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2/17/12 | Kartographer

Posted on 02/17/2012 1:00:17 PM PST by Kartographer

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To: EaglesNestHome

bttt


51 posted on 02/17/2012 3:42:17 PM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Uncle Ike; Kartographer
Good idea — At the very least, it’ll be a place for the scoffers and naysayers to hang out... ;)

Then we can have some fun....

52 posted on 02/17/2012 3:57:30 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Kartographer; TheSarce

Please add me to your ping list. Those tanks can also be cut and used to build an Aquaponics system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYFM7J_TpTU

This sounds fascinating and you can spend hours on youtube checking out Aquaponics for the homestead.

or the old backyard pool at www.gardenpool.org

And if you combine the Squarefoot garden layout with Aquaponics beds and fertilizer I think you can grow lots of food in smaller space.


53 posted on 02/17/2012 3:59:39 PM PST by The Bat Lady (Learn to grow your food, ...easiest "the square foot garden")
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To: MomwithHope
I found some small VERY BRIGHT solar powered LED flashlights.

Dunno about the brightness, but I found these on ebay - $5 each free shipping from Hong Kong.

Hand Crank Dynamo Solar Power LED Flashlight Torch LG

54 posted on 02/17/2012 3:59:53 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: libertarian27; Kartographer
If we are already on the prepper ping list do we need to request being on this weekly thread too or are we good to go? (If we need to request being on this weekly ping- I request [holding up my hand])

Likewise.

And it looks like business if good for kartographer. Lots of new additions.

55 posted on 02/17/2012 4:00:16 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Oatka
I've been buying small led flashlights from Tractor Supply for $1.99USD. They are better light than some of my D-cell flashlights. I actually threw away some of my D-cell flashlights and replaced them with these. They have a metal case, and o-ring seal for the battery compartment.

/johnny

56 posted on 02/17/2012 4:26:25 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

Before people start making preparations, they should sit down and work out just what threats they face, the seriousness of the threat and likelihood of occurrence. What I’ve done goes like this, first break them down between natural and man-made threats -
Storms
Hurricanes
Ice Storms
Earthquakes,
etc

Man made
War
Civil disturbances
crime
terrorism
Nuclear war,
etc.

Then do some research on WHAT to expect. No use planning for a blizzard if you are in Florida. No use planning for a hurricane if you are in Montana.

Next, look at the history - how severe have those events been and what scale of and kinds of disruptions occurred. For example, in my case flooding is not a concern - I am well above even a 500 year flood plain (fact is if flood waters reach my door, there would have been a large boat built by a guy named Noah floating near by). However, 1997 floods shut down highways and limited railroads and associated storms caused power outages.

FInally, give a swag at what percentage chance of occurrence. In California, seismic is big, but not so much where I live. USGS has a tool here

http://eqint.cr.usgs.gov/eqprob/2002/

That allows you to plot % chance of earthquake by size over a user set period within 50km (or your choice). My plot shows I have a 15% chance of a quake greater than mag. 5.0 within 50km A 5 range won’t do too much damage. It drops to 3% for greater than 6.0. Other places are not so lucky.

Finally, threat analysis as to the necessary preparations. What are the practical preparation steps to take. Generally this has been a balance between beans, bullets and bandaids. I think people should think through their needs and not buy into the years supply of food with a mini-arsenal of guns, and a concrete bunker in Idaho. Everyone is not able to devote the resources to such preparations and I think it has a reverse effect to discourage people from common sense planning. You have to make the assessment and own your preparations and use the bizallion lists and recommendations out there as a guide.

In my case this means an initial 30 stock of food into a pantry being rotated as necessary, improving home security and adding arms and ammo, developing a longer term medical supply 30-90 days roughly to handle things if the compost hits the mixer. I have initial bug out routes and destinations selected and mapped with instructions. I’ve updated property insurance, etc.


57 posted on 02/17/2012 4:27:42 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Kartographer

I gotta tell ya MapMaker, your Ping List is really gaining a lot of new members. Obviously, the NatGeo series is one of the reasons. Despite the fact that they seem to be doing everything to make Preppers look like idiots, the Cognescenti are coming around.

Keep up the good work.


58 posted on 02/17/2012 5:04:37 PM PST by Paisan
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To: sneakers

sneakers, can you ping our list this way?!


59 posted on 02/17/2012 5:08:59 PM PST by Ladysmith (The evil that's happening in this country is the cancer of socialism...It kills the human spirit.)
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To: patton
the water in the toilet tank is drinkable.

You can even, according to my dog, drink the water in the toilet bowl. If really thirsty you can empty it out.

60 posted on 02/17/2012 5:16:29 PM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: patton

There are better sources. Depending on level of activity and weather you need at least 3 gallons a day per person.


61 posted on 02/17/2012 5:46:20 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer
Timely ping. I just found this while perusing other wood cutting equipment. I have two other weighted vertical splitters, but this one from LogmaticUSA looks to be superior.



I having been looking at different "power out" type of wood gathering equipment. Splits are a necessary chore for controlling smaller wood stove outputs.
62 posted on 02/17/2012 6:16:46 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: driftdiver

bttt


63 posted on 02/17/2012 6:21:55 PM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: scottteng
A question the above site has a limited selection of dehydrated vegies at very good prices does anyone have other sources for bulk dehydrated vegies not the packed in can Mormon style ones but in plastic 1LB bags?

I have used Harmony House Foods.
64 posted on 02/17/2012 6:22:29 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Ladysmith; PennsylvaniaMom; prisoner6; stimpy17; Gosh I love this neighborhood; GregB; ...

Thanks for the ping LadySmith! I know some of you have expressed an interest. This is a one-time ping to let you know about Kartographer’s weekly thread!


65 posted on 02/17/2012 6:47:56 PM PST by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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To: Kartographer

Please add me to the ping list. I have beeen hoping for something like this. KUDOS


66 posted on 02/17/2012 6:59:31 PM PST by SwampFoxOfVa
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To: scottteng; ChocChipCookie

What I started doing which is MUCH cheaper is I brought a dehydrator and dehydrate my own. I great frozen vegetables when they are on sale and they are all ready for the dehydrator then I vacuum seal them in canning jars! chocchipcookie has plenty of info on her Survival Mom site and there is a section in my Preparedness Manual on both dehydrating as well as vacuum canning.

http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf


67 posted on 02/17/2012 6:59:38 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: sneakers

Still sick from the flu I’ve had for the past two days. Makes this tough because I want to do some prepping but just don’t have much energy right now.


68 posted on 02/17/2012 7:00:43 PM PST by Ladysmith (The evil that's happening in this country is the cancer of socialism...It kills the human spirit.)
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To: sneakers

I’m in!


69 posted on 02/17/2012 7:11:06 PM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Godzilla
Your list doesn't include personal economic collapse. I used up about 2 years worth of stored food after 2008. Sometimes, the disaster you face may be your own personal disaster. I was grateful that I had the food put by.

/johnny

70 posted on 02/17/2012 7:54:32 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Oatka

That looks good too, although I’m not sure why you would you need the hand crank. Thanks.


71 posted on 02/17/2012 7:58:21 PM PST by MomwithHope
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To: Oatka

That looks good too, although I’m not sure why you would you need the hand crank. Thanks.


72 posted on 02/17/2012 7:58:46 PM PST by MomwithHope
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To: JRandomFreeper
Your list doesn't include personal economic collapse.

The stuff off my list could fill a book and it wasn't intended to be all inclusive. Personal disasters are valid too - it is just that everyone needs to assess their needs.

73 posted on 02/17/2012 8:30:02 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Kartographer

Ping


74 posted on 02/17/2012 8:41:54 PM PST by wyokostur
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To: driftdiver

I have heard that 3 gal/day/pers number before, but I have to tell you, it is crap.

I didn’t use that much water as a young paratrooper out in the desert.

And believe me, it was hot, and we were REALLY active.


75 posted on 02/17/2012 9:55:15 PM PST by patton ("Je pense donc je suis," - My Horse.)
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To: Fishtalk

According to a young Leutenant I helped raise, you actually can drink the water in the toilet bowl.

Of course, I had to stop him from jumping off the roof, once, right onto a tree stump buried in the snow.


76 posted on 02/17/2012 10:05:04 PM PST by patton ("Je pense donc je suis," - My Horse.)
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To: patton
I have heard that 3 gal/day/pers number before, but I have to tell you, it is crap.

Sorry. I have to take exception to you here. I worked as a sub for ARAMCO in Kingdom for 5 years. The recommendation was 5 gallons a day per person. I did 4 gallons myself. Granted, interior temps reached 140F, but that was my mileage. Three (3) gallons is a safe number. There is nothing wrong with the margin. YMMV.
77 posted on 02/18/2012 12:30:17 AM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: patton

I live in Florida, not really a desert but its hot.

Its easy to use 3 gal per day. Drinking, cooking, and basic washing. So I disagree.


78 posted on 02/18/2012 2:59:45 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: prisoner6

Hiya p6! Cool!


79 posted on 02/18/2012 4:22:21 AM PST by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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To: PA Engineer

Thank you for your response. I have seen the Harmony House web site I was kind of seeking something lower priced for example 1lb of spinach flakes from S.F. Herbs is $6.85 and 18 oz bottle from H.H. is $29.95
The pepper comparison is even worse.


80 posted on 02/18/2012 4:22:46 AM PST by scottteng (Tax government employees til they quit and find something useful to do)
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To: Fishtalk

OK, I almost spit coffee all over this laptop on that one.


81 posted on 02/18/2012 5:04:50 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: PA Engineer

ok, at 140, I can see it. But it don’t get that hot around here.

Sheez, at least we had AC in Eskan.


82 posted on 02/18/2012 5:48:37 AM PST by patton ("Je pense donc je suis," - My Horse.)
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To: driftdiver

We take two 5-gal jerry cans to the cabin, for five people, for a four-day weekend, and rarely run out.

Of course, we are suplimenting with other beverages...

There are two springs on the propeerty, but I would boil the water before drinking it.


83 posted on 02/18/2012 6:04:29 AM PST by patton ("Je pense donc je suis," - My Horse.)
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To: Kartographer

Please add me to the ping list.


84 posted on 02/18/2012 7:41:34 AM PST by georgiabelle
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To: Kartographer

These plastic containers should be pretty thick plastic, right? We have some locally without the cages. I wouldn’t think the cages are necessary but not sure. Opinions?


85 posted on 02/18/2012 7:53:14 AM PST by Ladysmith (The evil that's happening in this country is the cancer of socialism...It kills the human spirit.)
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To: JRandomFreeper; MomwithHope
I've been buying small led flashlights from Tractor Supply for $1.99USD.
Thanks. Will check it out.

MH: Not being a smartazz re: hand crank, but maybe as a backup when you can't get device in the sun.

86 posted on 02/18/2012 8:21:15 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Ladysmith

I think the cages are added as protection during shipping. I see such tanks in use by landscapers, mobile pressure washers all the time without the cages.


87 posted on 02/18/2012 10:11:22 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Kartographer- Again, you come through!! Thanks for the thread and the many other great thoughts and ideas you have had on this!


88 posted on 02/18/2012 2:48:12 PM PST by 4everontheRight (And the story began with..."Once there was a great nation......")
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bttt


89 posted on 02/18/2012 4:18:57 PM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: sneakers

Thank you. Still want a FB closed group for us Q and R’s


90 posted on 02/18/2012 6:54:42 PM PST by GregB (I will follow Sarah where ever she goes!)
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To: Kartographer; scottteng; ChocChipCookie; A. Morgan

Concerning dehydrating vs canning vs freezing. I’m considering which one I should apply more. Canning is great as long as there is heat during the winter. Freezing is great as long as there is power. I’m starting to see that storing dehydrated food might be the best bet in quite a few situations.

So I’m rather curious - I imagine you’re applying all three methods but are you likely to dehydrate first if feasible?


91 posted on 02/18/2012 7:39:22 PM PST by Ladysmith (The evil that's happening in this country is the cancer of socialism...It kills the human spirit.)
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To: Ladysmith

I think this may be of some help in coming to the answer that’s right for you, or for certain cases:

Which Saves the Most Money – Dehydrating, Freezing or Canning?

http://tinyurl.com/74o4z9q


92 posted on 02/18/2012 8:07:40 PM PST by A. Morgan (Ayn Rand: "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.")
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To: A. Morgan

Interesting comments/discussions on that link. Others’ experiences are really helpful. One that caught my eye was temporarily freezing a few tomatoes until there are enough to can a batch.


93 posted on 02/18/2012 9:25:22 PM PST by Ladysmith (The evil that's happening in this country is the cancer of socialism...It kills the human spirit.)
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To: Ladysmith

As for me I have a mix of commercially canned foods and dehydrated. I now dehydrate much of my own as I can.


94 posted on 02/18/2012 9:28:45 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: GregB

I agree GB.


95 posted on 02/19/2012 4:01:34 AM PST by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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To: sneakers

OK KD.


96 posted on 02/19/2012 1:41:47 PM PST by GregB (I will follow Sarah where ever she goes!)
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To: Kartographer

Please add me to the ping list. Thank you! :)


97 posted on 02/21/2012 9:35:26 AM PST by daisy mae for the usa
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To: Kartographer; sneakers
Could you please add me to your ping list??

Thanks sneakers for the ping on this thread!!

98 posted on 02/26/2012 2:15:25 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: RSmithOpt

Your welcome! Check your mail!


99 posted on 02/26/2012 4:39:16 AM PST by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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To: Kartographer

Please add me to your list


100 posted on 06/16/2012 10:35:28 AM PDT by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
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