Posted on 03/19/2012 6:39:45 PM PDT by angelcindy
DHS ALSO HAS A BID OUT FOR 175 MILLION ROUNDS OF . 223 OR M-16/
REQUIREMENT: The total requirement is to provide an estimated 33 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber SD and 2 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber EP ammunition in the base year and an estimated 33 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber SD and 2 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber EP ammunition in each of four option years in accordance with Attachment 2, Statement of Work for .223 Remington Caliber SD and .223 Remington Caliber EP Ammunition.
The Department of Homeland security has just executed an order for enough rounds of 40 caliber ammunition to kill every man, woman and child in the United States.
A shocking new defense contract entered by the Department of Homeland Security to secure a massive amount of ammunition, with the option for infinite supply and infinite delivery, raises the question of just what they are preparing for? Massive civil unrest? An invasion by a foreign power?
The order is to supply 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition, which is more than one bullet for every single person in the United States.
The contract also comes with the additional caveat that the order is forward-looking, which means it can be revised upward or downward depending on a variety of factors, some of which also happen to contribute to civil unrest — including governmental spending, budgetary policies and economic conditions.
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A) Target Practice.
B) Shoot People.
I guess I need to go buy some more ammo tomorrow.
With that volume, it makes you wonder whether they might be trying to kill the supply chain for civilians.
Because the media has Obama’s back.
The better to control the masses?
My same thought.
Geez, that is even more than I have!
Janet Napalitano gonna secure the border?
To shoot half of us 3 times each.
1. They didn’t “order” that much, they have a contract that locks the price in for up to 450 million rounds for an extended period of time. In other words, someone isn’t shipping 450 million rounds to someone this year, they are just locking in the price for future orders.
2. Sounds like a lot, but it really isn’t. Let’s just take the US Army for example. They have about 1.5 million active and 1.5 million in reserve. Let’s just use a clean 1 million number. If they blow off 50 rounds of pistol ammo per week in practice, you are looking at billions of rounds used.
3. I believe that some agencies are standardizing calibers to the .40 (mentioned this yesterday as having read this in several LEO forums). Over x number of years to replace the ammo plus practice, etc, you can burn through 450 million rounds rather quickly. Even considering the armed agencies that fall under DHS- FBI, Secret Service, Coast Guard, etc (not counting for if the contract extends beyond DHS).
You don’t have 625 million rounds at the house?
C) After they collapse the economy, 450 million rounds of .40 will 1) be good during the seige, and 2) become the new currency of the country.
If that was their goal, they would be doing this to popular civilian rounds. (9mm, .38, .45, etc). Even the .380 is more popular than the .40.
I would like some context before deciding what this means. How much ammunition did they buy each year over the past five years? Is this more, less or about the same? This isolated set of facts, with nothing to compare them to, tell us nothing.
Probably has something to do with that scary EO the Wan just signed Friday under the radar. Interesting article/thread about it just above this one - seems the current EO is a “new and improved” version of one Slick Willie had penned years ago.
This one includes the DHS.
Coincidence? Hmmm.......
Because they can’t handle 10mm?
Sorry, that is a rational thought. Not allowed here.
We use to make our own.
Was a lot cheaper. And it was for hunting deer that we ate all summer long in lunches and steaks.
It’s probably illegal now.
“Thousands of agents shooting qualifications several times a year. Use a lot of ammo.”
Assume 20,000 agents (seems like a lot, though, doesn’t it?), 450,000,000 rounds, is 22,500 rounds per agent. Let’s say 10 times a year, so now they’re shooting 2,250 rounds each time. Even if they’re using 20-round magazines, they’re going through 112 clips each time....?
So is that a lot per outing, or is my agent estimate too low?
http://www.luckygunner.com/federal-40-s-w-ammo-for-sale-40sw180hstjhpfedxm40hc-50
You can get the same ammo as TSA JBT’s.
If there are overruns now, why do they order more?
You seem to have all the details.
Extended time? Not being shipped this year?
How long?
When is it being shipped?
US Army for example.... If they blow off 50 rounds of pistol ammo per week in practice
If ya think everyone in active duty/non-activy duty U.S. Army are blowing through 50 rounds every week, for target practice, you're in lala land.
because they have a whole bunch of .40 caliber guns?
LOL....
Because they need so much practice to kill dogs.
Even at 30,000 agents, that over 15,000 pistol rounds each...
LOL!
You estimate is far too low as well as frequency. Let's just take DHS for example as they have the specific contract (but it isn't stated if that contract extends to other agencies like the DOD).
Just the 'armed' departments under DHS include: FBI, US Marshall Service, ICE, Federal Air Marshall Service, Secret Service, Layered Nuclear Defense Agency, National Fugitive Operations Service, Protective Investigation Service, Diplomat Security Service, US Coast Guard...etc.. (say close to 100K armed under this umbrella)
There also is the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in which many State and Local law enforcement agencies receive training.
You also have to account that members of some of these agencies are practicing every week, not just a few times a year for qualification.
Then, take into account that the contract isn't a 1 lump sum 450 million rounds but simply locking in a contract up to five years for up to 450 million rounds at that price. They could buy one thousand rounds or one million rounds. It isn't a sale, just a pricing agreement.
It isn't as scary as people are making it out to be. Especially when one considers how many billions of rounds taxpayers buy for government agencies each year. (I'm sure the DOD umbrella burns through several billion alone).
Not yet. Not a bad time to stock up on reloading supplies. You can still get some good deals at gun shows from private sellers.
This isolated set of facts, with nothing to compare them to, tell us nothing.”
Patience Prudence - I am sure there is a whole slew of investigative reporters working on this story right now and they’ll be right back with all the details. /sarc
Not illegal yet. Getting pretty expensive but not illegal.
C) Generate commissions and profits for Obama’s political allies.
There is no way these people " target practice" this much, unless their each burning through *thousands* of rounds every damn week. Come on.
In fact, few people who are *totally* in pistol shooting, shoot anywhere near these number of rounds.
They could buy one thousand rounds or one million rounds. It isn't a sale, just a pricing agreement.
Meanwhile, the drumbeat of Dictator Baby-Doc Barak continues to grow louder - - .
When my brother was in the army he told me he would go a long, long, time between going to the range.
High volume contracts irregardless of market circumstances.
It is a five year contract
You just said they could buy as little as little as a thousand rounds. Did I misunderstand you? Did you misspeak?
without getting into too much detail about how i know,look at FLETC.gov.
a single agency can use up tens of thousands of rounds per week.
No, they could, but when does the government every undercut its own budget? (think baseline budgeting, they will make sure to fill it over the five year period just so they can keep their department’s budget growing). It is a better ‘risk’ than a similar order to a private supplier.
The point is this isn’t a purchase, just a pricing contract.
People are going all chicken little over normal events. Stuff like this just keeps people living in fear instead of being empowered.
(Also, note that this seems to be an annual ‘fear’ people get. In 2009 people were freaking out over a similar order, 200 million to ICE - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2407642/posts )
Hell, when I was in the military, I shot my pistol maybe 10x per year, and just a few clips. That was it.
Everyone needs to ask themselves, when was the last time Department of Homeland security, fired even 100 stinking rounds during the course of their careers, in a real life situation?
Has DHS as a whole, in totality, even fired 100 rounds in a fire fight?
I must have missed it.
175 million? I guess they feel that only half of us are a threat to them.
,,,,,,,, THE OCTOBER SURPRISE ,,,,,,
CIVIL WAR and MARTIAL LAW . . .
Big deal...You're talking *hundreds* of *millions* of rounds...For DHS???
Everyone needs to ask themselves, when was the last time Department of Homeland security, fired even 100 stinking rounds during the course of their careers, in a real life situation?
Has DHS as a whole, in totality, even fired 100 rounds in a fire fight?
I must have missed it.
The point is this isn’t a purchase, just a pricing contract.
Isn’t the Coast Guard part of DHS now having been moved from Treasury?
“With that volume, it makes you wonder whether they might be trying to kill the supply chain for civilians.”
Bingo!
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