Skip to comments.Five Ways Conservatives Will Have to Sell Their Souls if Romney Wins
Posted on 04/03/2012 6:49:25 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
If you were trying to come up with the most atrocious candidate imaginable to go toe-to-toe with Barack Obama in 2012, you couldnt do much better than Mitt Romney. He was an unpopular moderate governor who lost 2 out of the 3 major elections hes run in and whose signature issue Romneycare is an enormous failure. Moreover, hes so uninspiring that he makes Bob Dole look like Ronald Reagan and thats before you consider his incessant flip-flopping that makes it impossible to really know where he stands on any issue.
Romneys candidacy also runs counter to almost every political trend in the book right now. Hes the antithesis of everything the Tea Party stands for a moderate establishment-endorsed, principle-free Rockefeller Republican. On the other hand, hes like a bad guy straight out of central casting for the Occupy Wall Street crowd, a conscience-free 1 percenter who makes $10,000 bets and lectures the public about how corporations are people while hordes of poor and middle class Americans that he fired trail in his wake telling tales of woe about how Romney made their lives into a living hell.
At one time, I thought both Gingrich and Perry were more electable than Romney. I have, however, reassessed and now believe Gingrich, Perry, Santorum, and even Huntsman, who just left the race, are ALL more electable than Mitt. Its also worth noting that all of those candidates, including Huntsman, are more conservative than Romney. Its mind-boggling to consider the fact that if Romney wins, the conservative base will have chosen the guy behind Romneycare over the man behind the Contract with America, Americas premier social conservative, and the best job-creating governor in America, all of whom would also be more electable.
Here we are in what may be, forgive me for the cliché, the most important election of our lifetimes and the GOP may end up choosing a candidate whos one part Charlie Crist and one part John Kerry as our nominee. If thats the case, conservatives should certainly vote for him over Obama. After all, Mitt Romney will undoubtedly often do the wrong thing if he becomes President, but Barack Obama will almost always fail the country. So Romney would definitely be the lesser of two evils.
Yet and still, conservatives will probably have to pay a big price if Romney becomes the nominee. Barring an unforeseen miracle, were not going to see someone who was a third rate, unpopular moderate governor become a great, popular, and conservative President. The idea that Republicans in Congress will keep Romney in line isnt borne out by anything that has happened in the last decade. During the Bush years, time and time again, conservatives in Congress abandoned their principles to follow Bushs lead. It has been much the same under Obama. Many Democrats were willing to take votes that ended their careers because they felt compelled to stick by Barack. Mitt would have little to fear from the Tea Party or the rest of the conservative base either. After all, his thinking will be, if grassroots conservatives still had any sway in the Republican Party, he wouldnt be the nominee. What are they going to do after he gets the nomination? Vote for Obama? Same goes if he gets elected. No matter how Nixonian Mitt turns out to be, conservatives will still view our own Massachusetts version of Arnold Schwarzenegger as preferable to whatever socialist the Democrats run against him in 2016.
However, we cannot forget that to the majority of the American people, a Republican president IS the conservative movement. His successes are its successes, his failures are its failures, and his policies are its policies. So, if the conservative movement pricks its collective finger and signs on with Mitt Romney, it should be aware of what its signing on for.
1) Mitt Romney is the bailout king of American politics: Just about the only thing that the Tea Partiers and Occupy Wall Street agree on is that they really hated the bailouts. Yet, Mitt Romney is the bailout king of American politics. You could fairly argue that he took a bailout when he was at Bain, he supported TARP, hes now comparing what he did at Bain to what Obama did at GM and Chrysler, and he has noted in a debate that hes open to future bailouts. This isnt even the compassionate conservatism that the base detested under Bush; its moderate corporatism. Is that what conservatives will have to defend if Mitt Romney is the nominee? Are we supposed to be rallying behind bailouts now?
2) Hes not a flip-flopper, we swear: John Kerrys campaign in 2004 was hurt badly by the charge that he was a flip-flopper. Mitt Romney is also a flip-flopper a far worse one than Kerry ever was. Even amongst conservatives, saying this about Romney is about as controversial as saying that the sun is hot, water is wet, or Barack Obama is a terrible President. Yet, Mitt Romneys line is that Ive been as consistent as human beings can be. Are conservatives going to have to argue that a guy whose positions are so liquid that you really dont know where he stands on anything is actually consistent? Its ludicrous, its patently untrue, and conservatives know it.
3) Smearing capitalism to help Mitt Romney: I support capitalism because I believe it creates more prosperity, for more people, than any other system mankind has ever come up with. That doesnt mean capitalism is flawless. After all, if capitalism had no flaws, socialism wouldnt exist. What socialists dont get is that capitalism, even with its flaws, is the best, most efficient, most effective way to help everyone including the poorest Americans.
On the other hand, what some conservatives seem to be starting to lose sight of in their efforts to defend Mitt Romney is that not everything that creates a profit is moral, good, admirable, or even politically palatable. Wed never run a candidate who got rich running a chain of strip clubs, closing all his factories and sending the jobs to China, or by being the worlds most effective spammer. We can all see the issues there.
Along similar lines, its not particularly admirable to buy a company, load it up with debt, run it into the ground, and walk away with an enormous profit while the business goes under and hundreds of poor and middle class Americans lose their jobs which is a very fair description of some of the deals Mitt made at the end of his tenure at Bain. Listening to conservatives talk about what a glorious thing it is when regular Americans get fired is more than a little bit disconcerting, particularly since when it was Bains turn to face that same kind of creative destruction, it had millions of dollars in debt forgiven by the FDIC in what could fairly be termed a bailout. The same goes for Bain making more than 15 million dollars on GS Technologies when a federal government insurance agency had to pony up $44 million to bail out the companys underfunded pension plan. Thats not a liberal argument, its a prime example of the sort of capitalism on the way up and socialism on the way down that most Americans, including Tea Partiers, hated about TARP. Now, were going to be asked to defend that as one of the wonders of the free enterprise system because Mitt Romney may be the nominee?
4) Read Mitts lips: He wants a VAT: Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney is open to the same sort of value added tax that has helped drive the tax rates of Western European nations into the stratosphere.
Since Mr. Romney mentioned a consumption tax, would he rule out a value-added tax?
He says he doesnt like the idea of layering a VAT onto the current income tax system. But he adds that, philosophically speaking, a VAT might work as a replacement for some part of the tax code, particularly at the corporate level, as Paul Ryan proposed several years ago. What he doesnt do is rule a VAT out.
Amid such generalities, its hard not to conclude that the candidate is trying to avoid offering any details that might become a political target. And he all but admits as much. I happen to also recognize, he says, that if you go out with a tax proposal which conforms to your philosophy but it hasnt been thoroughly analyzed, vetted, put through models and calculated in detail, that youre gonna get hit by the demagogues in the general election.
You could make a case for a VAT as a REPLACEMENT for the income tax, but as an ADDITION to the current tax code, it would be a disaster that would lead to ever-increasing tax rates. If theres one thing that the Republican Party has stood for over the last few years, it has been low taxes. So, what happens when Mitt Romney introduces a VAT tax, just like the one Barack Obama wants to implement? How did that work out for George H. W. Bush? How do you like the idea of seeing Republicans implement a tool that will allow the Left to simultaneously drive our taxes into the stratosphere and then turn around and blame businesses because the price of all their products are going up?
5) Why support Romneycare and oppose Obamacare? Obamacare is nothing but Romneycare on a larger scale. Even Mitts consultants on Romneycare, like Jonathan Gruber, have admitted that Obamacare is just Romneycare writ large,
The truth is that the Affordable Care Act is essentially based on what we accomplished in Massachusetts. Its the same basic structure applied nationally.
So, if Mitts the nominee, we go into the election with a nominee who fundamentally agrees with all the principles behind Obamacare and is opposing it (Ehr we hope) for the sake of politics. Are we going to have to pretend that Romneycare is a success or worse, that Mitt Romney really has some big ideological problem with a healthcare plan thats probably almost identical to what he would have come up with if hed been President?
This is not an academic discussion. Mitt Romney can still be stopped in South Carolina and (b)etween now and March 3rd, the last event before Super Tuesday, only 15.20% of all delegates to the Republican National Convention will be selected and the vast majority will be proportional. Mitt Romney is the least conservative candidate remaining in the field and isnt particularly electable either. If you dont want to spend the better part of the next year trying to drag this sad sack of Mitt across the finish line so he can disappoint us for the next four years, then stand up, speak out, and stop letting the mainstream media and a bunch of Beltway conservatives tell you that the race has to be over with just 1.8% of the delegates needed for a victory awarded. The Tea Party didnt rise up, fight Barack Obama, and help the GOP have its best year in half a century just to see the Republican Party ideologically slide all the way back to the pre-Reagan years as a reward. If the establishment manages to grease the wheels for Mitt to such a degree that it turns out hes unstoppable, then its still better to go down brawling instead of supporting a candidate you know is a mediocrity because you think hes probably going to win the nomination. Given the type of man he is, whether Mitt wins or loses, youre unlikely to look back at fighting like hell to get another nominee with anything other than pride.
I’ll stay home —simple.
I will never vote for Romney.
My son told me yesterday that this might be the first Presidential election where neither major candidate was a Christian.
Sad, isn’t it.
The only way to make the GOP Elite understand is to hurt them with our absence.
Don’t stay home; at least do your part to help flip the Senate.
Ain't voting for the man ... period. End of discussion.
I am tired of voting for rinoes because the rinoes think that they always have our conservative votes tied up. Screw them, they would rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven.
I don’t think its going to matter. Romney has already irritated the base so badly that a win is unlikely and he’s fixin to shift toward the “middle” and that should finish him off.
Personally, I’m seriously considering a run for township supervisor myself after my township supervisor declared that he’s not going to allow oil rigs on private property in “his township”. My platform will be simple, “Your property, your business”.
In any other. Time fine. but with Obama in the WH, staying home and giving this communist zealot a second term is TREASON!
Yep, that succinctly reflects my opinions on the matter.
We'll probably lose 10 Senate seats on this guy's coat-tails alone, plus numerous Representatives.
Thankgoodness we don't elect most legislatures and Governors in the same years.
Me neither. Sorry, i have principles. I could never vote for Romney.
Then go tell your boy to drop out now. There’s no reason at all a loser like Romney should just be given the nomination. He doesn’t have the base with him. He’s not even everybody’s second choice, and beyond that a fair number of his delegates to date were obtained through chicanery and subterfuge.
Go for it CC! We need more folks like you in office all across this country. Since you’re dealing with a small town, maybe it won’t be a serious headache.
Sorry, but I’m not voting for a corrupt, lying Mormon Socialist Gay Activist Baby Killer. Not in a million years.
If Romney wins, either we get together and come up with a write-in candidate that we can agree on, or I just write in someone’s name on my own. Probably Sarah Palin.
“Ill stay home simple.”
simple and honest...
vote for an R candidate and your wasting time and energy...even if an R won, the people would continue to slumber, those beginning to stir would go back to sleep, and the new potus would go back undercover like the previous lesser-of-evils.
imo, better off to vote for obama and some/how many? would at least know something of the trvth...
as for me...I’ll vote Dr Ron Paul, if that is available, otherwise I too will go the simple and honest route... and vote for obama...
otoh, like the lady said, if voting changed anything, they would have outlawed it long ago...
That sounds like a great platform.
If it looks like you will run for it, I hope you win and show him it isn’t his township and never was. I despise petty fiefdoms and small town dicators.
We don’t have an HOA or such in my area. I have very mixed feelings if one did come about. The local busybody liberal would no doubt find his way in charge somehow and there would be no end to his nutty ideas. All of which I would ignore gladly. I wouldn’t sign on to anything.
Besides we are looking at moving for several reasons. He is a big one. I won’t miss Karl Joseph Mao Fidel Marxstalintungcastro at all.
It doesn't look like the GOP primary voters want the most conservative candidate. Perhaps the GOP primary voters don't think a more conservative candidate can take moderate, much less liberal, votes away from Obama.
Right f’n on. If Mitt gets the nod, I’ll work like hell to help him get elected. So, apparently, will Sarah Palin.
Well, I certainly understand your position and sentiments but if Obama wins a second term, future elections will,for certain, mean nothing because this republic will be finished, FOREVER. So there will be no GOP to hurt and there will be full tyranny. The evilness of despotism wants you to not vote. Don’t try to kid yourself that we as a republic will be able to recover after a second Obama term but I’m pretty sure I’m wasting my energy trying to convince you of the error of not voting for Romney if he is the nominee and likely he will be. If the people who refused to vote for McCain had voted, we would not be having this issue now. I did not want McCain nor do I want Romney but when I voted for McCain I knew what we would get with Obama would be worse - much worse.
If those people are that worried about taking votes away from Obama, maybe they should do some soul searching and join the other team.
The GOP has been moderated into a coma, why not try moderating the party that actually needs it for once.
I’ll probably get out and vote for someone with an R to go to Congress- with redistricting I’d like to see what district I wound up int. As far as the Presidential race, well, nothing to choose unless the Libertarians or Constitution Party gets on the ballot somehow. But I’m not going to vote for a gun-grabbing liberal socialist, whether his name is Obama or Romney.
The cry babies and holier than thou types on this site are pieces of trash if they stay home and they give us Obama again.
If I get banned for that fine, but that is how I feel. these sp called adults act like toddlers and babies in TJE aisle of the supermarket melting down if their mother does not buy them a lollipop if their dream boat is not elected.
Am for Ron Paul in the NY Primary, but if it’s mittens or who ever, I will do almost anything to get the communist street marxist out of office.
Romney is "the wilderness"...
Let's say a 3rd-party candidate gets 13%...
>..Romney gets 32%...
...and Obama gets 46%...
...& minority-party candidates split the rest...
...then you 32-percenters have not only wasted your vote [voting for a guy who didn't have a chance to win -- getting less than 1/3rd of the country's vote]...
...but seared your conscience forever...
...you've permanently lost ANY ground upon which to criticize ANY big-government/socialized boondoggle...having supported a big-govt socialist boondoggle candidate yourself...
...and pro-lifers voting for Romney have permanently lost ANY ground to critique other pro-abortion candidates...
So you'd rather return a true Communist to the White House. Dear, that's not "principles", that's a tantrum.
PEOPLE YOU HAVE GOT TO BE F***ING CRAZY!
VOTE FOR ROMNEY IF HE IS THE CANDIDATE!
WHAT ARE YOU, F***ING NUTS?
He’ll be gone in 2016! If you allow Obama to win, WE’LL be gone in 2016.
I hate mittens and am a Ron Paul fan, but I am ABO even if Charles manson was on the ticket.
Remember that the next elected President will appoint 2-3 Judges on the Supreme Court.
I can't believe this guy (Romney) is even running! What's he doing it for? Just to keep a conservative from winning a major party nomination?
Bingo. The idea that it. Is ok to give this communist tyrant a second term out of petulance over not getting some mythical 10 10 candidate is madness!
we were able defeat bush on some things, and the same is possible w myth, who I hate!
however, a second term of Obama may possibly bring a civil war.
I guess we are now getting news from websites who preach to the choir. No help there.
Another Obama loving Freeper. rat...It's the new conservatism.
A party that nominates the likes of MYTH ROMNEY needs to be exterminated.
Let the communists own the collapse.
How many of these GOP primary voters were Democrats?
Is it too much to ask for some honesty and logic from commentators on our side of the ball? Romney is going to win the nomination. There are no if’s, and’s or but’s about it.
I’ll vote for Romney over Obama and I won’t tell one lie to do it. Romney is not my type of guy but he is orders of magnitude better than Obama.
Look at the damage LBJ did in one term. Look at the damage Obama has wrought in this term. Then imagine a second term with no re-election campaign to temper his marxist id.
Do what you must but do it with open eyes. My eyes tell me the Prince has to go.
Right now, the GoP has 29% of the pie of registered voters...
Once Romney loses, it won't surprise me...come 2013...for the GoP to have less than 20% of the pie of registered voters...
(Hey...why stay with a party to the left of 1960s democrats?...I'll walk...and I'll encourages millions of other Repubs to walk)
They'll be no GoP to hurt, either way...because the GoP establishment is bent upon provoking a further fracture -- and then it'll go the way of the Whigs. Extinct.
I'm not voting for a socialist (Mitt Romney)...
I'm not voting for a pro-abort (Mitt Romney)...
I'm not voting for somebody with a track record of electing liberal judges (Mitt Romney)...
I'm not voting for somebody reflexively racist for at least the first 13 years of his adult life...
...And you could give me the otherwise perfect candidate -- a "10" in every conservative category -- but if they think they are a "god in embryo" on their way to becoming a full-grown-up "god" bent upon theft of God's glory, His worship, and His prayers by setting up a rival "god-shop," count me out of sanctioning & endorsing outright idolatry.
I don't vote for "gods" -- no matter what uniform stripe they wear.
It could be the end of the Republican party as we know it.
I will not vote for Mitt Romney in the Republican primary, even if all other Republican candidates drop out. I’ll just cast a protest vote.
On your bike cultist, don't forget your tie and helmet.
There are a lot of important down-ballot races. You need to vote in those elections, even if you abstain at the top of the ticket.
That's what you got with Romney.
Best bet is to get this loser off the ticket.
SCP has indicated he (she) will continue to post Romney hit pieces no matter what until the election and then thereafter. He (she) gets his (her) jollies off that way, I reckon.
The time for foolish blustering is past. We have an election to win. There are hundreds of federal, state and local races at stake and wasting energy in this fashion is simply working for Obama and his federal and down ballot candidates.
Conservatives DON’T sell their souls.... I won’t be voting for the repub in this race, no matter who wins the nomination... That was decided from the get go - nothing to vote for.
ANYBODY, ANYBODY BUT THE KENYAN ALINSKY STUDENT OF MARXISM!
Well - you will get what you deserve if there are too many like you but you, in my book, are as sorry as Obama and his Marxist ideology. The founders of this country feared there would be people like you who don’t give a damn.
What? God is just going to be unprovoked when so-called "conservatives" -- so-called "God-fearing people" -- vote for somebody who thinks they can compete with Him for godhood?
I wonder how many so-called "God-fearing" conservatives will by Summer & Fall become "apologists" for Mormonism...apologists for Mormonism's racism...and apologists for Romney's "I'm a god-in-embryo, you're-a-god-in-embryo...wouldn't you like to be a god, too? Drink the Koolaid..."
For those who haven't had a Mormon "god-in-embryo" primer...here's what the Dems will be launching forth this Summer & Fall:
Many people know of Spencer W. Kimball, the 12th "prophet" of the Lds church (1973-1985), as the man who allowed blacks to become Mormon priests in 1978.
But did you know Mormonism teaches you are all "gods in embryo"??? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)
Did you know that Mormonism teaches the false "gospel" of self-transformation -- of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps to become a god? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)
Spencer W. Kimball on these very topics:
1969 "Being a god in embryo with the seeds of godhood neatly tucked away in him, and with the power to become a god eventually, man need not despair...he must...transform himself..." (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 173-174)
A couple he was advising in Kimball's office "did not understand that forgiveness is not a thing of days or months or even years but is a matter of intensity of feeling and transformation of self...This couple seemed to have no conception of satisfying the Lord, of paying the total penalties and obtaining a release..." (Ibid, p. 156)
To Kimball, you had to "pay the total penalties" for your sin -- vs. that being a role occupied by the true Jesus Christ.
September, 1974: Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. Source: http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6057 (Spencer W. Kimball speech entitled Be Ye Therefore Perfect 9/17/74 devotional address @ BYU)
1975: Man is created in the image of God. He is a god in embryo. He has the seeds of godhood within him, and he can, if he is normal, pick himself up by his bootstraps and literally move himself from where he is to where he shows he should be." Source: http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/LovevsLust.pdf, "Love vs. Lust," Spencer W. Kimball, Provo: BYU Publications, 1975
November 1977: Self-mastery, then, is the key, and every person should study his own life, his own desires and wants and cravings, and bring them under control. Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. To be perfect, one can turn to many areas as a starting place....As we have stated before, the way to perfection seems to be a changing of ones lifeto substitute the good for the evil in every case. Source: By President Spencer W. Kimball An address given to students of Weber State College, Ogden, Utah on 4 November 1977 http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=244ed0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
July, 1978 Ensign Magazine: Lds church officially endorses Kimball Weber State College comments by publishing them in their official magazine
This quote also becomes part of Chapter 19 of what Lds officially teach college students in their Institute curricula: See http://institute.lds.org/manuals/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/doc-gosp-11-20-19.asp
The sheer # of supposed "God-fearing" people sanctioning & endorsing idolatry in 2012 will be all the more reason to anticipate divine judgment in the USA...no matter who's elected...
[God expects the world to be the world...I think He expects true "God-fearers" to not be of that same cloth]
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