Conservatives are at it again: shooting our own. Posted on 04/12/2012 8:09:43 AM PDT by hocndoc
Conservatives are at it again: shooting our own.
When Conservatives decide not to vote for Republican candidates, Republicans lose. Conservatives lose. The Democrats, socialists, and atheists win. Obama wins.
Where Republicans voted in 2008, we won new offices. Where they voted in 2010, we won majorities. Conservatives made the difference in the winning races and in the lost races. Not only did we have fewer Republican victories in those races where Conservatives didn't vote, the races were decided by the least knowledgeable among us or by the Dems.
More than before, in conservative blogs and forums, I'm reading good men and women declare that they will never vote for Romney if he's nominated. They remind me that they were the ones who refused to vote for John McCain in 2008, or who (like me) voted for Sarah Palin and McCain just benefited as a side effect.
I certainly wish that Conservatives had found themselves working hard to force McCain to keep his promises for that last three years instead of watching Obama keep his.
And here come the third party rallies!
The problem is certainly the "GOP elite," and their support for Romney -- that's why Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry, and Rick Santorum couldn't get a foothold, right? And why Newt Gingrich is still so far behind?
How many votes do you suppose the "elite" have, anyway?
Talk about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, yesterday, Rush Limbaugh warned Conservatives what may happen if the Republican nominee doesn't win. Yes, he titled the post of the segment "A Warning to the Republican Establishment," ending with a prediction that the Republican Party might never recover if "they screw this up."
The warning to the rest of us is ignored:
If this doesn't pan out to big-time electoral victory the way the establishment has it figured, then what will their excuse be? And I think I know. I think that if this campaign goes on and if it results in Obama winning, I think what the establishment is going to do is blame us. They're gonna blame us conservatives for once again being too rigid and too demanding and too narrow and unrealistic and all this, and telling us that we're the reason that Obama won.
Why not? That's exactly what happened in '06 and '08. (And don't forget Rush's own Chaos.) The media and the Left ate it up! The lesson learned was that no one can count on Conservatives. That's why we repeatedly watch people who should be our champions "pander" (Rush's word) to the "middle," the "undecideds," the independents.
Why not learn instead from successes, like the 2000 election, a victory that the Dems never saw coming? A good friend recommended that I re-read David Horowitz' "How to Beat the Democrats." One of the lessons is,
Lesson 3: There Is No Natural Conservative Majority (But You Can Create One through Political Action). The critical role Republican unity played in the election leads to a third lesson: There is no “natural” conservative majority.
. . . Such facts are no cause for conservatives to despair. What they are is a reality-check. If the conservative mission is to restore basic American values, the way conservatives fight the political battle will determine its outcome. There may be no current conservative majority in America, but there is a potential majority, if Republicans have the will and intelligence to create one.
David Horowitz (2002-10-06). How to Beat the Democrats and Other Subversive Ideas (Kindle Locations 842-843, 861-863). Spence. Kindle Edition.
Do we have the will? The intelligence? Can we forget the animosity we have had for each other the last year? Are we willing to say, "Let him who never had a change of heart cast the first stone?"
An estimated 56% - give or take - of the Republican National delegates have been decided, but 44% have not. The numbers aren't set in stone, yet, depending on what happens to the delegates who went to candidates that dropped out or in States like Iowa, where the actual choice will be made at caucus in June. "It ain't over till it's over."
I'm sure that I won't see Conservative blogs pulling their anti-Romney posts, but I hope to see a few willing to be positive and work together to ensure Primary victories for the remaining Conservative in the Republican Primary, in order to deny Romney an easy nomination. Is their motto, "Anybody but Romney," or is it, "Anybody but Obama?"
The “estabs” each have one vote. Until now, we’ve been splitting our Conservative vote, and turning our energies against each other.
Half of the delegates are still undecided. All of the Conservative Senate and House Candidates need our support.
I’m calling for a Conservative coalition, from this point forward.
Do you have an opportunity to reform your State Republican Party? The problem in Virginia was the requirements for getting on the ballot, written or declared by the Party.
Two party system is done broke. They are so obviously working together...in cahoots...corrupted. Need to shake things up so if the Constitution Party or the Tea Party or whatever gets off the ground I think they will find a lot of support.
“Just a plea for unity”
Funny, I don`t remember that plea from the estabs when Romney was spreading his toxic waste lies all over the landscape vs. the conservative contenders.
You obviously have conservatives confused with Republicans. Lately that is not the same thing. To a Conservitive, voting for Romney is also a loss. In fact, it can and very liklely will be MORE of a loss than voting for Obama. At least with Obama, conservatives can oppose through the House and Senate. You can’t do that and it wont happen if the President is from your party.
Since there is little difference between Obama and Romney, I’d rather 4 years of Obama than 8 years of Romney.
“Excellent point and analysis!
I will also be considering that would I rather vote for someone
who can’t get re-elected and thus no longer cares what
the public opinion of him is or someone who is somewhat
guarded because they want a second four years. I think I
know which one is a somewhat safer choice.”
Another excellent point!
The problem with Romney’s slower rate than Obama is that if he gets elected, he will likely have 8 years to work on it. At least Obama can be held to 4 years.
Sorry, fork. I am not a moderator. And even if I was I would not zot the doc.
Not sure what fears you have that lead to you to that “knnepad” remark. But I guess you felt very threatened in some small minded way that I actually “agreed” with doc and her feelings that she was making her opus with her very unpopular ‘Repubs First’ ideas.
“And here come the third party rallies!”
Damn right!!! WTH did those complacent fools expect?
About as many delegates as it has Rinos.
Another from Mama: You can’t change what the other guy does, only what you do.
You can honestly say that with a straight face??? You would rather live under the current Marxist racist in chief along with his AG and other minions he has appointed? Sorry, I do not understand your rational.
The GOP gave a big FU to their base... Again. Time for them to go the way of the Dodo bird.
Time for the Tea Party to become the next Conservative Party.
Hi hocndoc,
Romney is not a conservative. Moreover, he has a radical pro-abortion record. I am a pro-life, religious conservative.
I hope you understand that I am not ABLE to support him. His record is so contrary to my beliefs, that it would require me to go reject my religion in order to support Romney.
Please remain open to campaigning for a 3rd party...a conservative candidate...so that we don’t give a greater foothold to the forces of darkness.
Thanks for listening.
Xzins
The choice is:
How much damage can Obama do in the remaining 4 years
vs
How much damage will Romney do in 8 years
When there is not much difference between the to, get Obama out after 4 is the better option.
with her very unpopular ‘Repubs First’ ideas.
Unpopular to who?? You or the owner of this site?
I’m voting for Gingrich, if he’s still on the ballot.
He’s definitely got problem or two, but I remember his work with the Tea Party in Texas in 2010, the “Contract from America.”
Half the delegates are still undecided.
That kind of logic, is precisely why we are where we are today.
And, your 50-50 odds are too generous by about 49%.
I appreciate the bumps, but wish we could spend our energies finding common ground.
My state has already voted.
Gingrich has a solid pro-life background and has been outspoken about his continued pro-life beliefs.
He is clearly ready to step into the presidency right now.
He has a proven record of governing as a conservative.
I can support him.
Both.
Look fork. I know you just showed up, and imediatly got your panties in a wad over some remark not directed to you, but please...
Inform yourself first before hitting send. It will make you look so much better intead of foolish.
Look at the replies for instance. Me and many others do not agree with voting for RINO’s simply because a RINO is better than Obama.
“Unpopular to who?? You or the owner of this site?”
I’ll spare you the embarrassment of pinging Jim to this reply. Ping him yourself if you want to. Ask him if he agrees with “very unpopular ‘Repubs First’ ideas.”
But I’m guessing you won’t do that. I’m guessing you already know what he thinks.
I agree. My husband and I have been going back and forth between Santorum and Gingrich. At least now we don’t have to choose (-— and I’ve finally quit wishing for Rick Perry to be on the ballot).
“...finding common ground.”???
Fiding common ground? On a contentious FR thread like this. I’d so much rather fight with eastforker.
Why mess with tradition.
(lololol)
Thanks for the ping. For the record, I have not said that Lightworker Hussein or Bishop Willard are demons, although I do think they are wholly owned subsidiaries. Chattel assets, essentially.
I think this analogy is what you are referring to:
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Conservative: “I can’t stand Baal. He is a demon, and I have higher standards than that. Further, it is my duty to resist hell itself, and to defeat it where I can. We all have that duty.”
Party Peon: “A vote against Baal is a vote for Abaddon!!!”
Stunned Conservative. “Uh . . . No. I do not vote for demons. I am not voting for either of them.”
Party Peon: “YES YOU ARE! A VOTE AGAINST BAAL IS A VOTE FOR ABADDON! VOTE FOR BAAL BECAUSE HE IS BETTER THAN ABADDON! IF YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR BAAL IT IS BECAUSE YOU SECRETLY WORSHIP ABADDON AND WANT TO SEE HIM IN CHARGE!”
Stunned Conservative: “Dude, they are BOTH DEMONS! Either of them will make this place hell on earth! I don’t want either one in charge. I -HATE- demons and will not choose either one!”
Party Peon: “YES YOU HAVE YOU TRAITOR! YOU’RE VOTING FOR ABADDON IF YOU WON’T VOTE FOR BAAL! I WOULD VOTE FOR LUCIFER HIMSELF TO DEFEAT ABADDON, AS NOTHING EVER EVER EVER EVER COULD POSSIBLY BE WORSE THAN ABADDON!”
Stunned Conservative: “Dolt. Abaddon, Baal and Lucifer are all on the same team. They are each diabolical and I will not aid, assist or support any of them. They are DEMONS.”
Party Peon: “You are a bigot.”
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This was an effort to communicate how repugnant and unacceptable a capitulation candidate, not a ‘compromise’ candidate is. The effort seems to have failed. I can’t figure out how to make it more clear, and perhaps there is a refusal to understand.
I was inspired by some Romney supporter who expressed a willingness to vote for Satan himself, because ‘nothing could be worse than Obama’.
Heh. Really?
Anyway, I have this on good authority:
“Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” Being one who does fear, you will not see kneeling at the tophet on the left, or kneeling on the tophet to the right. Both are branch offices of Hell.
This election is a test for all Americans. I am not falling for the trick question. My answer is: (C.) None of the above.
Jim and I went round and around yesterday, one on one, so don’t think I am timid or cowardly! As far as popular ideas go, I have found about 2-1 in favor of romney over obama in general, even if they have to hold their nose. It is evident you are playing favor for status, not very becoming at all for you.
It is evident you are playing favor for status, not very becoming at all for you.
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lolol. Now that’s funny. I don’t know how many rounds you’ve gone through against Jim, but I’ll match you 2 to 1 with my issues I’ve had with management throughout the years.
No way am I gonna ping Jim now. To do what? Rule who he likes the least? Me or you?
lololol
Here’s the history of Presidential votes. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781450.html
How did we get voters out in 2000 and 2004? How can we get them out in 2012?
Like most people on this board, I don’t think we can break records for Republicans if Romney is the candidate. On the other hand, the Dems can’t count on the wave for Obama, either.
Nevertheless, I’m asking for Conservatives to fight *for* Conservatives where they can, not *against* anyone but Obama and the Dems.
If it were easy, the Dems would do it.
Dare: Try to go one day without the zingers.
Oh geez, what was I thinking? Push the button for Perot.
So you believe that McCain would have given us 2 worse Supremes than Obama? And worse foreign policy? Seriously?
I was hoping someone would speak up about that before I had to.
We’ve had some bad blood over Santorum, so I was expecting that if I did, it’d have turned into a bloodbath.
And Mama is absolutely correct! When it was clear that, no matter what I said or did, nothing was going to change, I altered my course accordingly.
“You obviously have conservatives confused with Republicans. Lately that is not the same thing.”
I’m a Federalist, not a conservative. I vote Republican because one of only two candidates in the general election is going to win. I don’t give a rip what you call yourself, if you vote other than the Repub, you are re-electing Obama.
An old democrat saying: “You vote for the party, not for the man” That is exactly how Obama got elected in 2008, clinton in ‘92 and carter in ‘76. We the pubs didn’t vote the party in them years, we didn’t vote for the party, we decided not to vote for our man.
My hope is for a mass migration of Tea Partiers to the Constitution Party and dump the Whigs.
Would McCain’s Attorney General go out of his way to undermine the Defense of Marriage Act? Refuse to defend it in Court? Would he tell the Military to give out same-sex marriage benefits regardless of the law?
How would a McCain AG have looked at the Black Panther case, or any of a dozen State laws on immigration?
Would McCain have issued Executive Orders that overturned all of Bush’s pro-life, pro-marriage and pro-conscience regulations on January 21, 2009?
Does anyone seriously believe that even Romney would have done any of these?
Who would we be voting for in the Constitution Party?
I am too... in a different party. The rust is too deep in the GOP... its long past time to start fresh.
The nominee with the highest level profile is Virgil Goode. “Virgil Goode 2012” and there’s a wealth of background and voting data.
(Correction to last:)
The candidate (and hopefully the nominee) with the highest level profile is Virgil Goode. “Virgil Goode 2012” and there’s a wealth of background and voting data.
“And here come the third party rallies!”
Damn right!!! WTH did those complacent fools expect?
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Abject submission.
They are not getting it this time.
For more than a generation, I have supported each and every one of the GOP POTUS nominees. I have not liked one of them. Not one. The last three politicians I voted -FOR- were Ronald Reagan, Mike Foster and Sarah Palin. That is it, in a quarter century.
I mention this not because my single vote is that important, but because it is a canary in the mine example. For a generation I have supported a party and candidates I disliked. Intensely disliked, in all but one case, and hated in one. In this cycle, Willard is so vile on his record as a governor that NOT EVEN A SERF LIKE I HAVE BEEN will support him.
I only have one vote, but I will not be alone.
The canary is dead.
Really? REALLY!?
Running on a conservative platform? WHAT!? He is merely mouthing nice sounding words at you to get your approval and vote.
What is exessively more important is “WHAT he has done.” Look at his record, his own words when he wasn’t running. The man is a dyed in the wool socialist, (He does happen to have a rather nice, snappy looking ‘R’ by his name though, so he’s got that going for him.), a dyed in the wool gay-agenda supporter, a dyed in the wool.....
Oh bother, it’s all been said.
Romney? NO!!!!
Please, do not do that.
VOTE! Vote down ticket , vote for another party for president. Why? Deny the winner a plurality, a majority vote, a ‘mandate’.
Notice, I did not say vote Romney, as I will not. BUT, I will vote.
They are the same. The Republican party had the opportunity to push someone that would have been Obamas polar opposite. The ensuing landslide would have been EPIC.
But, instead, they push an ideologically identical socialist. That tells me the Republican Party also HATES America. They are in the same game of destruction. They just want to do it a bit slower, let you think you’ve done something to ‘stem’ the tide.
You name the Lord Jesus Christ.
And in the same breath, you say you will vote against pro-gay, pro-abortion, pro-national healthcare and socialist Obama by voting for pro-gay, pro-abortion, pro-national healthcare and socialist Romney.
Square that one up with Jesus.
I was unaware that McCain was running. Perhaps you know something I don't. Also, my comment, as well as the post I replied to, had nothing to do with McCains foreign policy.
I believe Romney will give us Supreme Court Justices that are liberal, big government supporters. Looking at Romney's record, I don't see how anyone can come to a different conclusion.
There are a group of “purists” around here who believe that one Executive is going to change America forever. They get all sanctimonious just before a general election and declare the end of civilization if we vote for EITHER the Republican or the Democrat. That way, when either candidate fails (as all men will) they can sit back smugly and proclaim, “I told ya so.”
They are not, in fact, constitutionalists. They are narrowly defined “conservatives” and when pressed can not articulate a consistent set of principles that would be acceptable to even a majority of other “conservatives”.
The closest they come is a few slogans that proudly set them apart from ever achieving majority status in a general election. The left has their counterpart and it’s why everyone knows that both candidates have to move to the middle at some point. The only ones who don’t understand that are “pure” conservatives. Whatever that is.
I have said many times and will say again now, American politics works like this:
The Democrat party commits the armed robbery and the Republican party drives the getaway car. They ride a few blocks and do it again and again and again and again. They work together. They are accomplices. They are each half of a single team. All Americans are their prey.
Like I said, I was paraphrasing from memory, so I went back and found Jim's actual post...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2871012/posts?page=296#296
It's a call to action!
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