Posted on 03/20/2012 7:47:26 AM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Seems to me Tebow might be a good fit in Miami. This might easily end up being the best thing that could have happened. I’m not sure how it gives the haters any reason to crow.
If I were Manning, I’d be carefull to stay off the field during thunder storms.
“If Broncos management reaps what it has sown, the team will return to worst from first in its division.”
I’ll be looking forward to it.
I admire Tebow but this move has nothing to do with his outspoken Christianity. It’s not personal, it’s business
It was a business decision and absolutely NOTHING to do with religion. However, I guess blaming religion is dramatic and will allow people to yell and scream for a day or two. First of all, Tebow STILL does not have a Superbowl. Manning has at least a couple. Who would you take if you were an employer? A guy who has run his own business successfully for 15 years or a guy who just graduated from college? Every decision is about money!!!!
I like Tebow and what he stands for, but he won’t be the Broncos QB, not because of his religion, but because he was absolutely terrible 90% of the time. Plus, Manning may be the greatest QB ever....certainly top 10. Anyone in need of a QB would want him if he’s near 100%...and the Broncos really need a QB.
I don’t think Tebow’s religion had anything to do with this. It’s Peyton Manning we’re talking about, not Curtis Painter.
Certainly no one here knows for sure.
Personally, I'm hoping Oakland picks him up;)
But Tebow isn't Jesus.
If Tebow was laying down a prayer rug every game he’d be the hottest property in the NFL.
Really? LOL
Exactly. I’m well past tired of the Billy Budd treatment. Peyton Manning is one of the best ever. If he has anything left it will be light years better to say nothing of his unparalleled knowledge of the game. An easy decision from a football perspective.
Why do I care? Peyton is a great quarterback and a great entertainer; that’s what he’s paid to be. Good luck to him. It is, on the other hand, a sizeable gamble on Denvers’ part. If he crashes, it’s their a$$. One thing for sure; Tim Tebow is going to be a major winner no matter where, or if, he plays, period. Tim Tebow doesn’t need Denver, or Manning, or NFL football, to achieve fulfillment or to be a force. He already has, and is.
Love Peyton and Love Timmy...
but starting to hate Broncos to take on an iffy though proven QB by bumping a scrambler who, while not pretty on the field, got the team to the play-offs and refused to take any credit for it...
Yeah, it’s business but business without some sentiment is cold-blooded...
tell the fans to keep sentiment out of it and see what you get....
Funny thing... Tebow’s getting more press over this than Manning is. Lots of people will turn on the tube this fall to watch Tebow, wherever he goes. I wonder how many will do the same for Manning?
This is the problem with the “persecuted” section of Christianity, they think everything bad that happens to everybody who wears a cross happens because of the cross. Meanwhile back in reality any team would chuck aside a QB with a completion percentage under 50 for Peyton Manning. Yeah Peyton is old and we can’t be sure about that neck, but he’s still Peyton Manning who has rewritten half the QB record book. And yeah Tebow is a nice guy and a team leader, but he’s still got a completion percentage that Rex Grossman could make fun of. There’s tons of wide open Christians in the NFL keeping their jobs because their good at them, Tebow is getting traded away because he isn’t good at it.
Funny thing... Tebow’s getting more press over this than Manning is. Lots of people will turn on the tube this fall to watch Tebow, wherever he goes. I wonder how many will do the same for Manning?
Anybody that pays attention to football knows what the motives were. When given the choice between a Hall of Famer and nice guy that doesn’t really do the job well you pick the guy bound for Canton every single time. Sucks for the nice guy, but that’s life. And meanwhile there’s plenty of teams out there that aren’t in the hunt for the playoffs that will pickup a high profile popular player just because he puts butts in the seats.
Let's keep that performance in perspective... he took his team to the playoffs against the odds. Not bad for a rookie.
Lots of people seem to want to take potshots at Tebow because he's no Joe Montana. Well, he's a first-year quarterback; I'd say it's too soon to tell whether he's Joe Montana or not.
Let's keep that performance in perspective... he took his team to the playoffs against the odds. Not bad for a rookie.
Lots of people seem to want to take potshots at Tebow because he's no Joe Montana. Well, he's a first-year quarterback; I'd say it's too soon to tell whether he's Joe Montana or not.
Maybe I’m taking this way out on a limb with this analogy but Tebow’s treatment is reminding me some of the Bibilical figure of Joseph who was unfairly dishonored but eventually winded up with highest honor among men. Anyway— here’s wishing the best for classy Tebow wherever his next endeavors wind up.
For all we know, the Broncos were embarrassed by the attention/controversy generated by Tebow's outspokeness.
Given the nature of the NFL and Tebow's performance last season I don't think its unreasonable to have suspicions.
Let’s keep that performance in perspective, he got his team to 8-8 which in that division was good enough for a 3 way tie by beating mostly teams that finished under 500 in his SECOND season in which he fumbled the ball more times than he threw TDs while his defense was giving 2 less TDs a game than they were before him.
Tebow has earned the pot shots, he’s a second year QB with atrocious career statistics: completion % - 47.3, yards per pass - 6.8, TDs - 17, INTs - 9, sacks - 39, fumbles - 14. Yeah he was showing some improvement in his 6 game win streak, but then came the season ending 3 game losing streak where-in he completed a TOTAL of 30 passes. He’s a nice guy, but he’s not a good QB, and anybody that would keep him over Peyton Manning is an idiot.
I wouldn't advocate keeping him over Peyton Manning, but I might advocate keeping them both, and having Manning mentor Tebow.
It’s not an opinion, it’s stats. It’s not like they’re chucking him aside for Matt Hasslebeck, this is Peyton Manning. If the Broncos were embarrassed it was by his 30 total completions in the last 3 games of the regular season. Given the nature of the NFL and Tebow’s performance last season it’s completely ridiculous to have suspicions. 30 completed passes in 3 games. Who would keep that guy as their QB when a HOFer is available?
If you compare the records of Peyton Manning and Tim Tebow, there's no comparison. One's a future Hall of Famer with a Super Bowl Ring and is a coach on the field. One's an unorthodox second year player with some potential and leadership qualities. Both players are well known as good people.
Tebow may someday be a good starting QB someday, but don't turn him into Kurt Warner.
I don’t think this is a Christian based decision. However, Manning is a bit long in the tooth to continue playing good ball and will probably sit the bench too much to have been worth the hassle.
I understand that, but what I get from the article is the way that Brady did a reprehensible thing (according to decent people), and Ben was accused of assault (but never proved), and there was not much complaining by the public. Replacing Tebow with Manning has the anti-religious people in a tizzy. I think they're the ones that should be told that it's "strictly business".
Because Payton Manning is a 36 year old with chronic neck problems, and Tebow is a healthy rookie with a very promising future.
God has a plan for Tim. He will come out fine even if he never plays another down.
absolutely NOTHING to do with religion.
Rightttt.. Lets go with that..
Manning was a great QB.
Should have retired and will not want to watch any game he is in.
Does ANYONE think that the NFL is going to allow Manning to get seriously injured on the field? There will be so many phantom roughing the QB calls that he might as well be wearing a flag at the hip!
On the other hand does ANYONE think that opposing players are not going to try and take him out?
Going to be a circus instead of a football game.
absolutely NOTHING to do with religion. // Rightttt.. Lets go with that..
I agree with Tebow on religion and I would make this move.
You don't mind if I help you say that again do you?
If that were true, the Colts wouldn't have let him go. Apparently the team that knew him best didn't think he was worth keeping.
I think Elway and crew made a personal, not business, decision. Tebow took the Broncos to their first playoff in SIX years, and the fans were excited again--and buying merchandise like crazy. Manning's got what? A year or two? Maybe? Tebow's got a good 15 years ahead of him. Elway made a lousy business decision--but then it was obvsious to all he had a personal dislike of Tebow from the start. He'll regret his choice.
Yeah, *Eli* Manning.
(Peyton Manning is less than 50% (9-10) in the post-season. He's been to the Super Bowl twice, but you probably don't want to bring up the time he lost. It was pretty horrid. They're still laughing about it in New Orleans.)
Actually I don’t understand why this is necessarily a good business deal on the end. I understand completely that Peyton will make the Broncos contenders -—— but for about maybe 2 years —— and then after that the Broncos will have to find a future starting QB and fit a team around whomever. So while I understand the “win now” idea of management, the Broncos could be “one hard sack” on Peyton away from total disaster and many more years of being in the cellar of the NFL
There’s a salary cap and because the previous management of the Broncos drafted Tebow too early he’s a first rounder (late first round but still first round) making a good chunk of money, add that to what they have to pay Peyton and you’re talking tying up about 1/5 of their cap on those 2. Not good math, hard to stock the other 51 members of the roster with quality with that much money tied up on players that won’t even be on the field at the same time, that’s why the Colts released Manning. And given that the two players have completely opposite styles any mentoring would be haphazard at best, pure pocket passer just don’t see or interact with the game the way scramblers do, might as well have the defensive line mentor him.
Ditto.
But they’re already in a situation where they probably need to find a new QB in a couple of years. Unless Tebow finds a way to truly grow past his late season performance he wasn’t going to be their QB of the future. So really they’re picking the path of be good now while hoping for a solid QB to show up in the 2014 draft, vs not be good now while hoping for a solid QB to show up in the 2013 or 2014 draft. Might as well be good.
Tim Tebow is a class act and I’m sure he’s got a good perspective through all this - I like Tim because he has stood up for his faith and I even cheered for the Broncos over my Raiders. Now, I can go back to cheering for Tim without having to cheer for the Broncos. And I will predict that Peyton won’t see the success he’s had in the past because no matter how great he was, having had that kind of injury will change his future play...Look at all the other guys who were traded late in their careers - none of them got a superbowl ring AFTER their trades!
I think it’s all been overhyped.
And I sure wish The AZ Cardinals would opt Tim in and let him vie for the starting spot alongside Colb and Skelton!
Except Tebow doesn’t have a very promising future. He needs to take his game up 3 or 4 steps to have a promising future, and even during the win streak when he was improving he wasn’t improving that much. He still generally stank for the first 3 quarters of every game, 4th quarter comebacks are nice, but like Madden always said the key to a 4th quarter comeback is losing after 3, and you’d rather be winning after 3.
Then there was the Kansas City game, last game of the regular season, Broncos are win and you’re in, they’re going up against a terrible team that fired their coach a few weeks ago. This is the time when a QB with a promising future shine, this is the time to lay a beat down against a clearly inferior opponent. Tim completes 6 passes for a total of 60 yards. That’s not a QB with a very promising future. That’s a Rex Grossman who happens to be a nice enough guy to be popular with the fans in spite of his performance.
Lets get some perspective folks. Broncs were 8-8. In other words, absolutely mind-numbingly mediocre. If they were in any other division (besides AFCW or NFCW) nobody would be having this conversation because at best they would be second and most likely third.
If he had taken a team such as the Browns to the playoffs in one season, there would be something substantial to talk about. As it stands, even 3/4 through the season most sports prognosticators were ho-hum on his talent. After mostly one season he is 19-9 TD/INT ratio with a completion % of about 47. Jay Cutler for comparison is 115-85 TD/INT and a completion % of about 61. Kyle Orton is 80-57 and a 58%. Manning is 399-198 and 65%. Manning is money right now.
He’s not being traded to remove his outspoken faith from Denver - he’s just not that good yet and Denver wants a shot at a SB right now. Probably a few season’s worth of maturation may prove his talent but right now he’s too raw. I hope his faith can last through that process.
Like I said, it all comes down to personal opinion.
I wonder how many will do the same for Manning?”
Our society seems to have disintegrated to the point that I would suspect there are already some bets being made about how many games he will play before he is permanently disabled. Those sickos will be sure to watch to see if they won.
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