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Eye Witness:Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman
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Posted on 03/25/2012 9:01:30 AM PDT by Maelstorm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilrviX8LIZs&feature=youtu.be

Eye Witness:Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman - YouTube



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To: Maelstorm

Question...where was this in relation to Zimmerman’s car...because two story’s..Zimmerman follow Martin= away from car...Zimmerman started to follow then stop and was returning to car when Martin jump him=near or next to car....either way i find it hard to believe what seem to be an in shape Martin could not just run away from and what seem to be a rather pudgy Zimmerman ...at best both party chose a confrontation that Zimmerman started ...at worst Zimmerman started but then broke off a confrontation....and then Martin chose to start one


51 posted on 03/25/2012 10:15:57 AM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: patriot08

“What about Hispanic forums? Anything?”

Wrong surname to get all worked up over.


52 posted on 03/25/2012 10:16:00 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: DukeBillie

He had $22 cash on his person. Maybe the MSM will gin up a story that Zimmerman was trying to rob Martin at gunpoint. As long as they’re lying, might as well go “all in.”


54 posted on 03/25/2012 10:21:27 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

You are correct about the hoodies-even whern I was a teen, descriptions of robbers on the 10 o’clock news often included hooded sweatshirts/jackets, sometimes in combination with a ski mask. Those are two articles of clothing that aren’t usually worn in warm weather or indoors by those with innocent intentions...


55 posted on 03/25/2012 10:22:27 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Peter Libra

“Let the police handle it.”

Your neighborhood has obviously not been victimized by a spate of robberies. Ours was several years ago and the neighbors got together. Nary a stranger walks by now without one of the neighbors engaging in a friendly get to know you chat and the tags of strange vehicles are always jotted down. Funny thing—no burglaries for the last three years. Oh, and did I mention that the average response time by police has been somewhere between 40 min. and an hour? “Aint nobody watchin’ out for us but us.


56 posted on 03/25/2012 10:23:11 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Gumdrop
There is not, to my understanding, any witness that says he or she saw Martin attack Zimmerman. In fact, Zimmerman himself told the 911 dispatch that he was following Martin.

We have a fellow who saw them fighting on the ground. He then locked his door and called 911. By that time Zimmerman had shot Martin, so that witness, otherwise known as "the secret witness" (who's been known about since February 27, the day after the shooting) didn't even see the shooting ~ just the aftermath!

57 posted on 03/25/2012 10:24:20 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Maelstorm
-- If there is evidence that Zimmerman initiated the attack there may be negligence on his part but he doesn't deserve to go to prison because he was defending himself from an attack. --

If Zimmerman initiated a physical altercation, he loses the self-defense argument. A person who starts a fight can't escalate force and claim self defense as a justification.

58 posted on 03/25/2012 10:24:27 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: freeangel
Your point well taken here.

I concede that the time differential is extreme in your case. I know when I was security at a large mall, the police took always at least 20 minutes. I learned later through the grapevine, the local gendarmes would deliberately wait,cos the matter had then died down nine times out of ten. (I can still laugh).

59 posted on 03/25/2012 10:31:53 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Maelstorm
That is a speculative headline. Sure, Mr. Martin could have attacked Mr. Zimmerman, and the witness could have told the cops that he saw Mr. Martin attack and instigate the altercation.

But the video news report you posted proves none of that.

It merely points out during the course of the fight, Mr. Martin was on top of Mr. Zimmerman from the witness. That's it, it does not prove that Mr. Martin 'attacked' Mr. Zimmerman.

Overall, Mr. Zimmerman will be proven innocent unless he changes his testimony or forensics prove otherwise. As of now, everything is speculative.

60 posted on 03/25/2012 10:33:55 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: mardi59
Zimmerman is "White" because he was the shooter.

If he had been shot, he would be "Hispanic" or "Jewish."

61 posted on 03/25/2012 10:37:22 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: gaijin

62 posted on 03/25/2012 10:39:13 AM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: lonestar

>>If he had been shot, he would be “Hispanic” or “Jewish.”

Probably not. Judaism passes down through the mother


63 posted on 03/25/2012 10:41:45 AM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: muawiyah; Theoria

This is becoming a terrible situation, with hate groups like the black panthers using it as an excuse to cause violence. They need to go away and take that camera-loving Al Sharpton with them.

But whomever started what, when the truth comes out, it may be that two men did the wrong thing at the wrong time, and ended up in an altercation that had tragic consequences. No racism, no hate crime-just a dreadful lack of judgement on the part of both of them.


64 posted on 03/25/2012 10:48:48 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5
'No racism, no hate crime-just a dreadful lack of judgement on the part of both of them.'

Of course. And from each point of view, that's exactly what happened.

65 posted on 03/25/2012 10:53:28 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Cboldt

Thanks Cboldt. I hadn’t seen that.


66 posted on 03/25/2012 10:59:19 AM PDT by DukeBillie
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To: Maelstorm

The race-haters and the Institutional Left apparently don’t care about evil BLACK-ON-WHITE crimes like this one:

http://www.wichita-massacre.com/

Yo’ man... This is 10x worse than George Zimmerman’s crime. Not a peep outta Jesse Jerkson or Al Sharptongue. I wonder why.

Pass that link around, folks!!


67 posted on 03/25/2012 11:00:27 AM PDT by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: pabianice
Probably not. Judaism passes down through the mother

Do you really think facts matter? Since when?

68 posted on 03/25/2012 11:01:51 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Maelstorm
This is a complex case - as you've pointed out. My fear is the press and democrats are ginning this up to get the black vote angry up. Normally that's a classic technique of theirs - and harmless - but with a mob like the one that's forming it could get out of control. If panthers find Zimmerman, they'll kill him. What's that going to do to race relations?

I live in Florida - went out for a while yesterday - and noticed very large numbers of Hispanics shopping... talking to each other - and occasionally to me. A bunker mentality was being formed. I've never experienced that before. Just market place chat - but different. We'll have to wait and see what comes of this...

69 posted on 03/25/2012 11:05:15 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Because the picture of Zimmerman is a “guilty” shot when he was booked. Curiously, he’s a “White” Hispanic now, yet the picture they choose to show is similar to that of an MS-13 gang member.

Secondly, because the “Trayvon All Grown Up” picture shows us EXACTLY what he was. Now, the media couldn’t backup Obama’s squeaky non-threatening black image and he-coulda-been-my-son if they showed what kind of a thug Trayvon really was.

Let the blacks riot, they’ll only push the rest of us to the limit one day. As it is now, all their bleating falls on my deaf ears, anyway.


70 posted on 03/25/2012 11:06:59 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: patriot08

Because they are content in him being described as a “White” hispanic, that’s why.


71 posted on 03/25/2012 11:08:24 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: sodpoodle
The first reports had me persuaded that Martin was a victim of an over-zealous cop wannabe

We know two facts; martin is dead and you made up your mini-mind that Zimmerman was guilty and now are as squiggly as any liberal squish.

Jumped to conclusions with so many other "conservative FReepers" and now are looking for cover, ummm, ahhh, let's wait for the facts.

You can put down your shovel, but it would be better to stand up and say, I screwed up and convicted a guy without knowing shit about the case.

You wannabe conservatives are worse than the dummies at least they don't pretend to be conservative.

72 posted on 03/25/2012 11:08:34 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: Theoria

Just so. And instead of all this hysteria, people should be able to grasp the fact that s*** does happen, no matter how advanced we humans are-we still screw up. But no-now everything has to have a sinister cause and effect-and a civil lawsuit or three before all is said and done. If I were God, I’d be having some serious second thoughts about humans...


73 posted on 03/25/2012 11:13:30 AM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: freeangel

When Seconds Count, the police are only Minutes Away. Most of the time they are there to bag’n’tag the body and to write up a crime scene report, about which nothing usually is successfully concluded - unless, of course, it is a poweratti-connected victim.


74 posted on 03/25/2012 11:13:33 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: GOPJ

Let’s cover the things the media leaves out. When police arrived on the scene, they encountered Zimmerman, who admitted to being armed and turned over his weapon. It is stated in the police report that Zimmerman’s back was wet and that it had grass stains, consistent with his statements and that of a witness identified as “John”, that he was on the bottom as he scuffled with Martin. Zimmerman was treated by the Sanford EMS for injurires to the nose and the back of his head. He was taken to the police station and by all accounts, was not given Miranda warnings, which means his presence there was not “custodial” in nature. He gave the statement that he was screaming for help. This is corroborated by the 911 call which the media had portrayed as Martin screaming for help. Zimmerman’s clothes were removed and vouchered as evidence and he was released. All of this goes to explain why he wasn’t arrested. The evidence did NOT establish probable cause. In fact, it goes a long way to establishing reasonable doubt.


75 posted on 03/25/2012 11:18:00 AM PDT by cumbo78
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To: mardi59

Meanwhile, a white computer shop owner was murdered on Friday in Lancaster, CA by a young black male wearing a hoody, I don’t see anyone in the media asking for this guy’s head on a silver platter or any of these black groups putting a bounty on his head.


76 posted on 03/25/2012 11:18:55 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: broken_arrow1

Facts in the case are optional.....it has been too long since it was Big Screen TV open season. They just need the ever so slightest excuse to start hunting and looting for that 1080p and a PS3. It sure looks like we are on the brink of it.


77 posted on 03/25/2012 11:20:06 AM PDT by ScottinSacto
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To: GOPJ

Let’s cover the things the media leaves out. When police arrived on the scene, they encountered Zimmerman, who admitted to being armed and turned over his weapon. It is stated in the police report that Zimmerman’s back was wet and that it had grass stains, consistent with his statements and that of a witness identified as “John”, that he was on the bottom as he scuffled with Martin. Zimmerman was treated by the Sanford EMS for injurires to the nose and the back of his head. He was taken to the police station and by all accounts, was not given Miranda warnings, which means his presence there was not “custodial” in nature. He gave the statement that he was screaming for help. This is corroborated by the 911 call which the media had portrayed as Martin screaming for help. Zimmerman’s clothes were removed and vouchered as evidence and he was released. All of this goes to explain why he wasn’t arrested. The evidence did NOT establish probable cause. In fact, it goes a long way to establishing reasonable doubt.


78 posted on 03/25/2012 11:20:34 AM PDT by cumbo78
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Nothing will be said about a white mans murder because white people have to be pc and fear upsetting the black community.

I wish liberals would be honest and admit the only reason they are pc in public is because they fear black retribution which in fact is racist.


79 posted on 03/25/2012 11:38:53 AM PDT by mardi59 ( Go Newt!!)
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To: USS Alaska

I really wish you angry people would stop with the name-calling and accusations. These thread are one sided because most people are tired of being bashed just for pointing out that the facts don’t always match the hype. Your reactions are just as bad as the race-baiters.


80 posted on 03/25/2012 11:44:47 AM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: mardi59

Actually the only reason why liberals are so PC in public about blacks is the same reason they want amnesty for illegals, its all about VOTES..they lose the black vote, they lose the white house, same goes for hispanics, the more votes they get the better. Liberals could care less about either group, they just use them for votes


81 posted on 03/25/2012 11:44:53 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I’m sure both reasons apply down the line.

I have heard known liberals make very racist remarks to eachother and they laugh about it, but let a black person walk up to them and immediately they are all smiles and hellos. It’s enough to make you sick.


82 posted on 03/25/2012 11:58:07 AM PDT by mardi59 ( Go Newt!!)
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To: mardi59

You should see the racist language that come out of the left on twitter. It would make Hitler blush. The left pretends to be the party of unity and compassion for others, but when you actually read the stuff they spew they are really just laughing behind everyone’s back. They know they have the minority vote in their back pocket they can say whatever they want and get away with it. They have the media in their pocket so whatever they say the media can spin it to their advantage


83 posted on 03/25/2012 12:03:00 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sacajaweau

What does that question mean? We all have to behave, or blacks will be walking down our streets? So what?


84 posted on 03/25/2012 12:09:16 PM PDT by abclily
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Libs are disgusting liars.

I am just sorry the black people don’t see the hypocrisy. Liberals will ie, cheat and steal or kill to keep the black peoples vote. Not one black stands up and asks why they still live in poverty after years of voting democrat.

Their blindness to the facts will keep them on the dem plantation until they stand-up and say enough is enough. I won’t hold my breath.


85 posted on 03/25/2012 12:22:21 PM PDT by mardi59 ( Go Newt!!)
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To: Maelstorm

Oh how cute, they’re using a photo of Trayvon from his middle school years.

Here’s an example of MSM photoshopping Trayvon to make him look less menacing:

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2012/03/why-was-trayvon-martin-photo-altered.html

There are some more recent photos that are quite interesting.


86 posted on 03/25/2012 12:47:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: patriot08

We went through riots here years ago. People died. There was no excuse for the riots here.


87 posted on 03/25/2012 12:56:17 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Cboldt

“As long as they’re lying, might as well go “all in.”

YOU Cboldt will enjoy this - it’s a tape of two elite journalists talking when they don’t know a conservative is in the room - taping them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080


88 posted on 03/25/2012 1:11:55 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Texan5
You are correct about the hoodies-even whern I was a teen, descriptions of robbers on the 10 o’clock news often included hooded sweatshirts/jackets, sometimes in combination with a ski mask. Those are two articles of clothing that aren’t usually worn in warm weather ...

I was in Orlando last Monday - it was warm. No one was wearing a jacket of any kind. The advantage of a 'hoodie' is when stealing from places like 7/11 etc. the cameras don't get a good picture of the perp's face... not saying that's why black youths wear hoodies when it's 80 degrees outside...

89 posted on 03/25/2012 1:16:16 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: AlanGreenSpam

If you ‘listen in’ on these two elite journalists talking you’ll understand why they never seem to be fair to us. Please take the time - it’s an eye-opener.

It’s why Sharpton and Jackson get all the good press - and why there’s no horror done to conservative citizens that warrants news coverage. They hate us. They really do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080


90 posted on 03/25/2012 1:44:17 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Texan5

Yes I realize that but the left doesn’t understand that and is why I was pointing out he is hispanic.In their mind hispanic just like many other ethnic groups are races to them even though there really are only 3 as you pointed out. :)


91 posted on 03/25/2012 3:19:22 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Cboldt

I agree.


92 posted on 03/25/2012 4:41:55 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: tophat9000

That is a question I had. A few things makes me find Zimmerman’s story more plausible. You point out one of the reasons but I’ll add a few more.

1. This was not Zimmerman’s first call. He wasn’t new at this. There was no record of him trying to detain individuals he believed were suspicious prior so I find it unlikely he would change his behavior in this case especially given as you pointed out he was not in great shape and 6’ 2” Tayvon could’ve easily out ran him and gotten away.

2. Zimmerman has never been observed brandishing his weapon in a threatening way or even showing it off. There is no evidence I’ve seen that he did not take his job and his responsibility very seriously. Again there is no history of altercations and his made very many calls without incident.

3. The back of his head was bloody and his nose was broke and at least one eye witness said they observed Trayvon attacking Zimmerman and others said they heard someone screaming which we now find out was Zimmerman not Trayvon.

4.The police did handcuff and take Zimmerman in and interview him and took statements from several witnesses and found no reason to charge him. I don’t see any police dept turning a murderer they caught red handed lose if they believed he just killed a young man any young man so this suggests that they had good reason to accept Zimmerman’s account of events.

There is just no reason to doubt Zimmerman’s account and the more we find out the more his version of events is supported. The irony is those who are most ready to lynch Zimmerman seem driven by some kind of weird race justice.
I hate that Trayvon got shot but if he jumped Zimmerman as Zimmerman was headed towards his SUV to leave and proceeded to beat the crap out of him and then when he noticed Zimmerman’s gun in the waste band tried to grab it then George Zimmerman was entirely justified in defending himself.

Zimmerman if he did try to forcibly detain Tayvon and that can be shown then he should be charged but I will be surprised if that is found to be the case. Zimmerman has no record of trying to be a badass. People like that do not behave as Zimmerman has. He is behaving like a man that got caught up in a series of events that he regrets ever being a part of and if that is true and all the George Zimmerman did was try to be a good neighbor and then had to defend himself from a misguided Teen who decided to attack him and tried to grab his gun then the media owes him an apology.


93 posted on 03/25/2012 5:04:41 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: Maelstorm
So again one question for the police......how close was this to Zimmerman car?...because the closer it was to his car the the more it backs up Zimmerman was head back to his car not following Martin when the altercation happen

They need to get stuff out and head this off because there whipping a lynch mob now...

And at some point ...IF.. and I say if...the real facts turn out Zimmerman has done nothing wrong that he did just defend himself after getting jumped and beaten...it will not matter to the mob they will not listen

94 posted on 03/25/2012 5:57:35 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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