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PolitiJim ^ | March 15, 2012 | Politi Jim

Posted on 03/16/2012 6:25:41 PM PDT by true believer forever

The wife of a close friend of mine returned from lunch with an older, female, Tea Party supporter and immediately had to tell me all about it.

“She was 100% a Santorum supporter,” my friend’s wife said.

I of course am fascinated by this, so I couldn’t wait to find out two things. “Why?” and, “Did she stay that way?”

You see, my friend’s wife is a no nonsense, salt of the earth, Catholic Tea Party heroine. She’s one of those women without whom the Early West would have ended up as a an American version of Afghanistan. You know, like inner city Detroit, Michigan or the boarded up parts of Kansas City. Those women were as strong as the men, diligent to a fault and made sure that basic values of goodness, hard work and integrity defined their progeny.

“Her entire support for him was about religion. When I asked her what Santorum had actually accomplished to make her think he should/could be President, her example was that he helped stop gay marriage from being stopped or adopted in some state.”

I’ve noticed an inordinate number of religious-ists who continue to present two arguments for Santorum. Namely:

* He’s a good Christian man of strong moral character, and, * Newt Gingrich cheated on his wives

(Excerpt) Read more at politijim.com ...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: election; newt; newtbotsforromney; religion; santorum
About sums it up.
1 posted on 03/16/2012 6:25:48 PM PDT by true believer forever
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To: true believer forever

If he just sat there for four years while the rest of us cleaned up the mess, it would still be an improvement.


2 posted on 03/16/2012 6:28:01 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: true believer forever
* He’s a good Christian man of strong moral character, and, * Newt Gingrich cheated on his wives,

It does sum up his support fairly well. A large number of people want someone they believe they can trust first and foremost.

3 posted on 03/16/2012 6:35:20 PM PDT by Ingtar
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To: true believer forever

I don’t get it! Most folks don’t give up on Hollywood, would never part with their TV, and don’t seem to give a hoot about what their kids are exposed to at school.
They have no problem absorbing the culture.
But with Gingrich and Santorum, you are right, they are under the microscope.


4 posted on 03/16/2012 6:36:45 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: Ingtar

More excerpts from the article, which is really worth a read..

“My wife’s friend pointed out to this extremely nice conservative lady that A) A President couldn’t pass a Federal anti-gay marriage Amendment only the states could, and B) that had nothing to do with the top 20 most important functions of a President. She AGAIN asked this lady what had Santorum had done to turn any economy around, get rid of government programs or unravel the messes of BOTH Bush and Obama?

“I don’t know how Santorum has done it, but he has completely hoodwinked these people into thinking religion is the #1 issue facing our country. She finally agreed that the economy and government control over EVERYTHING was the biggest threat our country faced. When I asked her who would do the most damage to kicking liberals out of Washington she looked like she was shocked at her own answer. Newt Gingrich.””

“... Unfortunately, just as those sensitive to race were dead wrong in thinking that Obama would HELP race relations, the truth is that Santorum’s approach as a fire brand preacher will end up dividing Americans even more, not winning them to his cause.”


5 posted on 03/16/2012 6:39:42 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: true believer forever

"What about Santorum? Is adultery worse than lying, greedy and unscrupulous politics that was called “unprincipled” by the backbone of the Tea Party in Pennsylvania in 2006? Does talking about “religion” make him any better of a person than Jim Bakker, Ted Haggard, or Jimmy Swaggert if his personal example of declaring he is a principled, pro-life candidate while not just endorsing – BUT CAMPAIGNING FOR an openly pro-partial birth abortion candidate?

Why does that make Rick a more “righteous” candidate? Or have ANYTHING to do with skills it takes to be President? Or getting elected?

6 posted on 03/16/2012 6:40:03 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Ingtar

However, Santorum married a woman that slept (out of wedlock) with a man 40 yrs her senior and an abortion doctor at that...so should we forgive her sins? was she moral? her affair went on for six years.


7 posted on 03/16/2012 6:42:48 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1
"What about Santorum? Is adultery worse than lying, greedy and unscrupulous politics that was called “unprincipled” by the backbone of the Tea Party in Pennsylvania in 2006? Does talking about “religion” make him any better of a person than Jim Bakker, Ted Haggard, or Jimmy Swaggert if his personal example of declaring he is a principled, pro-life candidate while not just endorsing – BUT CAMPAIGNING FOR an openly pro-partial birth abortion candidate?

Why does that make Rick a more “righteous” candidate? Or have ANYTHING to do with skills it takes to be President? Or getting elected?

IF, IF, IF we could just get 1/2 of Santorum supporters to consider and answer that question, Newt would be the winner. I just keep trying, like I know you do, every way I can. the slog is painful and slow..

8 posted on 03/16/2012 6:44:29 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: katiedidit1

Is she on the ballot?


9 posted on 03/16/2012 6:46:53 PM PDT by Ingtar
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To: true believer forever

I do not care which is more righteous. However, I must be in the other half - seeing Santorum as the better choice. In spite of having to vote in the Senate, his ACU rating is as good, or in his last year, better than Gingrich’s. The author seems to believe this is all about blind faith. It is about what we, the voters, believe to be our best chance to beat Obama and then right the country.

We are not saying that Newt is bad, simply that we find Santorum a better choice. I have already cast my ballot, so convincing me is meaningless. Newt will have to find a way to convince people who have not yet voted that he is trustworthy to turn this around to any degree.


10 posted on 03/16/2012 6:55:05 PM PDT by Ingtar
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To: true believer forever

Santorum is the Obama of the Right. Somehow Santorum has managed to cultivate the same kind of zombie-like fan base who project onto him their imaginary hopes, dreams, and idealizations of the man they wish Santorum to be.


11 posted on 03/16/2012 6:55:54 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Ingtar
"Is she on the ballot?"

Her husband is, who has said that Newt's past sins pretty much exclude him from qualification for the office of President. Apparently, past sins, forgiven by Christ Jesus, still pertain to character assessment, ongoing, no matter how long ago they occurred, or how much the person has changed or repented. By that standard, The Sanctimonium Standard, Karen is still a fornicator, sleeping with an avowed abortionist. It doesn't matter if has repented, changed or not, or hasn't done it in years, and regrets it very much. She is still who she was back then, a fornicator, sleeping around outside the sacrament of marriage, and Saint Rick is married to her. Let's be clear. Santorum has set the standard for past sins and forgiveness, who it applies to and who it doesn't, no one else has. He set it. He needs to be measured by it.

12 posted on 03/16/2012 6:56:08 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: Utmost Certainty

I don’t know how to fight against that kind of mass self-delusion. It’s creepy twilight zone stuff. Any ideas?


13 posted on 03/16/2012 6:57:13 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Ingtar

She wants to be first lady. Just goes to show you about Santorums judgement. A pro abortion senator..Spector, a pro abortion judge..Sotomyer and a wife that WAS pro abortion and slept around for six years!


14 posted on 03/16/2012 7:00:35 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Ingtar

She wants to be first lady. Just goes to show you about Santorums judgement. A pro abortion senator..Spector, a pro abortion judge..Sotomyer and a wife that WAS pro abortion and slept around for six years!


15 posted on 03/16/2012 7:00:47 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Utmost Certainty
Santorum is the Obama of the Right.

“... Unfortunately, just as those sensitive to race were dead wrong in thinking that Obama would HELP race relations, the truth is that Santorum’s approach as a fire brand preacher will end up dividing Americans even more, not winning them to his cause.”

do you remember when Obama was campaigning, how everyone was saying he would right our society of past sins, we would be a post racial society if he were elected. A few people understood then, I know rush and mark were among them, that obama would make race relations worse. Just like santorum will augment religious issues and morality issues into even greater divisiveness, and guess who will get portrayed as the hateful judgmental unforgiving religionists? We'll have daily cries of hate speech against Christians.

Santorum supporters need to wake up. I hope you read the entire article, even the links are very good.

16 posted on 03/16/2012 7:04:01 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: true believer forever
Have heard many Santorum supporters slam Calista..yet ignore Karen.
17 posted on 03/16/2012 7:05:21 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1
Have heard many Santorum supporters slam Calista..yet ignore Karen

James Dobson, has said of Callista: We can't have an adultress in the White House. To him, like most of Sanctimonium's supporters, Callista is still an adulterer, but Karen, for some reason, is not still a fornicator, sleeping around with an avowed abortionist.

18 posted on 03/16/2012 7:10:22 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: Utmost Certainty
zombie-like fan base who project onto him their imaginary hopes, dreams, and idealizations of the man they wish Santorum to be

This zombie-like Santorum fan projects the following hopes, dreams, and idealizations on to Rick Santorum:

  1. Rick Santorum is not Barack Obama
  2. Rick Santorum is not Mitt Romney
Oh, wait, those are both facts, not projections. My bad!

Just for the record, I'd be fine with Newt as the nominee also.

19 posted on 03/16/2012 7:11:49 PM PDT by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: true believer forever
Just like santorum will augment religious issues and morality issues into even greater divisiveness, and guess who will get portrayed as the hateful judgmental unforgiving religionists?

Of course. He's a caricature of religious zealotry that Leftists like to accuse Conservatives/Republicans of being. Santorum as the nominee would be very damaging to Conservatism and alienate a great many people. Likewise, Romney is a caricature of the rich country club corporate raider stereotype that the Left also likes to smear Republicans with.

I hope you read the entire article, even the links are very good.

Yeah, I caught onto that blog a few days ago when I ran across a few links posted at LI. Never heard of Politijim prior to this, but wow his entries on Santorum/etc. are by far and away among the most thorough and substantiated I've ever seen.
20 posted on 03/16/2012 7:12:50 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: WestwardHo
But with Gingrich and Santorum, you are right, they are under the microscope.

I don't know exactly what you call it, but a lot of people call it the Double Standard for Conservatives, especially Conservative women, though after the Rush thing, conservatives are finally fighting back a little more intensely... hope it keeps up.

21 posted on 03/16/2012 7:14:12 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: Utmost Certainty
"...his entries on Santorum/etc. are by far and away among the most thorough and substantiated I've ever seen.

He is a national Newt treasure. This is a link to his tour de force, he got so many requests for reprints, he finally made a pdf of it. It is a bit of a long read - maybe 10 min - but oh my it is worth it. It will take your support of Newt to a whole new level. PROMISE.

http://www.politijim.com/2012/02/dear-speaker-gingrich.html

22 posted on 03/16/2012 7:20:29 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: true believer forever

Thank you! Will read this.


23 posted on 03/16/2012 7:22:10 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: true believer forever
I don’t know how Santorum has done it, but he has completely hoodwinked these people into thinking religion is the #1 issue facing our country.

Complete and utter BS.

24 posted on 03/16/2012 7:26:16 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: true believer forever
Nice try, no cigar.

And yes, I sincerely mean to imply “that” on every incorrect PC level.

You do realise that Santorum is Catholic, and Catholics don't have “preachers”, firebrand or not, don't you?

Romney is the Obama mirror image, with an R instead of a D.

25 posted on 03/16/2012 7:26:41 PM PDT by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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To: true believer forever

We’re on the same page.
I wish the Right would keep their eyes on the Goal,
and not the personal issues, especially with Gingrich.
I’m sure his personal failures have made him smarter and
wiser about life. I know it has worked that way in my life!


26 posted on 03/16/2012 7:37:47 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: true believer forever
->James Dobson, has said of Callista: We can't have an adultress in the White House

I think he should retire and find a replacement -he is Not doing God's work.
I saw an interview with Newt. The anchor said- you know you should get out of this race because Mr. Speaker, you know James Dotson has ask his supporters not to support your candidacy due to your personal past making the numbers not there for you. Newt replied, I get it. ( And I get it too-false believers and pretenders on one side the radicals on the other and the patriots trying to hold the line) The goody 2 shoes are making this much worse than it needs to be. What are we now doing-putting people in groups like the libs do-Cheat on wife (you are spoiled goods-no redemption no purpose in society. I am so blessed to have had loving parents that did not drill in my head and fill my heart up to hate (think less of them) people who had sin. You would think Dr. Dobson knew that. No more of his petitions on my email and my donations to him and his groups. I thought he was a honest man. This is what gives the religious right room for criticisms. Talk the talk walk the walk. I met a lady at a restaurant (for business meeting). She told me that God has sent Rick Santorum in power to end gay marriage. I ask her-how can he do this? Her answer: Rick said at a rally that he would stop it and undo all of those kind of marriages. I tried to reason with her to no avail.

27 posted on 03/16/2012 7:45:30 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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You do realise that Santorum is Catholic, and Catholics don't have “preachers”, firebrand or not, don't you?

As a Santorum supporter, I am sure you have no realization of how ethically pliable Santorum is... plus the fact, if you heard him in Al and MS in some of his rallies, that were more like tent meetings than campaign stops, you would know ol' rickster knows how to wind them up and preach come to Jesus better than most... I would totally support any church he would start.

28 posted on 03/16/2012 7:48:25 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: WestwardHo
We’re on the same page.

I wish the Right would keep their eyes on the Goal, and not the personal issues, especially with Gingrich. I’m sure his personal failures have made him smarter and wiser about life. I know it has worked that way in my life!

And all the People said, Amen!

29 posted on 03/16/2012 7:56:54 PM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: katiedidit1
her affair went on for six years

she's running for???

30 posted on 03/16/2012 8:18:10 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: true believer forever

I’m confused, is the title referring to Politijim?


32 posted on 03/16/2012 9:38:48 PM PDT by God'sgrrl (twitter.com/Women4Santorum)
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To: Utmost Certainty
Yep...

The rule of law in this country is over. We are now in the age of elected Caesars.

33 posted on 03/16/2012 9:40:01 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Utmost Certainty
“Of course. He's a caricature of religious zealotry that Leftists like to accuse Conservatives/Republicans of being. Santorum as the nominee would be very damaging to Conservatism and alienate a great many people.”

I'm not sure how old you are but this very same thing was said about Ronnie when he was running. I think it turned out well.

Most people aren't afraid to stand up for religion. Others like i imagine you are need someone else to lead because your worried about the left making fun of you.

That's ok just follow and watch.

34 posted on 03/16/2012 9:44:00 PM PDT by Palin_Rubio2012
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To: true believer forever

Are you Jim’s wife by chance?

What amazes me is you can’t see how shallow his arguments against RS are. I read part one of his anti RS post and thought i was reading any lib newspaper.

Nothing against Newt at all but this guy is a light weight.


35 posted on 03/16/2012 9:53:39 PM PDT by Palin_Rubio2012
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I'm not sure how old you are but this very same thing was said about Ronnie when he was running. I think it turned out well.

Most people aren't afraid to stand up for religion. Others like i imagine you are need someone else to lead because your worried about the left making fun of you.

That's ok just follow and watch.


I'm in my late 20s, so no I wasn't politically cognizant during Reagan's term. Though I never got the impression that Reagan was fixated on religion and 'social issues' to the extent Santorum is.

I don't have a problem with people defending religion (except Islam, which is a menace to civilization)—and I say that as a distinctly nonreligious person. For instance, I've heard Newt rail multiple times against anti-Christian bigotry, and I appreciate that because it's obvious to me that such biases are actively condoned and perpetuated by the government and other societal institutions.

My problem with Santorum is that he's not a very well-rounded or robust candidate, and religion seems to be an overriding core fixation of his ideological platform as a whole. I suspect this will make him quite weak in a general election.
36 posted on 03/16/2012 10:05:14 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Utmost Certainty
well can i suggest you take some time and listen to his speeches from back then. He scared many on our side because he wasn't afraid to state his beliefs and the great role they played in the formation of this country.

I'm not a bible thumper or anything and RS isn't perfect but with foundation of religion he has a chance to be a good president and you'd be shocked how many would be drawn to that message.

37 posted on 03/16/2012 10:21:06 PM PDT by Palin_Rubio2012
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To: true believer forever

Its sad when someone votes based only on religion. Presidents are also CIC and policy setters...Voting for christian religion only, gave us Jimmy Carter, a born again christian that confessed he lusted in his heart once for a woman....bam, that got the religious voters big time and we all know how his presidencey turned out....I am not against Santorum, I was for Cain, but being president is not the same as voting for the pastor of your church...as we all found out with Carter....


38 posted on 03/16/2012 11:49:53 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: true believer forever

I thought conservatives weren’t supposed to engage in group think. She has a different opinion than you. So what?


39 posted on 03/17/2012 3:59:33 AM PDT by alnick
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To: Ingtar
In spite of having to vote in the Senate, his ACU rating is as good, or in his last year, better than Gingrich’s.

Newt's ACU rating when he left office was 100...I was unaware that there was a higher rating?

40 posted on 03/17/2012 7:40:36 PM PDT by Taxachusan ("Let me be clear...and cheerful." #withNEWT)
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To: Taxachusan

Odd, the numbers I saw were 91 and 90. I will have to recheck that.


41 posted on 03/17/2012 10:33:25 PM PDT by Ingtar
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To: Taxachusan

Ahh - the 91 for Santorum beat Newt’s average of 90, not the last year.


42 posted on 03/17/2012 10:47:30 PM PDT by Ingtar
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