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Can Romney beat Obama?

Posted on 03/07/2012 6:40:54 PM PST by seeking enlightenment

With Romney squeaking out Ohio and a few other races before I have to question his electability. Ron Paul's supporters are going to support Paul no matter what but Santorum and Gingrich are splitting the vote. If Gingrich wasn't in the race then Romney loses the close races, there is not going to be anyone to split the the vote with Obama. Romney is also spending up to six times the money of the other candidates. Obama is talking about raising 1 billion dollars so Romney will probably be on the other side of the money battle and will his leads evaporate or will he be able to close the gap in the close races when he can't outspend Obama? I know that many people will vote for anyone but Obama but Romney doesn't seem to be able to inspire most of the Republicans and conservatives to vote for him so will he be able to pull in the undecided independents when the media turns the spotlight on him, he has yet to take a serious beating by the media yet and can he take it? If the race was a two man race and Santorum or possibly Gingrich had half his money I don't think he'd get the Republican nomination. So if Romney becomes the nominee and he no longer has his advantages and the pro Obama media comes into play, can he win?


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To: SoConPubbie

As I said, you want to do it, thats fine, and dandy, but you can’t do it by top down, its not going to work, you have to do it from bottom up and conceding the white house for 20-40 years while you devide the vote isn’t going to get you anywhere.

Want to talk about congressional candidates and 3rd parties and state and local, with a goal of eventually becoming a national power, great, but to think out of the gate you can influence national politics, its just not going to happen.


201 posted on 03/08/2012 12:16:28 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
You are welcome to refuse to vote Romney, but to claim you have no culpability if Obama gets a second term for doing so, you are absolutely wrong.

Nice strawman you have there. I never said I have no culpability in an Obama second term. I believe that an Obama second term is better than a Romney first term. And I've posted too many times on FreeRepublic why I think this is so. I don't have time to repeat it here.

202 posted on 03/08/2012 12:17:20 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Mitt Romney is SEVERELY conservative - and I'm SEVERELY against giving him my vote!)
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To: dupree

It was not necessary to define natural born in the constitution. Natural born is in plain simple English, the phrase was in common usage and understood, by the founders.

In addition the US supreme court has defined, for those a little slow, at least three times, natural born citizen as a person born on this nations soil to parents who are citizens of this nation at the time of that birth.

Every candidate up until these last two election cycles, with one exception who did not get caught until out of office, qualified for the office. Now we have Romney, Santorum, McCain, Obama and two VP possibles Jindal and Rubio all of whom fail to qualify because they are not Natural Born Citizens. Do you think this a coincidence?

Not being natural born doesn’t make them lesser citizens than you and I. It does make them ineligible for the office of president as per the constitution.


203 posted on 03/08/2012 12:18:35 PM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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To: COBOL2Java

Absolutely.


204 posted on 03/08/2012 12:19:34 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: W. W. SMITH

Sorry, but the Press did not have to work hard to portray Bachmann as a Bitter Shrew, and no one had to put in any effort to make Cain look like a joke at all.

Bachmann’s political career is littered with her making rediculous hyperbole’s that made Gingrich’s in his hayday look like nothing. What was that rediculous number she threw out about Obama’s trip to India? Billions? or whatever it was, it was patently rediculous. Bachmann is a nice conservative foot soldier, from a relatively safe district who can go out and say incredulous things for effect, and that’s great, but a leader or a national party head? Nope, not there, not remotely in her make up.

As to Cain, the very idea, anyone ever serioulsy argued that someone with ZERO experience in a field is qualified to be the person to hold the highest job in that field is so patently rediculous that it defies any logic whatsover.

You don’t go hire someone with zero experience in a field to take the top position in another one, life and the real world don’t work that way, and to argue that politics is somehow the exception to that rule is nonsensical. We already have a complete schlub in the White House, and he’s made a disaster of things.. it will take easily 20-40 years if that to undo the damage this administration has done not only to the US, but more importantly to the stability of the world. The very idea we should send another schlub up fo the job, just because this one has an R beside his name was a nonsense proposition from the get go.

I have not been manipulated by anyone, recognition of Political reality is not manipulation. The tea party bloc wasted their influence this election cycle, because they continually bounced from joke to joke of candidates, and that’s reality. They didn’t bother to think beyond the surface of any of them.. they jumped on whever told them what they wanted to hear, whether or not that person had the experience or ability to back it up, and in doin so, lost any real ability to influence the race in a real meaningful way.

As to Romney being able to beat Obama, while I don’t care much for the guy, he will win, if, the conservative base doesn’t do something self destructive. Like it or not, and this is the cold hard reality of politics that many refuse to recognize, you and I aren’t the people who carry elections for someone. We don’t. Like it or not its that 40% in the middle that decide EVERY election.

And what you and I may like the most, doesn’t mean its going to translate into support among that 40%. That’s the stone cold truth about the political system of the US. National Elections are won or lost on the swing voter. To beat Obama, the Republicans need a candidate that the electorate will not view as too extreme, because that’s all that matters this cycle.. every single poll out there suggest the electorate cannot wait to give this bufoon the boot, however, they will not vote someone that is viewed as too extreme or radical in, to get rid of the radical that is currently there.

I don’t like Romney, I personally prefer Gingrich, and would love to seem him truly take on Obama on an ideological campaign, which I am certain he would do. However, sadly it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen. Santorum has zero chance of winning a general election he is far too easily painted as radical by his own words. Yes, he excites the social conservative wing of the party, but it also alienated just as many if not more of the swing voter.

I wish Gingrich could have caught fire earlier, and that he would have focused on Santorum and ended the splitting of the conservative vote instead of focusing on Romney months ago, and then he would be the front runner by now, unfortunately that didn’t happen, so we are where we are.

Pragmatic reality is not being manipulated, and only Zealots don’t know who their friends are.


205 posted on 03/08/2012 12:31:39 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: COBOL2Java

Well then if you believe this, you are free to vote for Obama on election day.


206 posted on 03/08/2012 12:33:49 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
Well then if you believe this, you are free to vote for Obama on election day.

Well thank you, your highness! I am SO relieved that I have your affectedly and irritatingly grand permission to vote as I wish. I never intend to vote for Obama, but you already knew that. I can see from reading all your pompously irritating previous posts that you would definitely qualify for a well-paid position in a Romney administration.

207 posted on 03/08/2012 12:42:02 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Mitt Romney is SEVERELY conservative - and I'm SEVERELY against giving him my vote!)
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To: HamiltonJay

Vote fraud machines: Pick address that can be easily monitored, Mailboxes etc for example, apartment complexes for another, fill out voter registration cards using names from a cemetery or simply make them up, make a copy so you know what the signature looks like.

Now for either primary or general elections you request an absentee ballot for every one of those fake voters, vote the ballot, make sure the signature looks right, mail it back. No need for an ID with picture, no chance of being caught by a poll worker who knows you are not who you say you are. The end result, a stolen election. Now do the math, the Republican turn out has been in the cellar with Romney the least liked and yet he wins. the voting public is gullible BUT there are some of us who can see and connect the dots.

The vote fraud machine was turned out to put Romney in front because the Democrats know that Romney will lose to Obama by at least ten points.


208 posted on 03/08/2012 12:44:01 PM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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To: HamiltonJay

Like it or not its that 40% in the middle that decide EVERY election.
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Like it or not that 40% is not in the middle. That forty percent is right of center and both parties are of in left field playing patty cake and laughing at those dumb voters they are maneuvering into totalitarian rule.

The two parties combined represent less than 5% and lie to 95% to get us to vote for them. The party that realizes this and seeks the vote of that “middle” will sweep elections for a good two decades.


209 posted on 03/08/2012 1:02:13 PM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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To: Trod Upon

Fighting to take the GOP from the left is a struggle of it’s own, you should join us in the struggle, .

Your fighting for Romney is a choice to back the defeat and the destruction of the conservative movement.


210 posted on 03/08/2012 3:28:41 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Ballygrl

As this thread shows, you are a romneybot in 2012.


211 posted on 03/08/2012 4:00:37 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Again with the name calling from the people who support Newt yet forget how they felt about Newt just a few years ago. When Newt throws his support to the eventual winner and yes it looks like Romney, are you going to call Newt? Sarah? Bachmann? and Santorum Romneybots?


212 posted on 03/08/2012 4:03:09 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: Ballygrl

If you want to defend Mormonism against the Christians and the Catholic church which says that it is not a Christian religion, you can do that mostly in the religious forums, Bishop (who will become at least a Cardinal, perhaps even Pope) Romney’s religion does come up a lot.


213 posted on 03/08/2012 4:13:02 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

I don’t give a crap if someone is Mormon, but thank you for proving the point others have made yet I’ve been reluctant to acknowledge, how much of the hate against Romney is because of his record? or his Religion?


214 posted on 03/08/2012 4:17:05 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: Ballygrl

So it isn’t just his politics, now you also want to defend his Mormonism. Romney is almost pure religion, his entry into politics was to serve his religion.

Bishop Romney is the son of a Bishop, and a member of Mormon Royalty, the Romneys. Mitt is thought by many Mormons to be the fulfillment of the White Horse Prophecy.

Bishop Romney does draw strong devotion from some Catholic girls, supposedly Catholics are the easiest prey of the Mormon cult.


215 posted on 03/08/2012 4:34:50 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Ballygrl

When you spot those people getting on the net to promote Romney in the primary as you are, then give me a call.

If they try it on freerepublic, then give JR a call.


216 posted on 03/08/2012 4:36:59 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Excuse me? I defend freedom of Religion, and your post is actually quite embarrassing.


217 posted on 03/08/2012 4:38:09 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: ansel12

I’m promoting Romney? by saying I’ll vote for anyone but Obama? and if that nominee is Romney damn right I’ll support him, as will most here at FR, as will Newt, Sarah, Bachmann and Santorum!


218 posted on 03/08/2012 4:41:12 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: Ballygrl

Of course you are promoting Romney, and now his religion.

There is a long list of things that Romney supporters want to forbid discussion on, one of them is his role as a powerful cult leader, and how that is the driving force behind his ambition to become President.


219 posted on 03/08/2012 4:44:17 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Are you serious? the fact that I’m not even Mormon YET I have the audacity to say I don’t care that he’s Mormon, that somehow translates to promoting his Religion. Seriously?


220 posted on 03/08/2012 5:13:22 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: Ballygrl

Absolutely anyone but Obama. Try to ignore the intimidators around here.


221 posted on 03/08/2012 5:15:37 PM PST by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: Ballygrl

But don’t you know? If and when Newt, Sarah, etc. Toss their support to Mitt, they’ll be considered “bad Americans.”


222 posted on 03/08/2012 5:17:45 PM PST by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: sand lake bar

I have to say I’m shocked. I wonder what the reaction is going to be when their candidate supports the eventual Republican nominee.


223 posted on 03/08/2012 5:18:19 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: sand lake bar

LOL, I can see them all being tossed under the bus! Newt was despised until what? 6 months ago?


224 posted on 03/08/2012 5:19:27 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: Ballygrl

Yes, shocking and sad.


225 posted on 03/08/2012 5:19:31 PM PST by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: Hildy

Thanks for your good sense, Hildy.


226 posted on 03/08/2012 5:25:02 PM PST by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: Ballygrl

When you try to stop conservatives and Christians from mentioning the cult that Bishop Romney is a powerful leader in, leadership that after this presidential effort that he is doing in service to his cult, and for which he will be rewarded with at least being made a Cardinal, and could possibly be made it’s Pope, especially if he truly fulfills the “White Horse Prophecy” then yes, that is defending it, and is a part of advancing it’s goals and maintaining it’s cover among conservatives and Christians.


227 posted on 03/08/2012 5:40:25 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Listen, this is America, people are free to be whatever Religion they choose to be, as long as my 1st amendment rights aren’t violated by ones practice of that Religion? I don’t care what they are.


228 posted on 03/08/2012 6:19:50 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: Ballygrl

Christians do care, conservatives care, we will continue to discuss all facets of the Bishop’s life, motivations, failings, candidacy, and agenda, including that he is a powerful leader in an anti-Christian cult who was granted permission from his Holy Prophet in a private meeting before launching his presidential campaign, a campaign which is being paralleled by millions in public relations spending and recruiting by the cult.


229 posted on 03/08/2012 6:43:28 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Reading your comments? I feel like I’m reading at Democratic Underground, and that’s not something to be proud of.


230 posted on 03/08/2012 6:46:51 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: Ballygrl

Do you read at DU often?


231 posted on 03/08/2012 6:56:16 PM PST by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

Of course I do, and the bashing I see about Mormonism is equal to DU’s bashing of Christians.


232 posted on 03/08/2012 7:06:45 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: Ballygrl

No you don’t, you don’t even lie well.

You really won’t like this thread, I haven’t been on it but I am mentioned there, you can go over there and do your pro-Romney routine.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2856432/posts?page=2#2


233 posted on 03/08/2012 7:14:19 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

What am I lying about?


234 posted on 03/08/2012 7:36:51 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: Ballygrl

My pro-conservative, pro-Christian posts, DU would never accept them, and you know it, some of your posts on the other hand, could make it over there.


235 posted on 03/08/2012 7:50:02 PM PST by ansel12
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To: trappedincanuckistan

A bit of arrogance, my friend. I have been here since 1998. I ain’t going anywhere.


236 posted on 03/08/2012 7:50:07 PM PST by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesH)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

A bit of arrogance, my friend. I have been here since 1998. I ain’t going anywhere.


237 posted on 03/08/2012 7:50:20 PM PST by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesH)
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To: ansel12
Umm, I was equating your posts on Mormonism to the hatred of Christianity on display at DU.

And what posts in particular of mine would DU even allow being posted there?

238 posted on 03/08/2012 8:01:21 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: Ballygrl

LOL, what is this chatty girl time.

Go to that other thread and push your Romney/Mormon routine, it will liven things up over there.


239 posted on 03/08/2012 8:33:00 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

I have absolutely no desire to post in a thread on Religion, and I think it’s despicable how you’ve been behaving in this thread.


240 posted on 03/08/2012 8:35:47 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: Ballygrl

NOTICE: FR DOES NOT AND WILL NOT SUPPORT ABORTIONIST, GAY RIGHTS PUSHING BIG GOVERNMENT STATISTS
vanity | May 26, 2011 | Jim Robinson
Posted on Thu May 26 2011 20:31:29 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by Jim Robinson

NOTICE: FR DOES NOT AND WILL NOT SUPPORT ABORTIONIST, GAY RIGHTS PUSHING BIG GOVERNMENT STATISTS FOR PRESIDENT!!

This message is intended for those posters on FR who seem to have missed my prior statements in this regard and insist on advocating for these bastards.

I’d rather shut the place down than be involved in any effort to install abortionist/gay rights pushing RINOS like Romney or Giuliani into the White House!!

Do NOT push this crap on FR. Take your business elsewhere!! And I don’t care how long you’ve been here!!


241 posted on 03/08/2012 9:01:35 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

OK, you were losing the argument obviously.


242 posted on 03/09/2012 5:01:19 AM PST by Ballygrl
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To: Ballygrl

I read about “delusions of grandeur” years ago in psych class. Isn’t it interesting to see it displayed here on FR?!


243 posted on 03/09/2012 5:12:59 AM PST by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: ansel12

From what I could find no Romney has ever been in the uniform of this nation. Isn’t that interesting!


244 posted on 03/09/2012 6:23:21 AM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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To: W. W. SMITH

Yes, No Romney man has ever served the United States in uniform, ever.

They well predate the Civil War and are Mormon royalty, being among the original 12 disciples of Joseph Smith.

No draft or no impulse to patriotism has ever snagged a Romney man, no Civil War, WWI, not WWII, or Vietnam, or anything else.

The Romney’s every act. including two Presidential candidates in a row, George, now Mitt are based entirely on their role as Mormon Bishops and hopes to fulfill Mormon Prophecy.


245 posted on 03/09/2012 12:12:16 PM PST by ansel12
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