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Rick Santorum and more: How social issues intruded on 2012 campaign
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | February 18th, 2012 | Brad Knickerbocker

Posted on 02/18/2012 2:02:47 PM PST by Mariner

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I would much rather debate the size and scope of the federal government, debt, spending, national security and jobs. I know other think this is the fight to have. I disagree.

This is all Santorum will have the opportunity to address.

1 posted on 02/18/2012 2:02:52 PM PST by Mariner
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Yeah, those pesky little “social” issues. Like imposing same-sex “marriage” on everyone, unleashing unlimited drug use on society, murdering millions of babies in the womb, and taking our guns. How DARE they!


2 posted on 02/18/2012 2:06:08 PM PST by fwdude
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I haven’t heard Santorum talking much about guns. Last I heard from him on guns he voted for the Lautenberg Amendment.


3 posted on 02/18/2012 2:08:29 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner; potlatch; PhilDragoo; bitt

As Saul Alinsky taught, it’s all about the foe’s reaction. 0’s team is playing advanced chess while we’re fighting over the checkerboard.


4 posted on 02/18/2012 2:08:44 PM PST by ntnychik
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When we are talking about abortion, pills and condoms. Instead of gas prices, jobs and debt. Obama wins.


5 posted on 02/18/2012 2:09:05 PM PST by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else (Maybe Tim Thomas))
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"Like imposing same-sex “marriage” on everyone"

Those fights are at the state level, not the Federal level.

6 posted on 02/18/2012 2:09:48 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Social issues, fiscal issues...all extra-constitutional issues are still agenda-driven extra-constitutional issues. Article one, section eight enumerate the powers which the federal government holds. It is the electorates inability to enforce the constitution that has led to our drain-circling reality.


7 posted on 02/18/2012 2:11:48 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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Those fights are at the state level, not the Federal level.

Where do you live? And it which decade?

California's Prop 8 was just tried in two FEDERAL courts. Several lawsuits, IN FEDERAL COURT, are attacking DOMA.

Wake up!!!

8 posted on 02/18/2012 2:13:25 PM PST by fwdude
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There is the truth an then there is the TRUTH. For the Democrats, social and fiscal issues are ONE. Take a look at Obamacare as an example.

Until our side realizes the same, we are bound to lose. You cannot win the culture war and the fight for America until you realize this fact. Fiscal issues are not enough. Dems know it, why don’t we?

Think about it.


9 posted on 02/18/2012 2:14:17 PM PST by dforest
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If Santorum has limited 2nd Amendment rights, then shame on him; excoriate him for it.

I'm talking about issues.

10 posted on 02/18/2012 2:15:22 PM PST by fwdude
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Every issue is a social (moral) issue. That some think we have to parse them shows that Alinski has been successful.


11 posted on 02/18/2012 2:17:18 PM PST by fwdude
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‘Last I heard from him on guns he voted for the Lautenberg Amendment.’
Really? Lautenberg is the most anti-gun liberal in NJ. Santorum voted for Lautenberg amendment?
So much for ‘conservative Santorum’!

Sounds like Santorum is another ‘severely’ conservative Romney


12 posted on 02/18/2012 2:19:20 PM PST by chrisnj
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"tried in two FEDERAL courts"

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this, but my understanding on the Federal Prop 8 cases is that the Feds are not adjudicating in any way the merits of the cases at hand.

I believe 1 of the cases was over whether the public domain donor list could be published (it was ruled "yes") and the other over whether the presiding State Judge should have recused himself because he was a homo.

On suits against DOMA, clearly valid. The Feds have no authority under the Constitution to tell the States how to address or define Marriage.

If you want a law against homo "marriage" that applies nationwide, it will require a Constitutional Amendment.

Oh, I BELIEVE (again, could be wrong here) that it was a California Court that attempted to overturn Prop 8.

13 posted on 02/18/2012 2:21:26 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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15 posted on 02/18/2012 2:24:12 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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Somehow I get the notion the "media hot topics" will not alter "The Speakers" course. The man has the ability to stay focused and on topic.
Shove the 21st Century Contract With America down their throats.
Personally I cast but the slightest glance at topics that are obviously there to cover for the completely inept Administration and Senate we are enduring.

This administration has a litany of both immoral and illegal acts on the dockets.
I suppose, given their recent penchant to go viral with their blatant socialistic policies, this is their 2012 gameplan; sling so much $HîT the electorate can't possibly see clear to the real issues.

16 posted on 02/18/2012 2:25:00 PM PST by bksanders (Old Gets Older the Older I Get)
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"Another anti Rick post from this obvious Paid troll from the left coast !"

ncalburt attacks the messenger again, seems that's all he has at this point.

Look at my 13 year posting history and come and tell me where you find any indication that I support Paul or Romney.

You are the one spreading lies and attacking other Freepers.

17 posted on 02/18/2012 2:26:26 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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If we’re savvy these social issues lead nicely into size and scope of gov’t. Forcing birth control on people? It’s not w/in the scope of what gov’t is supposed to do. Gov’t dictating healthcare options? We don’t have the money to fund all the people necessary to outfit the bureaucracy. Rather than trying to figure out what drugs need to be covered, shouldn’t we be trying to figure out how to keep Iran from making atomic weapons.

It’s true our side needs to focus on staying on message. That doesn’t preclude addressing social issues.


18 posted on 02/18/2012 2:27:18 PM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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Yes, the Speaker could handle these diversions easily.


19 posted on 02/18/2012 2:28:24 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Oh, I BELIEVE (again, could be wrong here) that it was a California Court that attempted to overturn Prop 8.

Oh, you are DEAD wrong. The State case has been over since 2009, and found Prop 8 valid. It wasn't until the sodomites broke state boundaries and had it tried in a sympathetic federal court that the State's rights were left behind. Now the 9th Circus just got through with it, and it's on to the Supreme Court.

I can't believe you are this uninformed, perhaps willfully. How does the sand taste?

20 posted on 02/18/2012 2:30:09 PM PST by fwdude
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