Skip to comments.Itís Not Over: Government Plans for the Worst: Forced Evacuation of Tokyo
Posted on 04/03/2012 1:17:11 PM PDT by SatinDoll
While it has for the most part disappeared from mainstream view, the Fukushima nuclear disaster is anything but over. In fact, the situation in Japan has gone from bad to worse.
Bottom line: There is no way to contain the radiation.
Even more alarming is that the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) and other agencies have warned that the nuclear storage pools (the containment units that are being used to cool the nuclear fuel) have been damaged and may collapse under their own weight.
Such an event would cause widespread nuclear fallout throughout the region and force the government to evacuate the nearly 10 million residents of Tokyo and surrounding areas, a scenario which government emergency planners are now taking into serious consideration.
(Excerpt) Read more at shtfplan.com ...
Is the west coast of the U.S.A. going to be evacuated due to panic over "radiation"?
For those not in the know: spent nuclear fuel is kept in water-filled pools to cool the fuel rods. Once cooled sufficiently, the fuel rods are removed from the pool and STORED OUT IN THE OPEN AIR!!
This whole article stinks of sensationalism.
This is just a cover story. The real truth is Gojira was seen leaving Monster Island and he had this “this time it is for keeps!” look.
Beat me to it, darn you!
Bah, no need to worry! People eat more radiation in a banana!/s
Sick of the Freepers in total denial (yes, even you SatinDoll). I am sorry, but it’s one thing to over sensationalize the dangers, and yet another to be in total and complete denial.
Man, Godzilla needs to lay off the deserts for awhile.
>>Man, Godzilla needs to lay off the deserts for awhile.<<
Add a boob belt and you have moochele hitting the Golden Corral buffet.
Spent fuel rods are stored underwater for 10 to 20 years before being sent for reprocessing or dry cask storage. Spent fuel rods generate intense heat and dangerous radiation that must be contained. The maximum temperature of the spent fuel bundles decreases significantly between 2 and 4 years, and less from 4 to 6 years. The fuel pool water is continuously cooled (pumps) to remove the heat produced by the spent fuel assemblies.
Spent fuel pools at Fukushima are not equipped with backup water-circulation systems or backup generators for the water-circulation system. Spent fuel pools lack the concrete cocoons of operating reactors but are housed in more conventional buildings that are conceivably more susceptible to damage.
I find it hard to understand that the radiation output and contamination from this is as great much less greater than from a pair of atomic bomb blasts, one Uranium and the other Plutonium based, upwind from Tokyo in August of 1945. Or from the multiple atmospheric tests conducted in the American southwest deserts within a couple hundred miles of Santa Fe and Las Vegas. Japan and the States of Nevada and New Mexico seem to have survived those just fine.
Abandon all hope, Tokyo.
That is actually embarrassing.
Our First lady? God.
This Communist Witch really has no clue. Unfortunately for us, she is a very slow learner.
She looks like one of the Cathouse Girls waiting in the parlor at the Bunny Ranch in Nevada.
Can you imagine ANY other First Lady dressing like that?
You know....maybe it’s time that we put the card on the table and just offer a free-entry card (green card) to any Japanese citizen who wants one. I wouldn’t have a single problem with two million Japanese folks moving into the US, and I suspect most Americans would readily agree that it’d be the right thing and neighborly thing to do.
>>I wouldnt have a single problem with two million Japanese folks moving into the US, and I suspect most Americans would readily agree that itd be the right thing and neighborly thing to do.<<
That would be a lot of neighborhoods upgraded and the biggest problem would be grade inflation at the schools.
No kidding on this — my suburban childhood neighborhood became a gang-terrorized barrio when I moved out in the late 70s to go to college.
Funny, I just read another article here that said the fish from Fukushima are safe to eat, but somehow they’re worried about evacuating Tokyo... I don’t think so.
One of the bombs dropped on Japan was a plutonium bomb. By design it was intended to convert a maximum amount of the plutonium into destructive energy. Any plutonium remaining after the blast would be wasteful.
From years back I recall reading that the U.S. only had a 30 year supply of uranium for powering reactors. The solution to that problem was to build "breeder" reactors which would not only supply energy but would convert some of the uranium into plutonium which could then be separated out and used to power plutonium reactors. Such a process would then give us a 300 year supply of nuclear energy.
So, we are comparing a nuclear weapon explosion where it was intended to destroy all of the plutonium with spent reactor fuel which may have been intended to create plutonium.
I don't know the extent to which my explanation would apply specifically to Fukishima. I think I read that at least one of the reactors was powered by plutonium. At some point the fuel would be "spent" to the point that the reactor would not be efficient, but that might still leave half or more of the original plutonium in the spent rods.
OOps — didn’t finish the story.
After about 10 years, Asians started to settle in. Slowly, they took it over. Net result, beautifully manicured laws, houses painted and nice, graffiti gone, people walking in the street at night (I go back to visit from time to time as a sort of “time capsule” status thing).
Not all Asian neighborhoods are lovely, but many are. And you can compare them to places with a major street named “MLK” any day.
That is a sound explanation. Thanks.
I'm quite prepared to take on some Japanese citizens with green cards. Especially those with good manufacturing skills. Perhaps some of the manufacturing sites can be migrated to U.S. soil. Keep the manufacturing going at a lower transportation cost. It makes too much sense to consider.
I frankly think the mess with the reactors is much worse than the Japanese government is willing to admit in public. That crap is going to be damaging the U.S. west coast very soon. The volume of nuclear material used to generate electrical power is much more than what was used in the two bombs. The material is leaking into the ocean and burrowing into the earth below the reactor sites. It's a major league screwup.
“Radiation inside the reactor 2 containment vessel at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant has reached a lethal 73 sieverts per hour and any attempt to send robots in to accurately gauge the situation will require them to have greater resistance than currently available, experts said Wednesday.
Exposure to 73 sieverts for a minute would cause nausea and seven minutes would cause death within a month, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said.
The experts said the high radiation level is due to the shallow level of coolant water 60 cm in the containment vessel, which Tepco said in January was believed to be 4 meters deep. Tepco has only peeked inside the reactor 2 containment vessel. It has few clues as to the status of reactors 1 and 3, which also suffered meltdowns, because there is no access to their insides.
The utility said the radiation level in the reactor 2 containment vessel is too high for robots, endoscopes and other devices to function properly.”
Our commie whorebag of a “first lady”.
I am not questioning the severity of the damaged Fukushima nuclear facility, just the sensationalism of folks here in the U.S.A. claiming radiation from that facility is killing Americans and poisoning food.
There is more than a whiff of anti-nuke hysteria at SHTF.com, and this particular article is no way near the worst. The following is from the posted article:
“When news of the disaster first emerged we warned, contrary to mainstream experts, that it could be much worse than the Chernobyl accident of the 1980s, that no containment would be possible for at least a few years, and radiation levels across North America would sky rocket. A year on, we are seeing adverse impacts on ocean water throughout the Pacific, and ground levels of radioactive contaminants are well beyond safety thresholds for potable water, food, and soil.”
The following is from another article at SHTF.com - http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/the-radiation-warnings-you-wont-get-from-the-mainstream-propaganda-machine_04022012
“Infant mortality rates across the United States have increased by more than 35% since the nuclear disaster, according to a court statement by Dr. with independent scientist Leuren Moret, MA, PhD. A study published in The International Journal of Medicine indicates that more than 20,000 deaths right here in North America can be directly attributed to the release of radioactive material from Fukushima.”
“20,ooo deaths right here in North America...” what unmitigated bee-ess!
Three Mile Island resulted in ZERO deaths. There were 57 deaths directly attributable to the incident at Chernobyl, with an estimated 4,000 deaths due to cancer in the future caused by radioactive fallout from Chernobyl. I haven’t noticed any increase in infant mortality rates in my community, and we’re in southwest Washington State just 50 miles from the Pacific Ocean.
No matter how bad the radiation leaks or fallout gets in Japan, it isn’t going to be a problem for any part of the US.
For crying out loud, we dropped NUCLEAR WEAPONS on Japan...TWICE and nobody here in the US was harmed by radioactive fallout or anything else related to it.
Jeez...people are so gullible.
That is the best description yet. “Whorebag” - quite poetic and concise use of language.
Is it just me or does everyone just feel the gloves need to come off? I’m just done trying to get along with people I believe are deliberately destroying the country.
The Empire Strikes Back ——> Luke Skywalker
The 0b0z0ids Strike Back -——> Wookie Streetwalker
I’ve asked that my post be pulled.
She’s an embarrassment. This is the way a whore dresses.
Thanks. Do you go to SHTF regularly? I do.
Their two articles were so full of misleading statements, I went ballistic. But there are situations out “there” that do need covering, like the one developing in Central America. People are experiencing organ failures and dying, and the cause is eluding detection.
Oddly enough, the type of organ failures is similiar to those caused by a certain toxin in pesticides, the same used to create GM corn that contains its own pesticide.
Folks in Central America eat a great deal of corn, or maize. I’m concerned that GM corn is the culprit and we are seeing its toxic results because corn is so important to the diet in nations south of our border though not so much here. In the U.S., we don’t eat corn as much and it isn’t as intergral to our diets as in other nations in the Western Hemisphere.
I’m now avoiding all products containing corn syrup - and there are a great many on the American market - so reading label contents is important. For example, we buy Hunts ketchup because it contains cane sugar syrup rather than corn syrup. If Jameson’s starts using corn syrup in their Irish whiskey, I’ dead!!
Michelle Obama is packaged to “sell”, and that “product” is anyone’s guess. I don’t want to think about it.
She will go down in history to the snickering of generations of Americans passing in front of her “costumes” in the “Hall of the First Ladies”.
I hope she’s alive to witness it.
Should the cooling pool fail, 460 tons of stuff falls to the ground and reacts with the ground. Very very bad.
Since the link to The Mainichi Daily News takes you to a non-existent page, there is no way to verify any of this.
I call BS on the whole thing. Tabloid sensationalism to get blog hits.
The explanation, I am sorry to say, is incorrect. Only a tiny fraction of the fissional material is “used up” (converted into energy) in an atomic bomb, over 99% survives intact.
Well the article certainly overstates the danger to the USA, however the danger to Tokyo and surrounding area is very real. Chernobyl released less then 200 tons of material we are looking at almost 500 tons here in a pool failure and more like over 1000 tons in a total uncontrolled meltdown/release of all 4 reactors.
From what I understand about 2% of the radioactive fallout from Japan has fallen on the Cascades.
Since I worked in the nuclear power industry, by no means am I underestimating the seriousness of developments at Fukushima. But radiation from Fukushima killing tens of thousands of Americans so far? No.
If the spent fuel rods are still in the spent fuel pool surrounded by water and the building’s walls, I cannot understand why the walls haven’t been sandbagged or in some other way provided with exterior support. The pool’s water and walls would provide shielding allowing outside work, unless there is so much radioactive material strewn about the site that this prevents work to shore up the pool’s walls - no one is willing to work a suicide mission. Still, robotic machines could shoreup the walls. It is worth a try rather than let the pool collapse.
Since I’m not there and don’t know the details this is only speculation on my part. Tiger likes Rooster might have more details.
Do you have a source?
Fallout seems questionable as this wasn’t an incident like as Chernobyl, which involved a fire burning the coolant and steam line ruptures. The facility was swept over by a tsunami, destroying the infrastructure. If anything, most of the radioactive material would be in the flood detritus.
Canada will sell you all the uranium you need for hundreds of years. If you want it.
It may be sensationalism but those of us FReepers who did initial FR-looksies into this last year came to appreciate that there are decades worth of spent rods stored onsite, in pools two stories above the damaged reactors. And if the rods in the pools are not continually covered in water they will burn and meltdown “OUT IN THE OPEN AIR”.
Btw, open air storage only works when rods are separated from each other. The problem with the pools is that the rods are bunched together and require a constant pool of water to keep from overheating, burning and releasing fine particulate radioactive smoke into the air. Like the smoke emitted by the burning reactors the first six months.
So yes, if a spent containment pool(s) is holed and not retaining water the rods will burn and the potential radiation release is many times what was released in the initial reactor meltdowns.
I worked at the Trojan Nuclear plant which was shutdown in March, 1993, and the reactor fuel rods transferred to the spent fuel pool.
Within a few years, I know it was before 2000, the fuel rods were moved to outside storage in free air.
I don’t know if they are still stored there, or not.
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