American Catholicism’s Pact With the Devil

Ricochet.com ^ | February 10, 2012 | Paul A. Rahe

[KeyLargo]

Rush has been discussing this all day today by explaining that Cardinal Bernadin was the big pro Democratic church leader that sold out to the devil.

“In my lifetime, to my increasing regret, the Roman Catholic Church in the United States has lost much of its moral authority. It has done so largely because it has subordinated its teaching of Catholic moral doctrine to its ambitions regarding an expansion of the administrative entitlements state. In 1973, when the Supreme Court made its decision in Roe v. Wade, had the bishops, priests, and nuns screamed bloody murder and declared war, as they have recently done, the decision would have been reversed. Instead, under the leadership of Joseph Bernadin, the Cardinal-Archbishop of Chicago, they asserted that the social teaching of the Church was a “seamless garment,” and they treated abortion as one concern among many. Here is what Cardinal Bernadin said in the Gannon Lecture at Fordham University that he delivered in 1983:”

[jafojeffsurf]

Great article, I have been saying this and discussing things with my priest because he is hesitant to call evil and wrong just that. Still working on him and others about this and its importance of calling out evil in the light of day.

And this was all warned about so many times... see Fatima, Our Lady of Good Success, St Nilus, Thessalonians I… So many warnings beyond these...

God Bless

[Gumdrop]

Rush just eard this on his program. I listened and agreed with all of it. As a Catholic I remember well the esteem that the media and the church held for Cardinal Joseph Bernardin. I personally was always sceptical of his so-called “Seamless garment” nonsense. Yet many of the clergy sidestepped the abortion issue in order to get along with the worldly hedonism and then they justified it by telling t was a perfectly Christian thing to do. The then proceeded to convince themselves that voting for Democrats who are “Pro-Choice” was somehow an act of charity.

The idiocy of this notion can be dispelled by simply reading the gospel of the parable of the very poor widow who gave her last small coin to the charity box, and Jesus said, “This woman gave more than any of the others because she gave from her need.”

Folks, this is why it is so difficult for democracy to last very long. Not a lot of people can really evaluate right from wrong.

[MrB]

“Charity through government” is simply humanism creeping in and taking over Christianity. It’s apostasy.

The individual wants to feel good about himself as a good person. This is the essence of humanism.

And by mere ADVOCACY that “something be done” to help those in need, the individual feels good about himself as a good person. No sacrifice or work on the part of the individual is necessary, just advocacy.

[Gumdrop]

I think you are referring to Georgetown U. When the POTUS came to Georgetown, the WH requested they cover up the crucifixes, and the idiots a Georgetown did it. You would think that univertsity folks would understand human nature and totalitarianism better than that.

[goat granny]

thanks for the info....I thought N. Dame also did something similar...

[raybbr]

For what its worth, clicking past the catholic channel on TV I saw a priest on a talk show railing against Obama’s order as anti-catholic and anti-american. He was not much impressed by Obama’s “compromise”.

It ain't worth much. Except for the abortion and contraception part the Catholic bishops were for Obamacare.

[KeyLargo]

Did the Leaders of the Catholic Church Make a Deal with the Redistributionist Devil?

Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | February 13, 2012 | Rush Limbaugh

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2846086/posts

[GenXFreedomFighter]

I posted a link to the article on Facebook. Waiting now for the flames from my fellow Catholic friends who happen to be Obamunists.

[frogjerk]

I believe this is changing. Many Catholics in the U.S. are starting to awaken. Believe it or not, the Internet is a big reason why.

[Salvation]

Why didn’t you post the whole thing? It’s not a restricted site.

[Salvation]

On the current issue the Catholic Church is NOT in a pact with the devil at all.

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[Lorianne]

Stellar article!

Thanks for posting

[x]

Time for another one of my controversial posts that make everyone mad.

"Catholic social teaching" is best addressed by the European right wing (organicism, integralism, distributism, social credit, national syndicalism, corporatism, and ultimately fascism/falangism). Because the American right wing is relentlessly capitalist and (classical) liberal, the American Church had no one else to turn to but the Democrats.

Whatever "Catholic social teaching" meant in the 19th century, when it was associated with traditional monarchies, and whatever it meant in the early 20th century transitional period, when all political, social, and economic structures in Europe were shaky and everyone in Europe was going to extremes, since WWII it's generally been associated with the Christian Democratic parties, parties which tried to synthesize political democracy and what remained of traditional morality with the new institutions of the welfare state. Whatever that synthesis would be in American terms, in Europe faced with Communism and militant socialism it was a conservative project.

In postwar Germany and Italy, Christian Democratic parties have generally been the conservative parties. Not entirely, of course, there are a few small "liberal" parties that used to combine free market philosophy with middle class values, but in Germany, as in Britain, the liberal party (the Free Democrats in Germany) have tended to become more "liberal" in the American sense. Italy's Christian Democrats have pretty much collapsed since the end of the Cold War, and the remnants have joined the opposing left or right coalitions.

As for America, c'mon, really. You know about Prohibition. You know about immigration restriction. You probably know about Al Smith. You may know something of the public school wars of the 19th century. You know that the evangelicals of the day -- the Methodists and other denominations that have since become "mainstream" -- were the backbone of the Whigs and then the Republicans, and that they didn't much like the Irish or the Catholics or alcohol or festive German Sundays or even dancing. You know all that, but you take this down a totally different -- and much less justified -- road.

Now I agree that there's something in a pure free market ideology that doesn't fit in with Catholic social teaching. You might reflect on how well it fits in with the teaching of other religions. I don't know how things are now, but in the 60s, Catholics were less inclined to be ideological free marketeers, but also less inclined to be ideological socialists. It cut both ways. Maybe it was because American Catholics still felt a bit foreign here or maybe it was because they didn't have the idea that a single text or single idea could dictate what should be done in practice. But in any case the reasons why Catholics leaned to the Democrats for so long are quite different from what you want to believe now.

I gather you were a Catholic for a while and moved on. These aren't things you might have heard in church, but "cradle Catholics" -- whatever their current religious or political beliefs -- are aware of them.

[Zionist Conspirator]

As for America, c'mon, really. You know about Prohibition. You know about immigration restriction. You probably know about Al Smith. You may know something of the public school wars of the 19th century. You know that the evangelicals of the day -- the Methodists and other denominations that have since become "mainstream" -- were the backbone of the Whigs and then the Republicans, and that they didn't much like the Irish or the Catholics or alcohol or festive German Sundays or even dancing. You know all that, but you take this down a totally different -- and much less justified -- road.

I expected to make someone mad, but I don't quite know what I said that offended you. It was not my intention to say "Catholics are a bunch of fascist pigs" but merely to point out that there are European right wing traditions different from the American ones and that if they had been given that choice American Catholics might have never got roped into following the Democrat party wherever it went. As a matter of fact, there are national syndicalist and even falangist parties in the United States, but they represent a tradition that (unlike racism and Marxism) is totally alien to this country. I didn't say they were good or bad but just alien to capitalist vs. socialist America.

As for prohibition, that (as you well know) began as a left wing reform movement allied with women's rights, pacifism, prison reform, abolition, Fourierism, and other such causes. While it eventually moved to the right, to this day there are conservatives (and FReepers) who consider Prohibition a thoroughly left wing project. The same goes for the public school system, which began in effect teaching Evangelical Protestantism as the true religion (while claiming to be non-sectarian) but which now has become so anti-religious that Protestants have turned against it.

I gather you were a Catholic for a while and moved on. These aren't things you might have heard in church, but "cradle Catholics" -- whatever their current religious or political beliefs -- are aware of them.

My six year sojourn in the Catholic Church is well known here on FR. I sadly found out that the "universal church" isn't quite so universal, having little use for people from rural American Protestant Republican teetotaling backgrounds. Perhaps they should warn all prospective converts that only urban Democrats who still think they're persecuted Irish need apply.

I also spent four years in the John Birch Society which, after initially supporting Alexander Hamilton and the Federalists historically, eventually went full-blown Confederate (and probably Compact Theory) and now declares the Republican party an evil organization founded by Communists to destroy chrstian civilization by freeing all those Commie Negroes (who, if they really were Commies, should never have been imported into the South when reactionary rednecks would have picked cotton just as well) and elected the man the late Alan Stang called "the first Communist president" (the e--vil Abraham Lincoln). Of course never mind that this same John Birch Society constantly cheers for highly centralized regimes elsewhere (Franco Spain, Chiang China, Salazar Portugal, Papadopoulos Greece, etc.). Now the Republican party has been exposed as our nation's engine of destruction as opposed to the pure, sweet, sinless, spotless, immaculate Democrat party and its immaculately conceived hero Thomas Jefferson (who sympathized with Adam Weishaupt and the Illuminati while those "awful" Federalists were horrified).

In other words, I'm down to my last nerve with this Federalist/Whig/Republican bashing by my "betters," so please spare me the story of how Boss Tweed was actually a combination of Roland and El Cid. Okay?

Sorry. I'm not really mad at you, just tired.

[Mrs. Don-o]

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