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TO HELL WITH AFGHANISTAN
boblonsberry.com ^ | 02/27/12 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 02/27/2012 5:24:35 AM PST by shortstop

Kiss it good bye.

It’s time to pack the truck and leave these savages to themselves.

Adios Afghanistan. Screw you very much.

After a decade of our blood and treasure being poured into their hellhole, our allies are our enemies, Afghanistan is still a sewer, and there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

We won in Afghanistan years ago – we deposed the Taliban and chased out Al Qaida – and since then we’ve been spilling our blood for people who hate us, throwing our money at people who rob us, and destabilizing our future for a nation that isn’t a nation.

It’s time to case the colors and come home.

Afghanistan II is Obama’s Iraq and it didn’t work. We have learned yet again that nation building is a fool’s errand, that you can’t impose civilization on an uncivilized people, and that the only country we should be underwriting is the United States of America.

Over the weekend, in some crap hole of a government ministry building, completely paid for by the American taxpayer, one of our dear allies opened up on two of our officers. One more in an interminable line of good guys getting greased by our coalition partners.

We’ve been training them for a decade. We’ve been supplying them with bullets and beans, but we can’t buy them brains. And we can’t buy them consciences, and we can’t buy them out of the Dark Ages which engulf that whole region.

Our entire operating premise – to win hearts and minds – is failed. It is ill-conceived and doomed. From the jungles of Vietnam to the back alleys of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, we can’t kiss enough arse, we can’t write enough checks, we can’t issue enough apologies. We will never win a war by groveling for peace.

Because, no matter what the generals say, it’s not about building schools and clinics. It’s not about putting in wells and wires, it’s about killing the other guy and breaking the will of his society.

It’s about blowing him to hell and leaving the next guy shaking in his boots so bad that he throws down his gun and runs. Peace is on the other side of victory, and victory comes from smashing the living snot out of any person, nation, culture, tribe, organization or religion that dares look at you cross-eyed.

The last general who understood that was a guy named Patton. The last president was his commander in chief, Franklin Roosevelt.

Since then, from Korea to Kandahar, we have fought in half measures, tethered by inanities called “rules of engagement,” lacking the national will to claim victory, much less do what is necessary to secure it. We have had the best warriors, and the worst leaders, from political generals to castrato presidents. We have won on the battlefield and lost in the conference room, and an unfolding era of technology and legality traps our warriors between enemies in the front and referees in the back. Our GIs can survive the battlefield, but not the courtroom, and the lessons of history lie ignored while we dissipate our national security in undeclared, unnecessary wars.

It’s time to come home.

Because if some accidentally burned books turns this entire society against us, if a decade’s investment has not bought us any good will or them any good sense, then it’s not worthwhile. It’s not working. Their military and police are fools in starched uniforms, lacking both discipline and basic intelligence. Afghanistan is today no more a stable, modern nation than it was before the first American arrived in late 2001.

We tried. It didn’t work. Screw ‘em. Let’s come home.

Or let’s be men and kick in the afterburners.

Either roll some thunder across this opium-growing cesspool and get these savages’ attention, or kiss the whole mess good bye. Simply put: Go big, or go home.

Be a superpower, or be a spectator, but don’t keep bleeding our military by dithering in the no-man’s-land in between. The question of life is “Is you is, or is you ain’t?” And, in Afghanistan, we ain’t.

And we shouldn’t be there.

The last week has shown us that.

Again.

We must robustly defend our nation and our national interests. We must have a strong defense and the grit to use it.

And we must stay out of the quicksand.

To hell with Afghanistan.


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To: BilLies
Remember the "nightly death toll" counts? I sure as hell do. I recall a morbid graphic on the evening alphabet news with 1000 in red ominous font. Every single night we were reminded of our troops sacrifices but more over, the left wing media trouncing President Bush as though he personally killed a 1000 troops.
51 posted on 02/27/2012 7:34:23 AM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: tomkat

What the hell are you talking about?
You obviously know nothing about the international financial system. Wars are for making money....period!


52 posted on 02/27/2012 8:01:26 AM PST by free from tyranny
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To: rbg81

[ We have been trying to reuse the “Marshall Plan” model for decades. While it frequently works, it doesn’t always. It seems that the majority of the Afghan people want to keep living the way their ancestors did 1000 years ago. Fine. ]

Nation building only works when the nation your are rebuilding is within 1/2 a century apart in terms of “level of civilisation”. The wider the gap the more difficult the prospect of nation building and when that gap gets to be over 500 years it becomes practically impossible unless the people you are occupying actually WANT to advance their civilisation.


53 posted on 02/27/2012 8:10:30 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Polyxene

[ AND where oh where are Cindy Sheehan, Code Pink, et al. protesting all of these deaths as they did when Bush was President?????? ))))crickets(((( ]

Some of them still are, but since their usefullness as useful idiots is no longer “en vogue” they are ignored my ALL the MSM news.


54 posted on 02/27/2012 8:12:03 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Dr. Thorne
Can we hang Karzai before we leave?

Unnecessary effort.

Just cancel his ticket for the last helicopter, and nature will take its course.

In about five minutes.

See what happened to the last one.

55 posted on 02/27/2012 8:14:25 AM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: shortstop

“From the jungles of Vietnam “

We did just fine there. What we lost to were the hippies, liberals, and Walter Cronkite claiming “The war is lost” after the Tet of ‘68 when actually the viet Cong got demolished during Tet and we took significant advances.

We won abroad, we lost at home.


56 posted on 02/27/2012 8:19:44 AM PST by CodeToad (NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!)
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To: CodeToad

I was watching a CBS special on youtube awhile ago done right after the La Drang valley battle - our first major battle. (We Were Soldiers once and Young).

They talked about the battle, the historic nature of the helicopters, our victory, and our casualties. And at that end it had some comment like “It remains to be seen how the mothers and fathers and the American public will react to the growing numbers of dead and wounded of its young men in this faraway country.” I don’t recall the exact wording, but it was something very defeatist like this. I was only six at the time, and thought the anti-war press only happened after awhile - not after the first battle!


57 posted on 02/27/2012 8:28:39 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: rollo tomasi

All good questions. All reasonable arguments. But I don’t remember anyone here bringing them up when Bush started pouring blood and treasure down the rathole. Go figure.


58 posted on 02/27/2012 8:41:56 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: shortstop

We didn’t win. No one has won Afghanistan from Alexander the Great on.

The only way to win is to kill them all, and repopulate. Alexander tried that, and it didn’t work to well.

Simply put, we need to stay out of Asia and the middle east. We can’t make them love or think like us. We need to realize that they truly don’t want to be like us, and never will.


59 posted on 02/27/2012 9:08:18 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: rollo tomasi
How much of a military threat is Al Qaida anyway? How many Aircraft Carriers do they have? What is their nuclear range? In fact, how many nukes do they have? Pakistan? China will never let Al Qaida get near their pathetic arsenal. What is Al Qaida's AF comprised of btw?

Good points, except for the fact we are not fighting WWII. Our infrastructure is very weak. They don't have to bomb New York, just blow up a few pipe lines. They don't need a carrier battle group, just start shooting up malls. All the drones in the world won't protect the pilots when they clock out at night and get shot at a McDonalds.

We are entrenched in fighting the Nazi's, when we need to remember how we fought the Indians.

60 posted on 02/27/2012 9:18:34 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Wolfie

Bump


61 posted on 02/27/2012 9:20:31 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Wolfie

“We have to stay. Al Qaida will move right back in if we leave.”

No. We need to adapt a policy of scheduled maintenance. Nuke the place every five years to keep things “hot”.


62 posted on 02/27/2012 10:54:08 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TexasRepublic
"Nuke the place every five years to keep things 'hot'."
63 posted on 02/27/2012 10:57:20 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: silverleaf

“At the end of the fight is a tombstone white/with the name of the late deceased/and the epitaph drear ‘’A fool lies here/who tried to hustle the East’’.- Kipling.


64 posted on 02/27/2012 11:23:41 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: redgolum
How does Israel deal with and prevent domestic terrorism?

First Muslim that shoots up a shopping mall will ignite hatred and distrust to any Muslim living in the United States regardless of the "diversity is god" crowd attempting to control thought.

Point stands, the fly paper strategy is not worth the monumental resources that are wasted.
65 posted on 02/27/2012 12:01:25 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: tomkat

P.S.
1). You’re a troll
2). You think wars are fought for political reasons(i.e. national pride)
3). Petrodollar hedgemony(US troops....big stick)
4). Central banks of the western economies are not the same as the Bilderbergers.....idiot
5). All conspiracies...are stupid.
6). There are news sources other than Fox and thier brethern in the MSM.


66 posted on 02/27/2012 12:09:09 PM PST by free from tyranny
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To: Wolfie
I understand your point.

Never was a fan of the Kennebunkport Bush clan despite voting for them 4x because their political opponents were worse in certain areas.

Basically threw up with the “winning the hearts and minds” strategy and intelligence insulted with the "religion of peace" claim, despite documentation of over 1300 years of violent Islamic aggression. Islam's lust to destroy the Judea-Christian society/culture will never be quenched.

Let them kill each other with their sectarian skirmishes and if the violence spills into our area/interest, hit them as hard as possible with man, woman, and child being shown no quarter or sympathy; we should not become tools of foolish appeasement strategies.
67 posted on 02/27/2012 12:19:28 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Wolfie
I understand your point.

Never was a fan of the Kennebunkport Bush clan despite voting for them 4x because their political opponents were worse in certain areas.

Basically threw up with the “winning the hearts and minds” strategy and intelligence insulted with the "religion of peace" claim, despite documentation of over 1300 years of violent Islamic aggression. Islam's lust to destroy the Judea-Christian society/culture will never be quenched.

Let them kill each other with their sectarian skirmishes and if the violence spills into our area/interest, hit them as hard as possible with man, woman, and child being shown no quarter or sympathy; we should not become tools of foolish appeasement strategies.
68 posted on 02/27/2012 12:23:37 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: Wolfie

Apologies for the double post. Computer memory fart or something.


69 posted on 02/27/2012 12:26:56 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: free from tyranny
Yep, you obviously have it all figured out, and I'm a troll from '00.

Try the decaf awhile . . . oh, and gfy.

70 posted on 02/27/2012 1:05:28 PM PST by tomkat (FUbo)
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To: rollo tomasi
We need to pull out, without surrender. This can be accomplished. We leave, but make sure no one else can.
They are bordered by Pakistan in the southeast, Iran in the west, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan in the north, and China in the far northeast.
We use drones, surface to air missiles, and fighter craft and kill anything that crawls, drives, or flies leaving within 5 miles of all boarders EXCEPT for the Iranian border.
We eliminate anything that crawls, drives or flies trying to get into 5 miles of all boarders EXCEPT for the Iranian border.
In other words, we lay siege unto them.
We force them to fight Iran or die.
This will create an unacceptable situation for Iran. Hundreds of thousands of the starving, flea infested filth will tax their resources.
A thousand years of resistance proves they will not accept Iran as their superior. They will be locked in battle for the next thousand years while civilization moves on.
71 posted on 02/27/2012 1:10:50 PM PST by RavenLooneyToon
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To: rollo tomasi

Israel isn’t the best way to do it. They are winning all the battles and loosing the long war.

They are in trouble for the same reason we are, they are trying very hard to be nice in a place where that doesn’t work, and they are at the end of a long supply chain.

Israel is going to have to decide what to do soon. They are out numbered and running out of options.


72 posted on 02/27/2012 2:34:49 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

What does Israel’s foreign policy have to do with preventing domestic terrorism?

If you recall, Israel had a problem with Muslim lighting up school yards and shopping malls. They instituted a domestic policy that scared the living s**t out of every Muslim allowed to live within their borders.


73 posted on 02/29/2012 10:00:35 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: rollo tomasi
Yes, but they are still fighting. They walled off most of the areas, but still have attacks.

We can't wall off the areas the attacks could come from, the US is to spread out.

When one side starts playing asymmetric warfare, it the more powerful side is stuck. To win, they have to hit hard, which will only turn the target population against them, causing more unrest.

To truly win, you either eliminate the enemy culture, or move them to a more controlled area. Look at what we did with the Indians. It was horrible, but it worked.

74 posted on 02/29/2012 11:42:57 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

“The Obama administration’s increasing reliance on special operations forces with a stagnant budget has sparked concern among the elite units that they will be asked to do too much with too little.

The forces will be conducting missions in 120 countries by year’s end, up from about 75 currently. This activity is increasing as the U.S. Special Operations Command’s budget is set to remain flat.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/28/special-operations-to-do-more-with-less/

Get out, flat out, stay out.


75 posted on 02/29/2012 12:09:02 PM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: redgolum

I would destroy their center of gravity starting with Mecca.


76 posted on 02/29/2012 9:48:17 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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