ.


119 posted on 02/12/2012 11:24:08 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: maryz
Not what you said -- I guess you're not big on "fine" distinctions.

I'm guessing you didn't go to the link and read the whole testimony. I'm also guessing there is nothing I can post to open your eyes to the socialist/progressive ideology of the bishops.

You have to remember that the bishops take as a first premise that every human being conceived is made in the image and likeness of God, that God loves each of us immeasurably -- and expects us to aspire toward loving one another, that nations are provisional and temporary, while individuals last forever.

I know this. I also know the bishops don't care about sovereignty or borders. They also want taxpayers to subsidize, through "programs", the existing welfare state.

120 posted on 02/12/2012 4:33:57 PM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: SkyPilot
I never questioned the accuracy of your statements, just your motive.

I don't mind being associated "Catholics" who accept socialism, birth control and abortion because any such association would false and a creation of their own delusion.

Oh, and you and many others here make that asssociation as well.

That's the part I have trouble with.

121 posted on 02/12/2012 9:57:16 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Trailerpark Badass
I don't mind being associated "Catholics" who accept socialism, birth control and abortion because any such association would false and a creation of their own delusion.

Fair enough. I think I see your point. Since neither one of us agree with the liberal positions (which we both seem to agree are inherently evil), let's agree on that.

Thanks.

122 posted on 02/13/2012 1:17:55 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Notwithstanding
Stop being lame and dishonest: You dismissed all Catholics, not just the 54% you cited or the pols you listed. Such a dismissal is decidedly NOT the mark of a follower of Christ.

In my post #84 posted the names of all Democrat Catholics in the House and Senate, and said: "Now, you tell me: do you think these horrible people are following God's word, commandments, and law? Do you think they love and submit to Jesus Christ? No? Neither do I." I stand by that. These people are not my brothers and sisters in Christ. Do you really believe that these Obama and Liberal allies are standing up for the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Really? Good heavens - look at their actions, their statements, their votes, their defiance of God. Do you have ears? Do you have eyes?

Moreover, Christ Himself said this:

38“Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.” 39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 4o

Mark 9: 38-40

He also said a tree is known by it's fruit. I specifically cited these Democrats as not my brothers and sisters, and I stand by that. These "Catholic Democrats" are not on Christ's side. They are not on my side. Period. Dot.

What you tried to do is a standard liberal technique, which is twist something into the "but you said this" when I never said that in order to attempt to twist the debate in your favor.

Now, if you like, I can debate all of the problems I do have with Catholicism that are not Biblical (i.e. the church as the source of Salvation instead of Jesus, water baptism vs. baptism by faith, "infallibility" of the Pope, the veneration of Mary and her elevation as a co-redemmer and savior, transubstantiation, the sacraments vs. a personal faith in Jesus Christ, and other topics. On those, the Catholic church is on the wrong side of God's word.

123 posted on 02/13/2012 1:31:37 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Stop being lame and dishonest: You dismissed all Catholics, not just the 54% you cited or the pols you listed. Such a dismissal is decidedly NOT the mark of a follower of Christ.


124 posted on 02/14/2012 1:58:58 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Yes, his game is “lots of Catholics sin so Catholicism must be false, so if you are Catholic your religion is false”.

By that logic, Jesus was a fraud since every single one of his followers to this day is a scandalous sinner.


125 posted on 02/14/2012 2:04:34 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: SkyPilot

Hey sherlock, you effed up when you said this, which condems 46% of all Catholics by association:

“any group that would vote with 54% or so for a man like Barack Obama are not my brothers and sisters in Christ. No way.”

Stop pretending that your point is pure in any way.


126 posted on 02/14/2012 2:13:28 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Notwithstanding
Then you go right ahead and vote for these "Catholic Democrats" - because they are Catholic.

Like being "black" matters to Michelle Obama, it seems being "Catholics" is the only critieria you value anyway.

P.S. Stop telling people they "$%^& up" and other such things on the forum. It doesn't sell your stance very well.

127 posted on 02/14/2012 3:22:36 AM PST by SkyPilot
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Hey sherlock, you effed up when you said this, which condems 46% of all Catholics by association:

“any group that would vote with 54% or so for a man like Barack Obama are not my brothers and sisters in Christ. No way.”

Stop pretending that your point is pure in any way.

(and if a former Catholic who never read the catechism and the bible wants to blame that on someone besides himself, then that says a lot about that former Catholic)


128 posted on 02/14/2012 3:51:17 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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