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Why Rick Santorum Should Stop Talking About Porn
Forbes ^ | 03/18/12 | Christopher Helman

Posted on 03/18/2012 7:42:17 PM PDT by Fred

Last week Rick Santorum vowed to end America’s “pandemic of pornography,” insisting that if he were president he would limit the rights of adults to show and view images of consenting adults having sex. No doubt there is too much pornography in this country, and anyone thinking of watching it should go read their Bible instead. But what I want in a president is a pragmatist, not a panderer.

It would have been one thing for Santorum to say that his real crusade is against pedophilia or against child trafficking. Those are real evils that must be stopped. But that’s not what he said.

Here’s why Santorum should stop talking about porn.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: mittromney; newtgingrich; porn; porno; pornography; ricksantorum; santorum; santorum4romney; senatorsanctimonious; yellowjournalism
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To: Fred
Santorum lacks instincts and vision, which causes him him to get bogged down and easily co-opted into bearing his soft-underbelly feelings on lightning-rod issues.

That, coupled with his lack of sense of proportion between societal ills and societal kills, leaves him a quart low in the common sense department. It's a huge red flag for me.

A freight train from hell is bearing down on us...and we're tied to the tracks. Rick is busy trying to untie the ropes...he doesn't think to use or carry a sharp knife.

He's not ready...and he doesn't have the instincts to take him to where he needs to be.

He's the opposite of say...Sarah. She has instincts and vision in spades. And she has a sharp knife and isn't afraid to use it.

You either "have it," or you don't.

So the media instead plays with Santorum like a cat with a mouse--flipping him up in the air at their pleasure.

101 posted on 03/18/2012 9:16:55 PM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways, always.)
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To: Fred

I am a Christian, but I wish Santorum would stop being so preachy. Huckaby did that last go ‘round, and it did him in. America wants to hear about the issues, not religion, from a candidate. JMHO.....


102 posted on 03/18/2012 9:17:46 PM PDT by LUV W (This space reserved for heroes............my AF son....our troops....the vets from all wars...)
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To: Fred

Most folks think “Porn” is “Debbie does Dallas”...sorry, folks. It’s a lot worse than that. If you don’t believe me, ask your teenager, or your nearest gay relative...

Snuff films. Graphic stuff where the woman or young boy is degraded...

And then there is the “child” porn industry.

I had to stop HBO many years ago because it was full of nasty R rated movies showing men happily torturing women...

Better to watch women romping around happily with long dong silver than those R rated films...

again, excuse my language.


103 posted on 03/18/2012 9:18:38 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: Responsibility2nd

I’m pretty sure democrats made it so gays are in the military. So your winning platform is porn and rounding up gays and arresting them?


104 posted on 03/18/2012 9:20:01 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Sola Veritas

Why? When did self responsibility NOT become a conservative value? Not having a computer would solve the problem. Locking the computer with a password when/if kids are home alone costs nothing. The left continually argues that the government should take care of this or that so we don’t have to pay for it. Our children are ours. If it requires an extra expense, so be it. You can’t legislate morality, nor should you. That’s best left for the Taliban. You can TEACH values. Think about it...a government that can regulate what is viewed on the public Internet can decide who can be on the public airways as well. It’s a slippery slope. Besides, what do you do with porn that comes from other countries or whose servers reside outside of the US. Is he going to police the world?

cindie


105 posted on 03/18/2012 9:23:13 PM PDT by gardencatz (I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)
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To: Miss Behave

Grrr. Bearing=baring. :-/


106 posted on 03/18/2012 9:23:54 PM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways, always.)
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To: EEGator

Sure. Why not.

Beats your backing a lib like Paul and settling for Obomney.


107 posted on 03/18/2012 9:27:18 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: outofstyle

Mitt really seems to have covered his bases here.

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A presidential race takes more than a good candidate. A majority of us on The Free Republic would have the right values and positions to be a good president. It takes a lot more than that. It takes money, lots of it and the skill to raise a ton of it. Money and looks aren’t enough. Organization. I takes a great deal of organization. Newt has been in politics for ever but didn’t have enough organization to get on the ballot in Virginia. Santorum has missed a lot of requirements too. He will not be eligible for all the delegates in Illinois simply because he was not organized enough to have someone do the paperwork.

Don’t misunderstand me, the work to become president is daunting, you can’t do it without an organization behind you. Romney learned he wasn’t organized enough when he ran against McCain. Romney has not stopped since that election cycle. He has been campaigning since 2007. He has people working for him in every possible location, we’re talking about thousands of people. It takes committment, dedication, money and organizational skills to do that.

Obama had the organizational skills to beat Hillary, that didn’t make him a good president and the most organized and well funded has nothing to do with who is the candadate most like me. The candidate with the most money, the most people and best organizational skills will however likely be more effective in the office, for good or bad, than someone without those skills.

It is obvious that Romney wants this bad enough to devote the last 5+ years to it. I only wish that Michelle Bachman would have been so dedicated.


108 posted on 03/18/2012 9:27:29 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Responsibility2nd; EEGator
RE :”For starters, how about a return to Sodomy Laws. What’s wrong with that? All 50 states used to have them. And we were a better, more prosperous county then as well.

I have ranted scores of times here AGAINST that SCOTUS decision that was made by O Connor's swing vote. That was just a step in what led us to repeal of DADT today.
The states should be making their own sodomy and abortion laws without Federal interference.

However I sure don't want to be on the side that calls for a Federal sodomy law. I am consistent in my distrust of federal power.

109 posted on 03/18/2012 9:28:55 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: Responsibility2nd

I voted for Newt. You act like a petulant child, no wonder you want a nanny state. You can have the last word.


110 posted on 03/18/2012 9:30:08 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: gardencatz

“You can’t legislate morality”

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I cringe every time I hear that. It’s a liberal lie. You can, you must, you will legislate morality.

Obammie, Sloe Joe, Hillary... they are legislating morality right now. As we FReep.

You can legislate morality. The question is.. WHO’S MORALITY?


111 posted on 03/18/2012 9:30:53 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: sickoflibs

Because you will not support a Federal sodomy law (assuming such a thing were ever proposed) you are opening up the door for Federal laws permitting gay marriages with penalties for any religion refusing to honor such perveted unions.

You think that day is not soon coming? You know it is.


112 posted on 03/18/2012 9:35:36 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
RE :”Because you will not support a Federal sodomy law (assuming such a thing were ever proposed) you are opening up the door for Federal laws permitting gay marriages with penalties for any religion refusing to honor such perveted unions.”

WTF are you talking about? The Federal government permits states to marry gays NOW. It just doesn't recognize them and they shouldnt. No one has to pass a federal law permitting gay marriages. Its none of the Feds business. You are completely confused. Let the states determine their own morality laws.

113 posted on 03/18/2012 9:43:20 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: crusty old prospector
Amen. Not to mention the Abortion holocaust.

I tremble when I consider that there is a just God in Heaaven who sees every sparrow fall...and ever innocent, precious child rent asunder in their mother's womb.

His judgement for such a hideous crime perpetrated by such a favored people will be harsh if we do not turn from this path.

II CHRON 7:14

114 posted on 03/18/2012 9:45:14 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: crusty old prospector; All

And you ‘save the world from itself’ folks don’t realize that America will NOT BE HERE TO HELP THE REST OF THE WORLD IF IT IS CRUMBLED.

And there will still be porn.

Hell, there are ancient porn scrolls in China. Are they the downfall of American society as well?


115 posted on 03/18/2012 9:45:14 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: tacticalogic
> Here’s an idea. Just talk about those things that are actually delegated to the federal government, and authorized by an enumerated power.

Nah, that's too radical. That kind of idealistic advice sounds like it comes from some starry-eyed revolutionary or somethin'... :)

116 posted on 03/18/2012 9:48:39 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Christie at the beach

Standing ovation!!!


117 posted on 03/18/2012 9:48:45 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: Responsibility2nd

That’s the point!

Have you noticed that the Democrats don’t argue about morals anymore? They don’t have to!

They’re legislating the country to conform to their vision while you are worried about the church and homosexual marriage. Have you noticed that some states already allow homosexual marriage?

They have removed your First Amendment protection under Obamacare. They will do more.

They are out-legislating all of your arguments.


118 posted on 03/18/2012 9:52:09 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("For the sake of our party we must stand united, whoever our nominee is."-Sarah Palin)
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To: gardencatz; Sola Veritas; EEGator
RE :”Not having a computer would solve the problem. Locking the computer with a password when/if kids are home alone costs nothing. The left continually argues that the government should take care of this or that so we don’t have to pay for it. Our children are ours. If it requires an extra expense, so be it.

Handing your child a computer and internet with no controls (which are easily available to get) and then demanding that the Feds censor it to protect them for you is like handing your kid a loaded handgun with the safety on and then demanding federal gun control laws to protect him from it.

119 posted on 03/18/2012 9:52:22 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: crusty old prospector
Amen. Not to mention the Abortion holocaust.

I tremble when I consider that there is a just God in Heaaven who sees every sparrow fall...and ever innocent, precious child rent asunder in their mother's womb.

His judgement for such a hideous crime perpetrated by such a favored people will be harsh if we do not turn from this path.

II CHRON 7:14

120 posted on 03/18/2012 9:52:46 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Breto

Did you see his interview on This Week this morning?. It was a very small part of the interview and was at the end. He merely stated his position on enforcing obscenity laws, and that was it. He was hardly lead around by it.


121 posted on 03/18/2012 9:53:51 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Rick Santorum For President)
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To: sickoflibs

I will type slower. And on a 5th grade level. So maybe you will know WTF I’m talking about.

I said a day will come soon when the Federal Government will pass a law that will let gays marry.

You want the states to pass these kinds of laws. I don’t.

I don’t want any government - state or federal - to pass laws that lets gays marry.

But because you think it is OK for the states to let gays marry, I said then that type of liberal thinking will soon allow the Federal government to pass gay marriage laws too.

(I hope you understand this explanation. If not - ask a grown up to help you understand it.)


122 posted on 03/18/2012 9:55:28 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: sickoflibs

It takes one minute to set up a password lock, and the material filter. Nanny state people are as annoying as dems. They want more government, same as dems.


123 posted on 03/18/2012 9:57:01 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Melas

“No. Malcolm Forbes was not a homosexual and no one will ever convince me otherwise.”

Are you kidding? Steve revealed this when he was running for president, didn’t he?

Just because a family member is gay doesn’t mean anything. News flash: You can’t control what your parents or brothers or sisters do.


124 posted on 03/18/2012 9:57:45 PM PDT by garjog
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To: TChad

It really isn’t like that, though. This has been on his site for months. He said he has been asked his position and put it on his website. A liberal reporter, looking to cause a stir, decided to write an article about it. Of course the MSM decided to run with it. In interviews, he has addressed it very simply when asked and moved on.


125 posted on 03/18/2012 9:59:15 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Rick Santorum For President)
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To: savagesusie

See post #125.


126 posted on 03/18/2012 10:01:48 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Rick Santorum For President)
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To: MtBaldy

The liberals will tell you that, and the problem is, conservatives go right along with it. He scares them because he lives his faith, and there is one thing the left hates, and that’s Christianity and Judeo-Christian values. The truth is, in polls he does as well, if not better, than Romney against Obama.


127 posted on 03/18/2012 10:02:21 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Rick Santorum For President)
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To: Sola Veritas

Exactly. He hit the nail on the head perfectly.


128 posted on 03/18/2012 10:10:45 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Rick Santorum For President)
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To: Pinkbell

Had an ex who would demand information about former gf’s, go insane if I did not answer or tried to deflect, then go more insane when I answered (to keep her from breaking more stuff) and break more stuff, more rapidly. FWIW, I did not answer such questions in the hope of mollifying the tantrum, but with the knowledge that doing so would ramp her up so fast it would end (for the time being) - just cutting out part of the fuse to control the big boom.

The only way to deal with insanity is to get away from it. Don’t know how Santorum can effectively get around it - he can’t leave the press, can’t shoot them, and deflecting will only get them more irate.

He could have made the point to the people through the media, that unlike the current chief executive, he intended to enforce all the laws as a good executive should. We have laws against porn which are deliberately and specifically not enforced, DOMA is not enforced, laws against illegal immigration are not enforced, laws against straw purchases of firearms are not enforced, money laundering... Heck, 0 doesn’t even enforce Obamacare.


129 posted on 03/18/2012 10:22:57 PM PDT by Apogee
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To: JAKraig

You are correct, it *is* up to congress and the courts to decide on the laws. They have done so, and the executive is not enforcing them.
Santorum is absolutely correct to say that he will enforce the laws congress has passed, unless an until (barring rare times when an executive check would make acting otherwise the right thing to do) the courts rule against them. He should be calling for impeachment for O’s failure to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed (USC Art II, section 3), but that won’t happen.


130 posted on 03/18/2012 10:23:34 PM PDT by Apogee
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To: Apogee

Just curious how this opinion piece got posted as news, let alone posted as breaking news?


131 posted on 03/18/2012 10:29:17 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Tax codes and spending don't get 14 year olds pregnant and on welfare. Morality Matters.)
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To: autumnraine
“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.”
― George Washington
132 posted on 03/18/2012 10:42:22 PM PDT by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: Pinkbell

It is his mouth that answers the questions. The problem is if he talks about fixing the financial mess this country is in he will get even less votes. Americans are not going to vote for belt tightening.


133 posted on 03/18/2012 10:44:50 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: All
It amazes me that many Freepers are so easily manipulated and swayed by the media. Why do we believe ANYTHING in the media, especially their characterization of the candidates?

If Santorum’s website has a statement about obscenity laws or any other issue or opinion, it should be addressed in context.

I think we need to find a way to marginalize the media's influence instead of giving credence to their characterizations. To hell with their distortions and deceptions.

134 posted on 03/18/2012 10:45:03 PM PDT by KMJames
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To: autumnraine

Amen!


135 posted on 03/18/2012 10:47:28 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: EEGator

You got it right. There are few conservatives left. Nannystaters have coopted conservative. They stand for big government. Next they will advocate a Nanny Zar to oversee a New government agency.


136 posted on 03/18/2012 11:02:41 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: devolve

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137 posted on 03/18/2012 11:30:45 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: garjog

I don’t trust anything that comes out after a man is dead and can no longer speak for himself. If there was anything in his closet he kept it there where it belonged.


138 posted on 03/18/2012 11:55:35 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: KMJames

The good old days...


139 posted on 03/18/2012 11:57:02 PM PDT by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: Fred
The author saves the answer for his last paragraph:

Ultimately, we have bigger problems than restricting what adults can do with other adults. If Santorum really wants to fight obscenity he should focus on limiting the crazy things senators and congressmen do with unconsenting taxpayer dollars.

140 posted on 03/19/2012 12:02:45 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Responsibility2nd

What morality are they legislating? You can make rules that make certain things illegal. I don’t want to turn into a nation that stones people to death for being gay or watching porn, etc. America must not turn into a country like those that practice sharia. Morality must come from deep in one’s soul. It can be taught (especially by example from parents, teachers, etc.) but it can’t be forced.

Cindie


141 posted on 03/19/2012 1:07:49 AM PDT by gardencatz (I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)
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To: Fred

Santorum should, if asked about it, state that he opposes the spread of porn, but will leave it to the states. This is a huge loser of an issue that will resonate negatively with voters rightly worried about federal intrusion into their private lives. Santorum should ditch this issue in a hurry.


142 posted on 03/19/2012 4:14:41 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: VideoDoctor
....... comments on porn as if it's a primary issue.....

Voilà, the problem with "social conservatives." Hard to explain to people that was is needed is a "Constitutional" Conservative, fiscal and government restraint, and whatever else people are going to do, they are going to do unless it harms others and they need to be restrained.

OK, then. Porn is bad. Now about my plan for saving the Republic.....

I, so far in this "Republican Primary," have not heard 1 (one) candidate propose a coherent, concrete program, a plan to implement it, and an explanation of how he, specifically is going to do that step by step. I believe I have had enough apple pie, motherhood, and "The American Way" to last me the rest of my life. We are living through quite possibly the worst Presidency in the history of the Republic, so I don't actually have to be told how bad Obama is. What I need to know is the Program, The Plan, The Implementation, and who the leader is to correct it before it is actually too late.

Will Rogers: "The way to stop the NAZI submarine menace is to boil the ocean. How that is done is a minor problem I must leave to smaller minds."

143 posted on 03/19/2012 4:53:37 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: crusty old prospector
Whatever means to an end so my kids don’t have to look at smut every time they get on the internet or myself for that matter.

That's the kind of thinking that got us into this mess to start with.

From George Washington's Farewell Address

"It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power, and proneness to abuse it, which predominates in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. The necessity of reciprocal checks in the exercise of political power, by dividing and distributing it into different depositaries, and constituting each the guardian of the public weal against invasions by the others, has been evinced by experiments ancient and modern; some of them in our country and under our own eyes. To preserve them must be as necessary as to institute them. If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield."

144 posted on 03/19/2012 4:57:37 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: right way right; Breto

The media is playing with Rick Santorum like a pack of children kicking a puffball. They give him a little prodding and a most entertaining cloud of weirdness comes spewing out. If he were to be nominated they would kick him a little harder and “fun’s over.”
But for Rick Santorum, these proddings just enable him to let a little more mission emerge, and he thinks it’s a good thing.


145 posted on 03/19/2012 5:00:11 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Gingrich 2012: Open Throttle for America)
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To: Responsibility2nd
RE :”I said a day will come soon when the Federal Government will pass a law that will let gays marry.

You make no sense. Ever try reading the news?
Certain States already marry gays. They didnt need a federal law for that so they have no need to pass one in the future.

I don't need you or obama trying to rule all 50 states. I don't trust him and I dont trust you and I know that any new power created by Republicans will be used when thje Dems get in power.

146 posted on 03/19/2012 5:01:49 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: sickoflibs; Responsibility2nd
WTF are you talking about? ...Its none of the Feds business. You are completely confused. Let the states determine their own morality laws.

Sickoflibs, you are right in principle but R2nd is also right. The reason is, America itself is now "completely confused." Not enough people today understand this distinction between federal powers and state powers. Indeed, I would say it'd take you all day to find anyone on a crowded street who knows the difference, or why the fedgov shouldn't touch "morality laws" and why the states may.

This is now a democracy and the demos is stupid. Probably irretrievably stupid.

The fedgov WILL take sides on sodomy, gay marriage, etc. Whether or not it should, is an issue lacking intelligent minds to examine and dispute it.

Our free republic exists only on the internet now.

147 posted on 03/19/2012 5:23:20 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Gingrich 2012: Open Throttle for America)
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To: Keyes2000mt

Good luck with Santorum. He’s a nightmare along with the rest of the GOP field. Until Republicans learn how to get elected without focusing on secondary issues that make them look out of touch we’ll continue to have Marxists in the White House.

Personally, I could give a $#!+ if the guy in the White House gets his jollies looking at porn. I just don’t want him forcing me to buy Healthcare....


148 posted on 03/19/2012 5:23:57 AM PDT by freebilly (Obama Sings While America Sinks....)
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To: EEGator; Pan_Yans Wife
RE :”It takes one minute to set up a password lock, and the material filter. Nanny state people are as annoying as dems. They want more government, same as dems

They want Republicans in charge to expand federal power and then when Dems take over they scream and whine about the constitution.

The problem with this issue is that technology (PC’s, internet) has pretty much destroyed the ‘for profit’ porn industry. Gone are the days of seedy Times Square, 8mm movies and the fight over glossy magazines at newsstands. Those are things for the history books that had visible figures to dislike that made lots of money.

Today a battle like some want would require much like the successfully killed anti-piracy bill giving the feds power to shut down internet domains. Or worse yet, to monitor our internet activity closely to come after us. Dems could have a field day with that power when they get in charge.

149 posted on 03/19/2012 5:26:43 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: Pinkbell

Because its easy to get Saint Rick to meltdown and go off into tangents and BS.

Its the F’NG economy stupid!


150 posted on 03/19/2012 5:30:47 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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