Skip to comments.Access to land and water
Posted on 03/10/2012 1:11:18 PM PST by Kartographer
While watching Doomsday Preppers last week, I observed one major difference in the various plans, and that was if the plan included access to land and water.
Its one thing to stockpile 2 3 years of canned goods, food in mylar bags, freeze dried food, have a rainwater collection system, small backyard garden,,,,.
Its another thing to have access to several acres of land, able to have chickens, a nice sized garden for a variety of fresh veggies, various types of fruit trees, access to fresh running water and access to land to hunt on. Maybe even have access to water to fish in.
Two of the main differences I see between the various long term SHTF survival plans, is access to fresh food and access to fresh water. People may argue there are lots of other differences, but for this article I wanted to talk about two main topics water and fresh food.
(Excerpt) Read more at survivalboards.com ...
"Living near a well with a manual pump is like living in the Garden of Eden."
Northern and Central Freepers Preppers please Freep mail me.
Thanks; I needed that advice, K!
Thanks for the great work and devotion to helping all of us Kartographer!! Wish there were more like you out there....especially near where I live in SC!!
South Carolina! I would prefer sitting up shop there than the high and dry desert of New Mexico. Boy do I miss the South!
All well in good until someone comes along and decides to take what you have.
Well they might even kill me with my own gun, but they will have to beat me to death with it as there won’t be one round left for them to shoot.
In my research a small community seems like the best model. Sure is tough finding one with the right people though.
The article raises some good points though.
Well!!!! Come on back...plenty of room...that is for the like minded folk!
You do with what you have. You adapt you over come. Sure living in a little town full of preppers has the best chance, unless you are lucky or independently wealth such is very tough to find and make work. Who knows you getting your own land maybe the start of such a place. That’s basically what my plan is.
If I hit the lotto maybe, but I’d be looking in the area where GA, NC, SC, and TN all come together.
A large farm or range with like minded family and friends IS a prepper community.
For most, that's wishful thinking. Most don't have the $$$$ or they can't/won't relocate for various reasons such as jobs, schools, family, etc.
Band together with those of like mind and start a refuge cut your cost share the work.
Spam. Tons of Spam. It's the most calorie-dense food you can stockpile.
Beans sealed in nitrogen. They sprout well...and then prevent scurvy.
NOTHING that you have to cook. Nothing.
You'll run out of energy...or attract zombies.
Plant your fruit tress now. Clear that 20 x 30 foot garden space NOW. Stock hand tools...old fashioned stuff of high quality. Keep two of everything.
And above ever water, have lots of weapons and ammo. You can't live past 3 days with water. Almost 3 months without food.
Less than 3 seconds without good weapons and the will to use them.
One other note for even urban and suburban residents: Little Dogs. Even Chihuahua. Their eyes, ears and snouts will save your life and they don't eat much. But they MUST EAT MEAT. They can scavenge many of the essentials from bugs and grass...but they must have meat.
No, not canned dog food unless it's of the highest quality. Buy very low sodium canned meat. It will keep for at least 10 years in sufficient quality to nourish your BEST FRIEND.
Man has not survived without dogs for at least 50,000 years and now some scholars are saying 250,000 years. There's a R E A S O N for that. Their loyalty and their senses. They can be indoors and hear a cat sneaking around across the street.
Spam. Tons of Spam. It’s the most calorie-dense food you can stockpile.
What about crisco?
Not miasmal swamp, year round surface water, pleasant weather, sparse population (relatively), fertile soil, gun friendly, few libs, a still here and there.
While waiting for TEOTWAWKI, some of those states have decent tax policies, especially if you're retired.
I thought that this would work in a pinch for our canine friends:
1/3 Boiled rice.
1/3 Vegetables (I’ve found green beans to work well.
1/3 Meat or eggs. Easy to but away extra powdered eggs of SHTF.
There are pockets where the locals live that aren't unreasonable, though. The real world always has to be somewhere nearby, for the people who keep it all running to reside. Rosman in Transylvania County, NC might work, no froufrou resort town at all, but it's very insular and not that welcoming to outsiders.
Just find a nice holler with a good creek, not too close or you'll get a flash flood next time the remnants of a hurricane stall out overhead. Only one way in and out, no through traffic would be helpful too. Such places are around, just seldom well known.
Thanks for the info, Reg.
I’m looking for a place where the Piedmont turns from flat to hilly - maybe a 20-40 acre place where I could raise a few steers if I wanted. Piss away some fuel in my little tractor.
As far as insular, I make it a point to mind my own business. My grandfather hopped a freight from eastern Kentucky to enlist in WW1 so I might still have the proper mindset. ;)
All excellent advice.
I have about a years supply of top-of-the-line dry dog food stored in very tightly controlled temperature and humidity conditions. And, you know, if things get really bad, I can eat that food too.
Anyway, click on my name to see my dogs.
Try Henry Country, VA. Gently rolling east to foothills west, only one town of any note, Martinsville. Nice pastureland, dirt cheap. Caswell Country, NC, too.
Pool water isn’t a good source for drinking water. Most of the algaecides used in pools contains copper.
Good price for 15 acres remote lakefront vacant land in Rosman.
Pretty and cheaper than land here but how many snakes per acre?
I live in suburban Tampa. Its not the best location but could be worse.
We would like to relocate out west. Love the idea of being in the mountains but can’t see how we can afford it. Second choice is somewhere in the TN, Kentucky, South Carolina areas. Population density in that area is still pretty high.
I wish you good luck then!!!
If the SHTF, city dwellers are pretty much screwed. Those with the best chance are those who are the farthest away from civilization who have planned for sustainable sources of food and water.
Personally, I believe in preparing for multiple contingencies. A powerful earthquake would just have me hunkering down in my house. A financial collapse that leads to widespread unrest would have me going remote to an area that would provide me with isolation, water, lots of game, fowl, and fish. Very doable in Alaska if you have an airplane.
Liver, fish oil, bone meal and un-cooked bones should be added.
Alfalfa pellets and sprouts when you can find them. Fozen Blueberries...chopped or pureed...2-3 tablespoons (1 teaspoon for a chihuahua) at least twice per week.
Access to the great outdoors for the other stuff.
Cod Liver oil, meat, and bone meal are almost a complete diet if they can roam the woods.
We camp up there fairly regular...Warwoman WMA near Clayton. Very desolate....and plenty of fresh, clean, cold water.
Sure, but there's zero protein, minerals or vitamins in that.
Spam and grass (if chewed well) can keep you alive and healthy for at least two years.
“If the SHTF, city dwellers are pretty much screwed.”
I think thats a myth. Sure if you live in a high rise your chances will be slim. Otherwise the remote farmstead is highly vulnerable. Whether its the govt forcing you to relocate or looters seeking to steal what you have.
In a mad max scenerio it will take a small community working together to survive. In anything less there are advantages to living in areas more likely to receive aid or emergency resources.
I attended university nearby, and just don’t recall seeing all that many snakes, even during summers when I worked as a whitewater rafting guide on the Nantahala River.
The climate there is unusual for the east coast, a “thermal belt” with very mild temperate weather unless you’re well up the mountain, in which case you can find near alpine species and get a pretty decent annual snowfall. This makes the creeks, rivers and lakes cold, even though the climate is moderate in the valleys and hollers, warm instead of hot summers, mild winters with light snowfall.
Maybe that has something to do with it.
I use only backing soda and chlorine for my pool 7646 gallons.
You got me looking at land, dang it, lol.
Here’s 24 acres in Caswell County, NC, less than 2k per acre. Looks like much of the timber has been cut over and sold in the past five years, some former ag fields that appear to be something that could be put back to productive use with a bush hog and a good plowing. Creek on the property, but it is on a through route, so it’s not as removed as I’d prefer if I were looking for this sort of thing.
All in all, you could do worse and pay more for it, it’s not an ugly piece of property, just your usual parcel of an older, larger farm.
” Looks like much of the timber has been cut over and sold in the past five years, “
This isn’t the best news - in a long-term collapse situation, you’re gonna need a good-sized woodlot, since wood will be your only energy source for heating and cooking.. (Something to keep in mind when you outfit your house - wood-burning heating and cooking stoves are going to be more than cutesy household accents...)
The entire thing wasn’t cut over, and there were poplars and pines coming in about ffifteen feet tall or so. It’s servicable.
I just got to looking in areas I know to be very affordable, even cheap, as far as vacant land and have posted a few examples.
Here’s another and the last one I’ll post, Henry County, VA, town of Bassett, 23 acres for just over $1,000 per acre. You don’t find that every day in anyplace you’d actually want to live.
Snakes are a good source of protein.
And are quite delicious...if not overcooked.
Get you some Carolina Yellow Dogs. Snake problem solved.
Stuck here in Minnesota, there's too many months out of the year that snakes are hard to come by, and even in the summer they're small enough that I'd probably burn more calories cleaning them than I'd get from the meal.
Plenty of fish in the lake to eat though.
Does anybody use the word "vegetable" anymore?
And that’s the one thing I really need, but with things the way they are right now (financially) I don’t have the money to dig a well nor can I afford the manual pump....
This is the one thing that really weighs on my mind.
I do, but send you complaint to those who don’t, like the writer of the article.
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