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Hitler Baptized as a Mormon
Red County ^ | 03/04/12 | Ben Barrack

Posted on 03/04/2012 7:48:55 PM PST by Ben Barrack

As the Nevada Republican Caucus returns were coming in last month, CNN's John King referred to Mitt Romney as “Governor Mormon.” Without correcting himself, he used the word “Mormon” four times in nine seconds. While some may argue it was an innocent slip, others will say it was Freudian in nature.

A short time later, King's network did a story on a bizarre Mormon practice that involves posthumously baptizing non-Mormons by proxy. In the report, the parents of “Nazi hunter” Simon Wiesenthal were identified as having been subjected to such a practice. Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel, who was interviewed for the CNN story, unhappily responded to revelations that he himself had been placed on such a list.

In its report, CNN cited Helen Radkey as the person who discovered these unusual baptisms. Radkey is a former Mormon who claims that, “Jewish Holocaust names are regularly going into the Mormon database.” The report concluded with a reference to Romney actually participating in such proxy baptisms. The message was clear but subtle; Romney is part of this.

Radkey is an extremely key figure, not so much for what she provided to CNN for that story but what she still has yet to provide.

About one week later, the Independent, MSNBC, and Yahoo News all reported that the iconic diarist and heroine, Nazi-era Anne Frank had been posthumously baptized nine times by the Mormon church. Yahoo News cleverly segued from this story to an unrelated story about a Romney comment during a Republican debate, in what appeared to be an attempt to subtly connect the two stories.

Comedy Central's Stephen Colbert went even further by inviting a Jewish intern onto his set during his program and asked him to hold a hot dog while Cobert cut off the tip with a...

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It is very important to understand that I have a source used by MSNBC that alleges a 9/11 hijacker has been baptized by Mormon church.
1 posted on 03/04/2012 7:49:12 PM PST by Ben Barrack
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To: Ben Barrack

I’m ... I’m almost starting to think that John King prefers Democrats over Republicans!


2 posted on 03/04/2012 7:50:48 PM PST by ClearCase_guy ("And the public gets what the public wants" -- The Jam)
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To: Ben Barrack

What will happen when the unaware public learns that Mitt is actually “Bishop Romney” that is expected to become at least the Mormon equivalent of a Cardinal after this is over, and who’s father was a Bishop, and who’s uncle was in line to become their Pope, (he died).

So far the media has protected Mitt and acted like he was just a guy that happened to be Mormon, they have not revealed yet that the Romney’s are Mormon Royalty and power, and the suppliers of tens of millions of dollars to Mormonism.


3 posted on 03/04/2012 8:16:49 PM PST by ansel12 (Rick Santorum Catholic “I was basically pro-choice all my life, until I ran for Congress,” he said)
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To: Ben Barrack
I still dabble in genealogy a bit, and I saw this entry about my great grandmother:

"Sarah Bishop died on 29 January 1917. She was baptized in the LDS church on 1 April 1958. She received her endowment on 22 May 1958."

I know she was never Morman. She was not famous, so why did they pick her to do this?
4 posted on 03/04/2012 8:20:43 PM PST by texas_mrs
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To: texas_mrs

Folks are missing the point of the lesson: every time the leadership allows this proxy crap baptism, they are shouting that all other religions are not up to par, nothing but apostasies. Yet the MormonISM apologists working FR will try daily to squelch any exposure of the heresies and blasphemies hallmarking Joe Smith’s fabricated-to-look-like-Christianity-restored religion.


5 posted on 03/04/2012 8:24:12 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Ben Barrack
that's very strange, talk about "padding" your numbers!
why do they (lds) do this?...all the way back to pre-history.

6 posted on 03/04/2012 8:24:34 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Simple: Kill the terrorists, Protect (all) the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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To: Ben Barrack

Wake up, Republicans!


7 posted on 03/04/2012 8:27:23 PM PST by Kennard
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To: skinkinthegrass
The reason Mormons baptize in behalf of the dead is summarized pretty well in this Washington Post OP Ed, including the biblical references to why it's done. It's written by by Michael Otterson, the main LDS Church spokesman, so it's pretty close to an official answer. Hope that answers your question.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/guest-voices/post/what-baptism-for-the-dead-means-to-mormons/2012/02/23/gIQA2sIaVR_blog.html

8 posted on 03/04/2012 8:48:59 PM PST by Allon
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To: Ben Barrack

Maybe some Mormons could help me out here - I thought murder was an unforgivable sin - so would any known, certain murderer like Hitler be posthumously baptized?


9 posted on 03/04/2012 8:57:46 PM PST by heartwood
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To: Ben Barrack

Well, great, my late Jewish grandfather looked toward talking to him in the afterlife.


10 posted on 03/04/2012 8:59:55 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: heartwood

No, shouldn’t be. Most of these famous (or infamous) people’s names have been submitted by individuals in the church, that are counter to the accepted rules set in place.

At any rate, it doesn’t matter. It’s an outward ordinance that, according to the LDS belief, is only valid if accepted by the individual on the other side. The link I provided earlier goes into the why’s and what pretty well.


11 posted on 03/04/2012 9:14:51 PM PST by Allon
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To: Allon

It is a hostile act that the religion always says they are going to stop for any group that has the power to raise a stink, or in this case, bad publicity.

It is always self serving for the Mormons, also they operate in secret, so no one really knows what they do anyway, unless it leaks out. I would think they are looking into security leaks now.

It does matter, or the subject would not constantly be a source of outrage to the world outside of the cult.


12 posted on 03/04/2012 9:39:46 PM PST by ansel12 (Rick Santorum Catholic -I was basically pro-choice all my life, until I ran for Congress- he said)
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To: ansel12

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13 posted on 03/04/2012 9:51:35 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: Allon
...so they were "stuffing the box" w/souls?
does G*D condones this religious activities?
...a scam?

14 posted on 03/04/2012 10:02:31 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Simple: Kill the terrorists, Protect (all) the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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To: Ben Barrack
Let me know when they get to Obama.

Is this done alphabetically?

15 posted on 03/04/2012 10:03:49 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (New Tagline under construction, please watch your step.)
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To: BlueMoose
It is more than just two, their assaults on Christianity seem endless.
16 posted on 03/04/2012 10:06:45 PM PST by ansel12 (Rick Santorum Catholic "I was basically pro-choice all my life, until I ran for Congress" he said)
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To: skinkinthegrass

Read the link. Posthumous baptisms are not counted on the rolls of the Church. You asked what seemed like an honest question. If you really want to know, I provided a source.


17 posted on 03/04/2012 10:20:38 PM PST by Allon
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To: Ben Barrack

Mormon aren’t Christian and neither is Romney!


18 posted on 03/04/2012 11:48:37 PM PST by Genuis Cowboy
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To: Kickass Conservative

They’ve already baptized his mother.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/06/mormons-baptized-obamas-m_n_197707.html


19 posted on 03/05/2012 2:48:38 AM PST by Ben Barrack (Let's Talk About Something Important!)
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To: Allon; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...
If you really want to know, I provided a source.

Allon, if you "really want to know", I'm providing a source:

"L.D.S. Doctrine Of Baptism For The Dead.
Baptism Of The Dead Vs. The Bible

by William Woodson

The present article will summarise the L.D.S. doctrine of baptism for the dead (as set forth in a standard work by James E. Talmage) and reply to it from the standpoint of Bible teaching.

I. The Doctrine in Summary

This L.D.S. doctrine may best be understood in the context of their general view of baptism. According to Talmage, one who seeks membership in the Mormon church must be one who has “obtained and professed faith in the Lord Jesus Christ” and “sincerely repented of his sins.” One so situated is then to “give evidence of this spiritual sanctification by some outward ordinance,” ie., “baptism by water .” (P. 120, 2 Nephi 31:17) In Doctrine and Covenants 20:37 one reads those to be baptized must humble themselves, having “truly repented” of all their sins before being baptized. Baptism is regarded as essential to salvation (P 128) and those, as the Pharisees and Lawyers (Luke 7:30), who reject baptism are thereby “forfeiting their claim to salvation .” (P. 130)

In developing the doctrine of baptism for the dead, Talmage notes that not all have heard and obeyed the gospel. (P. 145) He asks what provision has been made for those who have died having neglected and/or never having heard the gospel? (P. 146) He then argues that though these negligent or untaught ones will be punished, they will be punished only long enough to bring about their needed reformation and satisfy God’s justice. (P. 147) Thus he teaches a second chance for those who die in rebellion against God. To support this he refers to I Peter 3:18- 20; 4:6 which he alleges teach the gospel is to be preached in the spirit world now by ministers of the gospel who have died. (pp. 149, 152)

But, since one in order to be saved must be baptized, this neglected “ordinance” can be received vicariously when children are baptized on earth for their fathers and ancestors who have died without being baptized. In this way the children, who receive this baptism for others, now dead, become “vicarious saviours” and have their faith strengthened by these good works. (pp. 151 -152) Thus the one baptized on earth is “acting as proxy for the dead.” (P. 153) Of course, he alleges, those in the spirit world may reject the blessings made available by proxy, but they are not compelled or hindered from the exercise of their free moral agency. (P. 153) All this is allegedly sustained by 1 Corinthians 15:29 (P 149), by visitation of an angel to Joseph Smith in 1823 and in 1836, (pp. 150 -151), and by the teaching of Joseph Smith in Doctrine and Covenants 128:18. (P. 151 ).

II. Response to the Doctrine

A. The present work will not discuss I Peter 3:19 -20: 4:6 although these verses are alleged in support of the doctrine. Brother Guy N. Woods has discussed these verses in his commentary and in a major article in the Gospel Advocate (July 31, 1975). Suffice to say, these verses do not teach a second chance for disobedient people, after death, to hear and obey the gospel. The great gulf which could not be crossed between the rich man and Lazarus (Lk. 16:26) and the fact that we will be judged according to deeds done in the body (2 Cor. 5:10) show there is no second chance after death.

B. Several aspects of the doctrine are not reconcilable with other aspects. For example, the idea that those, as the Pharisees and lawyers, who reject baptism and are “forfeiting their claim to salvation” clashes with the idea of “vicarious saviours” who later are baptized by proxy for them How can it be that one forfeits salvation but may later have a vicarious saviour? Since baptism, by proxy we are told, is only one of several “associated ordinances” does this mean that a “vicarious saviour” could observe the Lord’s Supper, pay tithes, etc., for the disobedient departed spirit who is not able to do so for himself?

The Book of Mormon, Alma 34:32- 36, teaches that the present life is the time to prepare to meet God and if one does not so prepare in this life “the night of the darkness” comes “wherein no labor can be performed.” How can this be made to fit with the view of a second chance after death? Also a final inconsistency to be noted in that between the prerequisites of baptism according to L.D.S. doctrine and the vicarious baptism allegedly performed If one lacks faith and repentance, as per their doctrine, his baptism is invalid. But, the dead, for whom this “proxy” baptism is allegedly performed, did not believe and repent before death.

How can the one being baptized by proxy know the act on his part is not rendered invalid because this disembodied spirit, in whose stead he is baptized, is without faith and repentance at the time of his proxy baptism? Can the one undergoing proxy baptism on earth know the intended recipient, in the spirit world, has believed and repented, though he died without belief and repentance? If he can, how does he know this? If he cannot, what is the status of this proxy act, on earth, during the interval between its performance and the proper faith and repentance on the part of the intended recipient? Does it simply float around in some ethereal storage house for proxy baptisms until the intended recipient, perhaps thousands of spirit world years later, decides to respond to the baptism of his vicarious benefactor by proxy baptism?

C. The “proxy baptism,” “vicarious saviour doctrine” of L.D.S., in order to sustain itself, must not only remove such inconsistencies as noted, but it must also show that the whole concept of proxy baptism is taught in the Bible, and that the vicarious baptism interpretation alone is the true interpretation of 1 Cor. 15:29. Instead, at least two other views of the passage are possible.

1. First, it is the case that the Greek word huper, in the expression “for the dead,” is defined by Thayer (P 639) as meaning “on account of, for the sake of” something or somebody. He explains by saying huper is used “of the impelling or moving cause” on account of which anything is done. He refers to such passages as the following to support this view: Acts 5:41, 9:16, 15:26, 2 Thess. 1:5, 2 Cor 12:10, John 6:51, John 11:4, Rom. 15:8, Phil. 2:13, 2 Cor. 1:6, Eph. 3:1, 13, 5:20, etc.

Arndt and Gingrich (P. 846) state concerning huper that it is used “to denote the moving cause or the reason because of, for the sake of,” and refers to verbs of suffering where it gives “the reason for it.” Verses cited as reflecting this meaning are: Acts 5:41, 9:16, 21:13, Phil. 1 :29, 2 Thess. 1:5, Eph. 5:20, Rom. 15:9, etc. Eminent commentators reflect this use of the term huper, as well, such as Robertson and Plummer, A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the First Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, P. 359; and G. G. Findlay, Expositors Greek Testament, II, 931. Thus the verse refers to those who, out of regard for a dead Christian friend who previously taught them by word and deed, are baptized in obedience to Christ.

2. A second view, held by such men as G. R. Beasley-Murray,2 regards the verse as an ad hominem argument against an importation from possibly mystery religions or other Hellenic religions. The Corinthians were following this practice of Greek non-Christian religion and Paul refers to it to show the inconsistency of their practicing such by denying the resurrection. He thus demonstrated their inconsistency without arguing with their practice.

Thus, since no one today can believe, repent, or confess faith in Christ for another by “proxy,” we conclude for the same reason no one can today receive baptism for another. On either view set forth above, the verse, and hence the Bible does not teach the L.D.S. doctrine of baptism for the dead."

FOOTNOTES

1. James E. Talmage, A Study of the ArticIes of Faith (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Company, 1964).

2. G. R. Beasley- Murray, Baptism in the New Testament (Grand Rapids: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1962), pp. 185 -192.

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This baptism for the dead is just another attempt by mormonism to set its doctrine above Christian belief and as in this article, proclaim mormons as "vicarious saviors" on a level with their god who was once a man.

20 posted on 03/05/2012 7:31:36 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (If Jesus returned today the mormon church would try to sell him a condo in their billion-dollar mall)
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To: All
For grins and chuckles,

Click Here for the official mormon genealogy site

Showing actual baptismal records.

21 posted on 03/05/2012 7:45:40 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (If Jesus returned today the mormon church would try to sell him a condo in their billion-dollar mall)
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To: greyfoxx39; Allon

It could be that Allon cant access the records for himself...

Why is that ???


22 posted on 03/05/2012 8:00:22 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: ansel12
"They have not revealed YET"....Yet is the key word.

As for Hitler, they can have him, fianally old Adolph will have a world to rule, I see he made it..

23 posted on 03/05/2012 8:39:59 AM PST by annieokie
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To: ansel12

Romney is one step away from being one of lds “twelve”. Romney has been groomed for the presidency his whole life. My lds family really believe he is the answer to the ‘white horse’ prophesy.
If Romney is the nominee, mormonism will be laid bare.


24 posted on 03/05/2012 8:43:55 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: annieokie


You know those Mormon magic underwear you've heard about, here they are, all seeing eye and everything ...
25 posted on 03/05/2012 8:44:01 AM PST by Scythian
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To: texas_mrs

Their goal is to get everyone. They’ve dead-dunked my east-coast life-long Catholic parents with absolutely no Mormon ties. Funny because they are still alive :-)


26 posted on 03/05/2012 9:10:26 AM PST by T Minus Four
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To: texas_mrs

They’ll get you too now that they have your family’s lineage.


27 posted on 03/05/2012 9:13:13 AM PST by T Minus Four
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To: Allon
…and thank you for info. & it was an honest question...
that said, i tried to use reason...and it failed.

28 posted on 03/05/2012 9:13:51 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Simple: Kill the terrorists, Protect (all) the borders, ridicule all the (surviving) Liberals :^)
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To: Allon

an outward ordinance that, according to the LDS belief, is only valid if accepted by the individual on the other side.
_________________________________________________

As a Mormon do you beieve that “the individual on the other side” actually accepts or rejects the dead dunking ???

What sign is given that can be recognized as a response ???

the earth moves over the grave ???

Planted Bluer Bells start to chime ???

A shout comes up from the ground ???

An audible “Hell NO” or a “Yes please” is heard by “called” listeners ???

An EMail miraculously appears in Ask Tommy’s computer...HotMail of course...the once appostate dead is believed by Mormons to be in hell..

A slow mail letter arrives based on resignment acknowledgement time frames...

Phone call from a Hell cell..

Text message to a Droid employed by Mormon Inc..

Can you hear me now ???

Its a long way to Hell..


29 posted on 03/05/2012 9:24:20 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana
LOL!

(love the new tagline)

30 posted on 03/05/2012 9:37:05 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (If Jesus returned today the mormon church would try to sell him a condo in their billion-dollar mall)
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To: annieokie

Now maybe the mishies will be channeling old Adolf when they go knock-knock:

“Hello, we are going to speak, and you are going to listen, schweinhund!”

;^)


31 posted on 03/05/2012 10:25:53 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: Tennessee Nana

We don’t seek after signs. In fact, there are warnings against it.

I don’t expect you to get the practice if you continue to mock it. Seek first to understand...


32 posted on 03/05/2012 10:42:52 AM PST by Allon
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To: svcw

Will he become one of the 70 first?


33 posted on 03/05/2012 11:07:32 AM PST by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet.)
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To: Allon

hum? My lds uncle the former bishop says, people dead dunked are given a chance to accept mormonism because of the dunk. And he further adds, when they do they are in fact now mormons. And further still, “why wouldn’t they accept mormonism?”.
So I would conclude the “after sign” is this, “why wouldn’t they accept mormonism and become mormons”. So the assumption is the arrogance of the dead dunk.
Just now wondering are they then billed for unpaid tithes and how are they collected?


34 posted on 03/05/2012 11:14:47 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: svcw

and the reverse charges from Hell...

Thats gotta set the Morg back a bit..


35 posted on 03/05/2012 11:26:51 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: heartwood
... I thought murder was an unforgivable sin...

Uh; not quite.

Christ's BLOOD can't cover that knid of sin; only the perp's OWN blood can; thus the Firing Squad type of Execution in Utah.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement

36 posted on 03/05/2012 11:44:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Allon
It's written by by Michael Otterson, the main LDS Church spokesman, so it's pretty close to an official answer.

What can we find an 'OFFICIAL MORMON'    teaching??
Official sites are sites supported by LDS officials unless said official sites are consider unofficial by said officials.
At that point such sites are unofficial unless officially referenced for official purposes by officials who can do so officially.
 
This should not be misconstrued as an indication that official sites can be unofficially recognized as official nor should it be implied that unofficial sites cannot contain official information, but are not officially allowed to be offical despite their official contents due the their unofficialness.
 
Official sites will be official and recognized as official by officials of the LDS unless there is an official reason to mark them as unofficial either temporally or permanently, which would make the official content officially unofficial.
 
This is also not to imply that recognized sites, often used here by haters cannot contain official information, it just means that content, despite its official status, is no longer official and should be consider unofficial despite the same information being official on an official site elsewhere.
 
Even then the officialness my be amended due to the use of the unofficial information which may determine the officialness of anything be it official or unofficial depending on how and where it is used officially or unofficially.
I hope this clear things up for the lurkers out there.
The haters tend to make things complicated and confusing when it is all really quite crystal clear.   --Ejonesie22

37 posted on 03/05/2012 11:45:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Scythian

I think they placed the misspelled ODOR in a highly inappropriate place!


38 posted on 03/05/2012 11:47:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: T Minus Four
Funny because they are still alive :-)

What?

They can't even get their OWN rituals right? and one of them wants to be PRESIDENT???

39 posted on 03/05/2012 11:49:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana; Allon
an outward ordinance that, according to the LDS belief, is only valid if accepted by the individual on the other side.

Perhaps that 'great gulf fixed' is NOT found in any of THEIR 'scriptures'!

40 posted on 03/05/2012 11:50:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Allon
We don’t seek after signs. In fact, there are warnings against it.

But y'all wait, with bated breath, for any NEW 'revelations' from SLC headquarters.

41 posted on 03/05/2012 11:52:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Allon; Elsie
The reason Mormons baptize in behalf of the dead is summarized pretty well in this Washington Post OP Ed, including the biblical references to why it's done. It's written by by Michael Otterson, the main LDS Church spokesman, so it's pretty close to an official answer...

Wait a minute. As Elz noted, we're told all the time by Mormons that even what past Lds "prophets" have said isn't "official" (unless it becomes "scripture")...and who knows how long you have to wait for that to happen!

Why are present statements made by Mormon PR guys "official" & past statements made by Mormon "prophets" & "apostles" deemed by Mormons to be "unoofficial?"

Why do PR guys trump your past leaders as "voices" of the Lord? (And where is that "biblical" -- or even any claimed written "sacred" work of the Mormon church?

42 posted on 03/05/2012 11:53:10 AM PST by Colofornian ( Those who militate vs. 'sola scriptura' lack the character of nobility (Acts 17:11))
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To: svcw
So the assumption is the arrogance of the dead dunk.

What ARROGANCE???



 

MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
 

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- 
                           -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably                              -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple
                            -- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy  (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)
26.  I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).
 
 
Revision 46.5
Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.
All rights liable to be abused.

43 posted on 03/05/2012 11:53:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana

What really frosts these apologists for this cult is the fact that WE DO understand their practices. Sadly, THEY do not understand the Bible else they would be running away from the blasphemous Smithian cult.


44 posted on 03/05/2012 11:55:52 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Colofornian
(unless it becomes "scripture")...

Which is highly unlikely, for they have LOTS of 'scripture' that they do NOT obey NOW!!


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)


I CANNOT vouch for the OFFICIALNESS of the above!!

45 posted on 03/05/2012 11:56:20 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
I CANNOT vouch for the OFFICIALNESS of the above!!

and...

I CANNOT vouch for the OFFICIALNESS of the below; either!!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

46 posted on 03/05/2012 11:58:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Maybe channeling Mormondude would help ???

Someone in Mormondom MUST know surely just how the lucky newly wet specter is suppose to communicate their appreciation and sustaining for such magnanimous consideration ...

or the unlikely distain...


47 posted on 03/05/2012 11:58:55 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: greyfoxx39

Thanks for the link. Much more concise than my ramblings stating the same thing.

Mormons always pull 1 Cor out of context as a ‘proof text’ but don’t really understand it. They do the same thing with James.


48 posted on 03/05/2012 12:02:49 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Tennessee Nana
Insert dead dunked name here: Flaming letters sig Pictures, Images and Photos
49 posted on 03/05/2012 12:05:15 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Allon; Tennessee Nana; svcw; Elsie
I don’t expect you to get the practice if you continue to mock it. Seek first to understand...

There's that superior attitude popping up from the n00b..



MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY

1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. — -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics --
-- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple
-- all you have is a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)
26. I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).
Revision 46.2
Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.
All rights liable to be abused.


50 posted on 03/05/2012 1:02:13 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (If Jesus returned today the mormon church would try to sell him a condo in their billion-dollar mall)
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