Skip to comments.TO HELL WITH AFGHANISTAN
Posted on 02/27/2012 5:24:35 AM PST by shortstop
Kiss it good bye.
Its time to pack the truck and leave these savages to themselves.
Adios Afghanistan. Screw you very much.
After a decade of our blood and treasure being poured into their hellhole, our allies are our enemies, Afghanistan is still a sewer, and there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
We won in Afghanistan years ago we deposed the Taliban and chased out Al Qaida and since then weve been spilling our blood for people who hate us, throwing our money at people who rob us, and destabilizing our future for a nation that isnt a nation.
Its time to case the colors and come home.
Afghanistan II is Obamas Iraq and it didnt work. We have learned yet again that nation building is a fools errand, that you cant impose civilization on an uncivilized people, and that the only country we should be underwriting is the United States of America.
Over the weekend, in some crap hole of a government ministry building, completely paid for by the American taxpayer, one of our dear allies opened up on two of our officers. One more in an interminable line of good guys getting greased by our coalition partners.
Weve been training them for a decade. Weve been supplying them with bullets and beans, but we cant buy them brains. And we cant buy them consciences, and we cant buy them out of the Dark Ages which engulf that whole region.
Our entire operating premise to win hearts and minds is failed. It is ill-conceived and doomed. From the jungles of Vietnam to the back alleys of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, we cant kiss enough arse, we cant write enough checks, we cant issue enough apologies. We will never win a war by groveling for peace.
Because, no matter what the generals say, its not about building schools and clinics. Its not about putting in wells and wires, its about killing the other guy and breaking the will of his society.
Its about blowing him to hell and leaving the next guy shaking in his boots so bad that he throws down his gun and runs. Peace is on the other side of victory, and victory comes from smashing the living snot out of any person, nation, culture, tribe, organization or religion that dares look at you cross-eyed.
The last general who understood that was a guy named Patton. The last president was his commander in chief, Franklin Roosevelt.
Since then, from Korea to Kandahar, we have fought in half measures, tethered by inanities called rules of engagement, lacking the national will to claim victory, much less do what is necessary to secure it. We have had the best warriors, and the worst leaders, from political generals to castrato presidents. We have won on the battlefield and lost in the conference room, and an unfolding era of technology and legality traps our warriors between enemies in the front and referees in the back. Our GIs can survive the battlefield, but not the courtroom, and the lessons of history lie ignored while we dissipate our national security in undeclared, unnecessary wars.
Its time to come home.
Because if some accidentally burned books turns this entire society against us, if a decades investment has not bought us any good will or them any good sense, then its not worthwhile. Its not working. Their military and police are fools in starched uniforms, lacking both discipline and basic intelligence. Afghanistan is today no more a stable, modern nation than it was before the first American arrived in late 2001.
We tried. It didnt work. Screw em. Lets come home.
Or lets be men and kick in the afterburners.
Either roll some thunder across this opium-growing cesspool and get these savages attention, or kiss the whole mess good bye. Simply put: Go big, or go home.
Be a superpower, or be a spectator, but dont keep bleeding our military by dithering in the no-mans-land in between. The question of life is Is you is, or is you aint? And, in Afghanistan, we aint.
And we shouldnt be there.
The last week has shown us that.
We must robustly defend our nation and our national interests. We must have a strong defense and the grit to use it.
And we must stay out of the quicksand.
To hell with Afghanistan.
What the hell are you talking about?
You obviously know nothing about the international financial system. Wars are for making money....period!
[ We have been trying to reuse the Marshall Plan model for decades. While it frequently works, it doesnt always. It seems that the majority of the Afghan people want to keep living the way their ancestors did 1000 years ago. Fine. ]
Nation building only works when the nation your are rebuilding is within 1/2 a century apart in terms of “level of civilisation”. The wider the gap the more difficult the prospect of nation building and when that gap gets to be over 500 years it becomes practically impossible unless the people you are occupying actually WANT to advance their civilisation.
[ AND where oh where are Cindy Sheehan, Code Pink, et al. protesting all of these deaths as they did when Bush was President?????? ))))crickets(((( ]
Some of them still are, but since their usefullness as useful idiots is no longer “en vogue” they are ignored my ALL the MSM news.
Just cancel his ticket for the last helicopter, and nature will take its course.
In about five minutes.
See what happened to the last one.
“From the jungles of Vietnam “
We did just fine there. What we lost to were the hippies, liberals, and Walter Cronkite claiming “The war is lost” after the Tet of ‘68 when actually the viet Cong got demolished during Tet and we took significant advances.
We won abroad, we lost at home.
I was watching a CBS special on youtube awhile ago done right after the La Drang valley battle - our first major battle. (We Were Soldiers once and Young).
They talked about the battle, the historic nature of the helicopters, our victory, and our casualties. And at that end it had some comment like “It remains to be seen how the mothers and fathers and the American public will react to the growing numbers of dead and wounded of its young men in this faraway country.” I don’t recall the exact wording, but it was something very defeatist like this. I was only six at the time, and thought the anti-war press only happened after awhile - not after the first battle!
All good questions. All reasonable arguments. But I don’t remember anyone here bringing them up when Bush started pouring blood and treasure down the rathole. Go figure.
We didn’t win. No one has won Afghanistan from Alexander the Great on.
The only way to win is to kill them all, and repopulate. Alexander tried that, and it didn’t work to well.
Simply put, we need to stay out of Asia and the middle east. We can’t make them love or think like us. We need to realize that they truly don’t want to be like us, and never will.
Good points, except for the fact we are not fighting WWII. Our infrastructure is very weak. They don't have to bomb New York, just blow up a few pipe lines. They don't need a carrier battle group, just start shooting up malls. All the drones in the world won't protect the pilots when they clock out at night and get shot at a McDonalds.
We are entrenched in fighting the Nazi's, when we need to remember how we fought the Indians.
“We have to stay. Al Qaida will move right back in if we leave.”
No. We need to adapt a policy of scheduled maintenance. Nuke the place every five years to keep things “hot”.
“At the end of the fight is a tombstone white/with the name of the late deceased/and the epitaph drear ‘’A fool lies here/who tried to hustle the East’’.- Kipling.
1). You’re a troll
2). You think wars are fought for political reasons(i.e. national pride)
3). Petrodollar hedgemony(US troops....big stick)
4). Central banks of the western economies are not the same as the Bilderbergers.....idiot
5). All conspiracies...are stupid.
6). There are news sources other than Fox and thier brethern in the MSM.
Apologies for the double post. Computer memory fart or something.
Try the decaf awhile . . . oh, and gfy.
Israel isn’t the best way to do it. They are winning all the battles and loosing the long war.
They are in trouble for the same reason we are, they are trying very hard to be nice in a place where that doesn’t work, and they are at the end of a long supply chain.
Israel is going to have to decide what to do soon. They are out numbered and running out of options.
What does Israel’s foreign policy have to do with preventing domestic terrorism?
If you recall, Israel had a problem with Muslim lighting up school yards and shopping malls. They instituted a domestic policy that scared the living s**t out of every Muslim allowed to live within their borders.
We can't wall off the areas the attacks could come from, the US is to spread out.
When one side starts playing asymmetric warfare, it the more powerful side is stuck. To win, they have to hit hard, which will only turn the target population against them, causing more unrest.
To truly win, you either eliminate the enemy culture, or move them to a more controlled area. Look at what we did with the Indians. It was horrible, but it worked.
“The Obama administrations increasing reliance on special operations forces with a stagnant budget has sparked concern among the elite units that they will be asked to do too much with too little.
The forces will be conducting missions in 120 countries by years end, up from about 75 currently. This activity is increasing as the U.S. Special Operations Commands budget is set to remain flat.”
Get out, flat out, stay out.
I would destroy their center of gravity starting with Mecca.
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