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Why Conservatives Should Continue to Oppose Romney after the Nomination (Please provide input)
Bloggers & Personal ^ | 10 Apr 12 | Xzins

Posted on 04/10/2012 9:55:58 AM PDT by xzins

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1 posted on 04/10/2012 9:56:10 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
I can hardly wait for Karl Rove's 1st Wednesday in March morning meeting when he tell us, "Get on board. Where are ya' gonna' go?"

FUBO, FUMR, FUKR, FURNC.

TS

2 posted on 04/10/2012 9:59:49 AM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: xzins

So, what’s the alternative? Obama? Don’t think so.


3 posted on 04/10/2012 9:59:58 AM PDT by cblue55 (Mr. Obama, was your mother punished with a baby?)
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To: xzins

WTF? I don’t like Romney at all, but there is no way in hell I oppose him if he becomes the nominee. That is suicide! We cannot survive 4 more years of Obama, but that is what what we will get if we keep pushing crap like this.
Obama must be defeated at all costs.


4 posted on 04/10/2012 10:00:15 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: All

The eventual GOP nominee will be running against a man who HATES white people, hates Christians, hates Jews, hates America and would love to destroy capitalism.
I will crawl to the voting booth to vote for whomever is running against Obama.


5 posted on 04/10/2012 10:00:41 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: xzins

If this Dumb A$$ party sends him to the General election, I WILL change to the Independent Party and waste my vote....hows that for being pissed off!!!


6 posted on 04/10/2012 10:01:36 AM PDT by MtnMan101 (THE PROBLEM WITH SOCIALISUM IS THAT YOU EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY)
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To: xzins

If this Dumb A$$ party sends him to the General election, I WILL change to the Independent Party and waste my vote....hows that for being pissed off!!!


7 posted on 04/10/2012 10:02:07 AM PDT by MtnMan101 (THE PROBLEM WITH SOCIALISUM IS THAT YOU EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY)
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To: xzins

Because they’d rather watch Obama destroy America and then sit around reminding us “I told you so”.....


8 posted on 04/10/2012 10:02:16 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: P-Marlowe; wmfights; Alamo-Girl; onyx; Cincinatus' Wife; darrellmaurina; Lancey Howard; ...

Ping for your input


9 posted on 04/10/2012 10:02:41 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

If Romney is the nominee, that will suck.

Because Romney sucks and Obama sucks.
I guess I’d have to either decide who sucks most...

OR.. if we’re being driven inevitably into a ditch, would it
perhaps be better to let the driver with the “D” after his
name be the one to do it? Or not?

Any way you look at it, opposition to WHOMEVER our nominee
is helps only Obama. There are no knights in shining armor
riding in to save the day at the last moment. You betcha.

Quite the conundrum.


10 posted on 04/10/2012 10:03:58 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: cblue55; sean327

see #4 above


11 posted on 04/10/2012 10:04:12 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins
If conservatives accede to Romney's nomination, then all we will do is send a message to the GOP-E that we're not really serious about conservative principles, and that should there ever be a conservative upstart candidate again, then we will go right along with the personal destruction of that candidate, and all of the underhanded skullduggery that goes with it, that we saw on display in this primary season.

Further, a Romney presidency may even be WORSE than a second Obama term. At least with Obama in office, the Republicans have grown a little bit of a spinelet and fought him on some things, and really have served to hinder a lot of what Obama *could* have done. With Romney in office, it'll be 2000-2006 all over again - they will go right along with everything Romney proposes (which won't differ in substance, if only somewhat in degree), since he's "our" President. We could actually end up even DEEPER in socialism, debt, and trouble by the end of it all than with Obama.

12 posted on 04/10/2012 10:04:12 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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To: xzins
With respect, I would almost be willing to vote for Charlie Sheen before I would weaken the GOP candidate or throw the vote to Obama.

It's not what we want; but at least Romney loves this country and, as they say, "has already forgotten" more about its history than Obama will ever know.

13 posted on 04/10/2012 10:06:24 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Maverick68
I will crawl to the voting booth to vote for whomever is running against Obama.

You know, if all of the so-called "conservatives" who have resigned themselves to simply rolling over and accepting Romney were to actually get together and all vote for a credible, broad-based conservative alternative, that alternative would probably have a very good chance of winning.

14 posted on 04/10/2012 10:06:24 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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To: xzins

The only thing worse than a Mitt Romney presidency is an Obama Presidency. I’m not a Romney fan, but I’m not ready to commit haraki and hand Obama another four years.


15 posted on 04/10/2012 10:06:41 AM PDT by erod (This Chicagoan will crawl over broken glass to vote the fake Chicagoan Obama out!)
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To: sean327
Since there is very little difference between Obama and Romney, you have to factor into the equation the fact that if Romney is elected, the RINO / dem lite positions that he will push will cause a lot of infighting with the GOP. Conservatives will not want to support dem lite positions but Romney will use the bully pulpit to push his agenda.

Better to have Obama that can be opposed in both the House and the Senate on principled issues than to have Romney who really can't be opposed because he will be the de facto party leader. Better the enemy without than the one within.

Also, for the long term GOP direction, the party bosses need to learn that they cant win elections with a RINO. You simply MUST have the support of your base to win elections.

16 posted on 04/10/2012 10:07:18 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: xzins
The reelection of Obama will demoralize the Right.
The media will pound Congress, State Reps and the Governors with the theme “Conservatism is dead, Socialism WON!”

Symbolism is everything.
Perception is everything.

If Romney wins it will not be a Conservative victory. I think most conservatives get that.

However?

If Obama wins IT WILL BE A LIBERAL VICTORY!

And, more to the point, Obama wants to completely destroy the profit motive, making it very hard for Conservatism to finance itself.

We can live to fight another day, with Romney as President.

Obama might not let us live.

Financially, or literally.

17 posted on 04/10/2012 10:08:00 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: xzins

I’ll spend my time opposing hussein instead. I hope that still makes me a conservative.


18 posted on 04/10/2012 10:08:58 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Excellent post, YC. Romney won’t win. However, if it were to happen, he’d be a liberal big spender, an appointer of liberal justices, and a political hack who would force the dead carcass of obamacare onto the nation.


19 posted on 04/10/2012 10:09:27 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: cblue55

The anyone exc Barry line presupposes ORomney is somehow different in a better way. He isn’t, he’s no different than Barry. Perhaps he’s not an overt hater of this country but a hater nonetheless. ORomney is for himself and a small cliche of elites who will continue robbing the American people. Its not a liberal-conservative Thing any longer. Its all about those who would be king vs free men. Voting for ORomney is no different than voting for Barry. The outcome will be identical. Unless the electorate begins to engaged their brain nothing will ever change.


20 posted on 04/10/2012 10:09:57 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: xzins

If Obama win, Dems win the Senate and like the House also!


21 posted on 04/10/2012 10:11:10 AM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: xzins

There has to be a strategy that says ‘Vote for Mitt cause of the Supreme Court, but otherwise we oppose him’. And maybe I have just hit on it. Make this about voting for a Constitutionalist Supreme Court.

The GOPe must be made to pay dearly. They need to die, die, die. A bunch of crony capitalists.


22 posted on 04/10/2012 10:11:28 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: Kansas58

How’s that different from 2008?

Perception is everything...but only for about a week.


23 posted on 04/10/2012 10:11:44 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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To: cblue55

Agree anybody but Obama.


24 posted on 04/10/2012 10:11:59 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: xzins

I accept that Romney has no real political ideology beyond pragmatism. He governed as a moderate/liberal in MA because that’s what he ran as, and what the electorate of MA wanted. I expect he will govern as a moderate/conservative if elected, because that’s what he’s running as, and what the national electorare wants. Not my ideal, but way better than BHO.


25 posted on 04/10/2012 10:12:37 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: sean327
"That is suicide!"

But of course! That has long been the plan of Kamikaze Conservatives on this forum. They are more interested in litmus tests and making statements, than winning elections. Somehow they've never learned that elections must be won before policy can be implemented or changed.

Barry Goldwater suffered the same consequences. He gave great speeches but never was able to implement policy.

Compare that with Ronald Reagan. Dutch knew which battles were winnable and engaged in the art of compromise to gain all that was gainable. He didn't waste time and political capital on the side shows.

26 posted on 04/10/2012 10:13:00 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: DaxtonBrown
Vote for Mitt cause of the Supreme Court, but otherwise we oppose him

Not sure how well that strategy would turn out for us. Have you seen Romney's picks for the MA courts?

27 posted on 04/10/2012 10:13:55 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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To: xzins

Either this is a sick joke or you are working with the Obama Campaign. So you are willing to watch the destruction of our country continue with The Zero.


28 posted on 04/10/2012 10:14:29 AM PDT by DeweyShootem
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To: MtnMan101
By “this Dumb A$$ party” do you mean a majority of Republican primary voters?

Sorry if your chosen candidate didn't run or didn't do well. Among those who did run - Romney got the most Republican primary voters to vote for him.

You can decry the Republican electorate if you must - but lets not blame anybody BUT them for the fact that Romney is almost certain to receive the GOP nomination.

It is better to be pissed off than to be pissed on.

29 posted on 04/10/2012 10:14:29 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: xzins

I will be voting for Willard as the proverbial lesser of 2 evils - just like I did for McCain last time around. I expect that to be the case in most elections anyway. 2 party systems with no opportunity for coalition government means rarely will we have a candidate to be truly excited about. It is what it is.


30 posted on 04/10/2012 10:14:54 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: DaxtonBrown

See #7 in the article. Romney appointed liberal justices.


31 posted on 04/10/2012 10:15:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

If Federal Court judges were elected to office and served for fixed terms, I’d agree. If congressional elections were held on a different day from presidential elections, thereby minimizing the down-ticket effects of a Democratic presidential victory, I’d agree. Since neither is the case, I think I’ll stick with whomever the GOP nominee is, even if it turns out to be Romney. He’s not ideal, but he’ll do. I don’t see how I can realistically expect perfection in a politician when 100m other people also have a say.


32 posted on 04/10/2012 10:15:05 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Kansas58

Romney is equivalent to being boiled slow.

Obama is a fast boil.

Either way, we are cooked. I had just as soon get to the breaking point and get it over with.

I will hold my nose and vote for a GOP liberal......ever.


33 posted on 04/10/2012 10:15:46 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Obama ran, the first time, as a “moderate”

Now that Obama has been exposed as a Socialist, it will kill the Conservative movement if Obama wins another term.

It might also kill our ability to ever recover, as Obama is ruthless and hates our country and hates Capitalism.

34 posted on 04/10/2012 10:16:26 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: xzins

One reason: SUPREME COURT JUSTICES

When Obama gets his next term and appoints maybe 3 radical leftist judges, thereby sealing the death of America, it will be in large part because of idiots who sat home (like they did with McCain), because they were “principled.”

You will have a lot of blood on your hands.


35 posted on 04/10/2012 10:16:38 AM PDT by DC Ripper
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To: Zhang Fei

1. Romney is not an “imperfect conservative.” He’s not a conservative at all and never has been.

2. Romney appointed the most activist kind of liberal justices. See #7 in the article.


36 posted on 04/10/2012 10:16:38 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Kansas58

Romney is the equivalent to being boiled slow.

Obama is a fast boil.

Either way, we are cooked.

I had just as soon get to the breaking point and get it over with.

I will NOT hold my nose and vote for a GOP liberal......ever.


37 posted on 04/10/2012 10:16:38 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
I admit that I thought it was not wise when people were speaking this way about a McCain nomination 4 years ago. But I am now of the same mind as Yashcheritsiy.

I oppose Romney now. I support Santorum. I plan to continue along this path. We do not currently have a nominee, so I do not need to formally re-evaluate my position at this time.

38 posted on 04/10/2012 10:16:48 AM PDT by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: Buffalo Head
Somehow they've never learned that elections must be won before policy can be implemented or changed.

Before this becomes relevant, you first have to win elections with somebody who has the right principles. Winning an election with a liberal simply means that you'll have a liberal Republican pushing liberal policies, which sort of makes the whole thing an exercise in futility.

The whole reason we can talk about "Reagan did this" and "Dutch did that" is because Reagan - the conservative - got elected.

Yes, you have to win elections before you get to make policy. But you have to win elections with the right people before you get to make the right policy. Unfortunately, with Romney, that's not going to happen.

39 posted on 04/10/2012 10:18:00 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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To: DC Ripper

See #7 in the above article. Romney appointed ONLY liberal judges.

I think I’ll add #9 — Romney is a liar.


40 posted on 04/10/2012 10:19:54 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: MtnMan101

That would be doing just what the left would want you to do! I will gladly vote for Romney against Obama. Romney was far from what I wanted but he will be the nominee and so be it. We have to deal with the cards we are dealt unless anyone has a better suggestion?


41 posted on 04/10/2012 10:21:13 AM PDT by jacksonstate
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To: xzins

I’m on your side.

I’ll oppose Romney all the way to the general election if he is the candidate.

I’m not voting for the Crypto-Communist, or his 2nd Cousin, the lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal Mitt Romney.


42 posted on 04/10/2012 10:21:17 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: xzins
conservatives should pull their heads out of their arses and smell the coffee....

Romney is it....hold your nose, close your eyes,hum to your self...but in the end WE NEED TO GET THE DICTATOR OUT OF OFFICE....

some of you pray for everything....why can't we just get rid of bamey and then pray for Romney?....

43 posted on 04/10/2012 10:22:25 AM PDT by cherry
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Oh, great. Then we can support Obama instead and get a 5th and 6th Communist appointed to the Supreme Court, at which point the entire Constitution is deader than a doornail, and all personal liberty is a thing of the past. Can anyone say National Progressive Fascism?


44 posted on 04/10/2012 10:22:46 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: sean327

Absolutely agree. Anyone, including Romney, is better than Obama!!!


45 posted on 04/10/2012 10:23:04 AM PDT by arjay (NOMOBAMA)
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To: xzins

He can be pressured to appoint conservative justices, at least there is that chance.

Obama will destroy this country. Period.

If you think we can survive four more years of Obama, you are truly an idiot.

And if you and people like you sit home, that is what will happen. And it will be on you. Personally, people like you make me sick.


46 posted on 04/10/2012 10:23:28 AM PDT by DC Ripper
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To: xzins

No. Get him elected, then oppose him. We’re clearly going to have to send some men to the house and senate that will lead from there. Mitt will do what he’s told, if we have the numbers. And after that, we will OWN the republican party.


47 posted on 04/10/2012 10:24:31 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: SoConPubbie

Amen, SoCon. I’m sick of the “hold-my-nose” vote. Never again.

Romney is not now and never has been a conservative.


48 posted on 04/10/2012 10:24:35 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

Why Conservatives Should Commit Suicide by I M. Adumbass

Foreword by I P. Freely.


49 posted on 04/10/2012 10:25:22 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: xzins
I live in the People's Republic of Maryland, which is dead certain to go to Obama. My vote is nugatory in any event. Therefore, there is no impediment to my casting my ballot for someone whose views are in synch with my own. I will not vote for Romney, but will instead cast my ballot for a conservative.



Nos genuflectitur ad non princeps sed Princeps Pacem!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

50 posted on 04/10/2012 10:25:23 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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