Posted on 03/07/2012 6:40:54 PM PST by seeking enlightenment
When you look at the numbers of 08, yes you had some new and bigger turn out in some areas, but the biggest reason he won, at least in many states was simply Republican Voters stayed home. They were disgusted with Bush’s policies and McCain certainly didn’t fire them up, but I don’t think anyone would have.
Overall Turnout in 08 was down if I am not mistaken.
What is the political upside of having 0bama make the next three to four appointments to the Supreme Court? I personally don’t belive a Romney presidency would give us justices anything like the out of the closet leftists Sotomayor and Kagan, and that is enough reason to get me to vote for the guy. How confident are you that we’ll take the Senate and be able to block the next robed abominations 0bama will surely send our way if retained? I’m not saying Romeny is a conservative choice, I’m saying that if he’s the nominee then he’s the only tourniquet we have available. Or we can stay home or vote third party and choose to let the bleeding continue.
I don't want Obama winning again and appointing another Supreme Court Nominee, or having a Justice Dept. running wild.
BTW, when Palin, Bachman, Gingrich and Santorum throw their support to Romney, are they going to be called all the names those of us who want "anyone but Obama" have been called? are you going to be consistent and whine and shrill about them? or are excuses going to be made? also, I remember a time here when Newt Gingrich was despised, remember the commercial for Global Warming where he played nicey nice with Pelosi? what about his stand on immigration? You can try to cover it up as much as you'd like but there's hypocrisy to be found at 1 point or another with all the candidates, and if you were being true to your beliefs like everyone keeps spouting here? you wouldn't support Gingrich or Santorum either.
How many conservative judges did Governor Romney appoint?
I can say the same about you but I'll refrain.
Obamacare, or at least some of it will be dismantled by the courts
And you know this will definitely happen this year? and if Obama wins re-election and Kennedy retires, then what?
As for the rest, your arguments are based on assumptions that Romney won't follow through on his promises, I beg to differ. And again, I'm not a Romney supporter, I was a Palin and Bachmann supporter, and since Bachmann dropped out I'm now an "anyone but Obama supporter".
Personally, I think that Obama wants to run against Romney and I will tell you why.
I think that Obama is planning to pull back on Obamacare, while if it looks like it won’t pass the Supreme Court, pull back and call for the mandate to be passed on the state level by the individual states.
Romney is on record saying that this was possible and WA state is well on the way to doing just that. As soon as the first Florida ruling against Obamacare was submitted, WA State took steps to pass legislation that prepares the state for socialized medicine, steps that were not required by Obamacare until 2014.
WA already has assisted suicide and they were suing pharmacists who refused to supply the morning after pills due a conscientious objection. There have been numerous court cases against Catholic hospitals that don’t provide assisted suicide. Then this week the legislature is proposing to take over the health insurance from the teachers’ unions, providing a single payer system for all teachers, with a 25% premium paid by the teachers and a co-pay.
“I personally don’t belive a Romney presidency would give us justices anything like the out of the closet leftists Sotomayor and Kagan”
I would encourage you to look into his record in Massachusetts. Mostly Democrats. Mostly liberals. Mostly statist that think government is the solution.
Politically speaking I see Romney depressing the conservative vote (no Senate takeover, maybe lose House seats) whereas I see Obama as a huge conservative motivator. Republicans will take the Senate and increase the lead in the House.
Bingo! Kennedy said he was going to retire after this election, Roberts had a health issue a few years ago, Scalia is going to be 76, can you imagine 1, 2 or 3 appointments by Obama on the Court? our Country and way of life as we've known it will be gone.
Obama has no intention of backing down on Obamacare (beyond the cosmetic). Federal takeover of health care is a socialist wet dream.
So the Newt/Global Warming commercial must not have bothered you if you’re supporting Newt.
As I see it, one of two things will happen in November if Romney is the nominee: Obama will win handily because Romney only knows how to sling mud at Republicans; or, if by some miracle Romney wins, he will do such a godawful job as President, the economy will sink (thanks in large part to the things the Democrats have done) and we will see a candidate Obama come roaring back in 2016, with the message "See, I TOLD you so!".
Thanks for you support COBOL.
Just did a little research into Romney’s Appointments, he made 36 Appointments while Governor, 30 were to the Lower Court level that deals with Criminals, he never made an Appointment to the Massachusetts Supreme Court, and his other Nominees were Republicans, Republicans account for 12.5% of registered voters in Massachusetts but Republicans represent 25% of Judicial Appointees. Compared to Sotomayor and Kagan? I’ll take it!
Any white guy not named Obama who TRULY WANTS to be President can beat this asshole easily....you just have to be willing to FIGHT for it.
You’re all high and mighty about not compromising on your principles, so I ask a simple question, why doesn’t it bother you that Newt played nicey nicey with Pelosi when it came to Global Warming?
Short of a time machine I don’t know what you can do. If you want to WIN and don’t want Romney.
End of the day you have to decide, which do you think is worse, President Romney or 4 more years of Obama. HOnestly we’ve passed the Rubicon in terms of Santorum or Gingrich being the nominee. Short of course something bad happening to Romney.. Killed in a plain crash or something coming out about him that would completely destroy him politically, which is not likely to happen.
Reality is the “tea party bloc” which is what I will call them for lack of a better term, engaged in complete political idiocy with the people they backed early in the process. Bachmann was a bitter shrew... Cain was an abject joke.. Perry I’ll give some leeway on that one, he at least deserved a little look and see... sadly that one didn’t work out. Had they coalesqued around Santorum earlier, maybe he would already have started some grooming by elders to make him stop shooting himself in the foot with his mouth... or around Gingrich in those earlier days things might have been different.
At this point we have 1/3 of the delegates done, and while is clear that part of the party loyal, like most on FR don’t like Romney and would prefer someone else, that group while vocal is not strong enough to pick a candidate, at least not in a 3+ person race. The “conservative” base has been split from almost day one on the primary season, and I personally think Gingrich made a huge blunder when he focused on responding to Romney’s attacks at the peak of his surge, which were absolutely over the top, and not on taking out Santorum to end the vote splitting that has continued. That misstep ensured the continued split of the non romney vote, and guaranteed Romney a primary win, even if it wasn’t the one he had in mind back when this all started.
At some point, pragmatic strategy must kick in, and that means best we can hope for if we want to win the election and get rid of Obama is begin to consider how we can influence Romney to capitulate to conservative principles on certain things... let him know his support is not guaranteed and he must make some sort of offering and guarantees. Other than this, I don’t know what we can do.
One way to do this is to ensure “true conservatives” win Congressional and Senate elections where possible, so that the bloc will speak up and challenge his administration when they try to do something stupid etc.
It was naive of the tea party to think that in a few years they would be able to mandate a presidential candidate. They really need to focus on local and congressional elections and groom people for the presidential cycle 4-8 years out. You ensure these folks win, and you build up the pool for the future elections, and that’s something that just hasn’t been done.
I still plan on voting for Gingrich when my states primary happens, and would love to see an huge swell push him over Romney,but pragmatic reality is, I know this is not likely to happen.
However given a choice between Romney or Santorum, as much as I hate Romney, I have to say, if that’s the choice I will hold my nose and vote Romney, because frankly like it or not, and as much as it turns my stomach that Romney may be the nominee with an R beside his name, he at least has a path to victory. I see no calculus where Santorum wins if he is the nominee.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, I prefer Gingrich, he makes the election a true ideological one, and the US Electorate when given it flat out will choose overwhelmingly the conservative ideology. None of the other candidates will or can do that, they just wont. However, the idea that he will groundswell enough to overtake Romney is remote at best, and certainly not going to happen as long as Santorum is in the race.
Support your candidate, but remember, at the end of the day, if your guy could not win a general election, you are handing your opponent a victory, its a very simple calculus.
How can he beat Obama, when everywhere Mitt “won”, the turnout was so low? In Virginia only 5% of Republicans went out to vote. In Florida, the turnout was 20% lower compared to 2008. This guy produces disgusts the voters at large, and THIS is a fact.
With Romney as nominee, if 20% or even 10% of Republicans stay home in November, he will hand the GOP the most severe beating ever. He has 0 charisma for the masses, he cannot electrify the public, and the GOP establishment will go down with their “golden boy”, losing the House and seats in the Senate. Their stupidity is boundless. Mark my words.
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