Skip to comments.Conservatives, Republicans: Fire, Aim, Ready!
Posted on 04/12/2012 8:09:43 AM PDT by hocndoc
Conservatives are at it again: shooting our own.
When Conservatives decide not to vote for Republican candidates, Republicans lose. Conservatives lose. The Democrats, socialists, and atheists win. Obama wins.
Where Republicans voted in 2008, we won new offices. Where they voted in 2010, we won majorities. Conservatives made the difference in the winning races and in the lost races. Not only did we have fewer Republican victories in those races where Conservatives didn't vote, the races were decided by the least knowledgeable among us or by the Dems.
More than before, in conservative blogs and forums, I'm reading good men and women declare that they will never vote for Romney if he's nominated. They remind me that they were the ones who refused to vote for John McCain in 2008, or who (like me) voted for Sarah Palin and McCain just benefited as a side effect.
I certainly wish that Conservatives had found themselves working hard to force McCain to keep his promises for that last three years instead of watching Obama keep his.
And here come the third party rallies!
The problem is certainly the "GOP elite," and their support for Romney -- that's why Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry, and Rick Santorum couldn't get a foothold, right? And why Newt Gingrich is still so far behind?
How many votes do you suppose the "elite" have, anyway?
Talk about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, yesterday, Rush Limbaugh warned Conservatives what may happen if the Republican nominee doesn't win. Yes, he titled the post of the segment "A Warning to the Republican Establishment," ending with a prediction that the Republican Party might never recover if "they screw this up."
The warning to the rest of us is ignored:
If this doesn't pan out to big-time electoral victory the way the establishment has it figured, then what will their excuse be? And I think I know. I think that if this campaign goes on and if it results in Obama winning, I think what the establishment is going to do is blame us. They're gonna blame us conservatives for once again being too rigid and too demanding and too narrow and unrealistic and all this, and telling us that we're the reason that Obama won.
Why not? That's exactly what happened in '06 and '08. (And don't forget Rush's own Chaos.) The media and the Left ate it up! The lesson learned was that no one can count on Conservatives. That's why we repeatedly watch people who should be our champions "pander" (Rush's word) to the "middle," the "undecideds," the independents.
Why not learn instead from successes, like the 2000 election, a victory that the Dems never saw coming? A good friend recommended that I re-read David Horowitz' "How to Beat the Democrats." One of the lessons is,
Lesson 3: There Is No Natural Conservative Majority (But You Can Create One through Political Action). The critical role Republican unity played in the election leads to a third lesson: There is no natural conservative majority.
. . . Such facts are no cause for conservatives to despair. What they are is a reality-check. If the conservative mission is to restore basic American values, the way conservatives fight the political battle will determine its outcome. There may be no current conservative majority in America, but there is a potential majority, if Republicans have the will and intelligence to create one.
David Horowitz (2002-10-06). How to Beat the Democrats and Other Subversive Ideas (Kindle Locations 842-843, 861-863). Spence. Kindle Edition.
Do we have the will? The intelligence? Can we forget the animosity we have had for each other the last year? Are we willing to say, "Let him who never had a change of heart cast the first stone?"
An estimated 56% - give or take - of the Republican National delegates have been decided, but 44% have not. The numbers aren't set in stone, yet, depending on what happens to the delegates who went to candidates that dropped out or in States like Iowa, where the actual choice will be made at caucus in June. "It ain't over till it's over."
I'm sure that I won't see Conservative blogs pulling their anti-Romney posts, but I hope to see a few willing to be positive and work together to ensure Primary victories for the remaining Conservative in the Republican Primary, in order to deny Romney an easy nomination. Is their motto, "Anybody but Romney," or is it, "Anybody but Obama?"
The country can burn, and probably will, but I will not vote for Romney. OR Obama. They are both demons (h/t Psalm144).
Romney will make things worse at a slightly slower rate than Obama.
I may do that. Haven't decided on Palin (does she really want it?) but there will be a write-in on my ballot. And I will vote for my down-ticket candidates.
I will not help the country “burn.” Fast or slow.
In the mean time, half the R delegates are still up for grabs. The House and Senate can be won by true Conservatives.
This is my focus.
I read this on a thread yesterday:
...Vote conservative only, No RINOs. Support all your local conservative candidates. Get involved with your local GOP committee and help the conservatives take it over. Write to the GOP and tell them why you don’t support Romney and candidates like him and this is why you no longer send them money. Don’t fall for RINOs for any reason, they do not support you or your conservative values. And don’t be swayed by those who say RINOs are somehow preferable to Dems, they’re not. They’re just as bad, even worse, because they’re frauds...
I’m paraphrasing, but that’s the gist of it. Jim Robinson posted it. It’s a call to action, and it is a sound conservative position. Nowhere does it say to not vote, on the contrary, it calls for activism and involvement.
Preach it sister!!!
So your saying we can choose death by Drano or Death by rat poison. Problem is you think you can delay the death by rat poison, but we been drinking that for decades and the country is now bleeding to death. The cure we're told is to drastic - so look forward to a corrupt and bankrupt government controlling your health, regulating your total existence, but at least it will be Republican overseeing the hospice of the nation. The nation needs a 180 not a 2.5 degree course correction. If God is merciful to us we will have a civil war to restore liberty, I fear we lack the character to risk our lives our fortunes and our sacred honor for the cause of liberty. I'm not sure we love our posterity enough to give them the hope of liberty - we were already acting socialists the day we showed up in a socialist schools, we love the chains of tyranny as long as they are made of gold. Too bad we ran out of gold and the chains are now iron.
“When Conservatives decide not to vote for Republican candidates, Republicans lose.”
Republicans deserve to lose when they abandon their conservative base to support a liberal.
This will result in a third party run, support for existing third parties, or an unenergized base that stays away.
As they sow, they will reap.
It is not up to me to abandon all my conservative values to support a liberal.
It is up to the Party to include it’s base.
I’m off their plantation now. I vote for conservatives and not liberals.
I don’t vote for abortion supporters.
I don’t vote for gay supporters.
I don’t vote for more goverment.
I don’t vote for weasels.
I will continue to carry out the fight that the Republicans don’t have the balls to fight.
I’m so glad that Jim said this.
I take the meaning to be:
If conservatives vote third-party in November, they`re responsible for the death of America.
To that I say... BS. Conservatives have resisted Romney all along because:
a) He`s a friggin` chameleon whose color of the day suits the political environment;
b) He showed he is FAR more willing to throw the political equivalent of battery acid on his GOP primary opponents, yet speaks of 0bama in sickeningly reverent tones;
c) He laid the groundwork for Obamacare AND DEFENDS IT TO THIS DAY; and finally...
d) He has NO chance of beating 0bama in the fall.
I resent the position the elite GOP types pushed on us when it was all so fluid and back-and-forth in the early primaries.. “Stop with the nonsense,” we were told.. “We already have our nominee.”
The power brokers in the GOP did it to themselves and to America.
I, for one, have been voting for the “least worst” in general elections since Reagan left office. and I`m burned out on the feckless and cowardly GOP. It`s time for a new strategy and a new path, because the old ones don`t work!!
If Romney gets my vote, it'll be solely because a first-term liberal is less dangerous to the nation than a lame-duck Marxist. And because I don't see much evidence that Mitt loathes this country like Obama does. In other words, it'd be a step back from the brink - but that's all. No major change in the direction we're headed.
And with regard to that "our own" bit, I'd not be under the misapprehension that Mitt is "ours".
I understand your sentiment, but it is misplaced. The Romney thing isn’t about politics. Politics is very closely tied to personality types. Any candidate that can pull votes from the middle will never satisfy the fringe. This happens in every election.
Some personality types are always looking to lose. I see them in business and in social life as well as in voting preferences.
They think everything in the world should be about them, and when faced with facts to the contrary they react as you have seen.
When the time comes, some will quietly vote for Romney while claiming they didn’t. Others won’t. They are the ones who never vote anyway.
There are over 60 million voters who sit out each national election. The ones with the personality problems are a small part of this number. Most non-voters are simply apolitical. The grousers are a tiny fraction of that number.
But you’ll notice they insist upon they are living their ‘principles’, which is code for “I’m more important than you.”
They have my pity, I don’t get mad at them. Like the poor, they will always be around, and miserable.
No, it’s a false dichotomy to say the choice is between two forms of death.
Leonard made the point that to allow Obama to win is certain death, but the certainty is not there if he loses.
You quit too soon. We all lose, Conservatives lose.
Tell me, would you have joined a bunch of slave owners in 1775?
I think too early. SO long as Romney doesn’t have the nomination wrapped up, nobody really wants to consider the next phase. Newt is still theoretically in the race.
And I’d never expect people here to be happy about that outcome, if Gingrich doesn’t win. I think the best to hope for is that blatant falsehoods are not perpetuated, and that truth is always welcomed, even if it is undesirable.
If Romney is our nominee, that will be the time to discuss what he has promised, what he needs to be held accountable for, and I guess for some to argue that the country can’t survive Obama.
As I’ve never told anybody else how to vote, even when I have advocated for a particular candidate, I don’t expect that to change for me. I’ll be happy to explain why I’m voting a particular way (to whatever extent we will be allowed to do so if we are voting for the “wrong” person), and to argue that sitting out the election is a bad choice, but I’m not going to attack people who personally choose not to cast a vote for a candidate they do not support.
When Conservatives decide not to vote for Republican candidates, Republicans still lose. Conservatives lose. The Democrats, socialists, and atheists win. Obama wins.
Death is certain if Mittens the RINO prince reigns.
If this is my FR swan song, my opus, so be it. That’s not my intention.
Baloney. You’ve been itching for a zot for some time. Maybe Jim will scratch that itch today. Maybe not.
But you will some day soon Ride the Lightning.
I don’t see how you can call yourself pro-life and be urging us to jump on the Mitt Romney bandwagon. Care to explain.
I’m trying not to get mad, or at least not to post mad.
Do not call me a liar, please.
A good friend likened our attempts to a lifeboat. We make trip after trip with our leaky boat, to save those we can.
Our boat is being sunk by Obama’s regulations and Holder’s refusal to defend the law.
That’s good, getting mad is a waste of time. You must understand where these people are coming from. They think they are doing the right thing.
Chasing them or trying to placate them a waste of time too. They wouldn’t be happy with anyone capable of actually winning the nomination or the election so it really doesn’t matter.
I’m not advocating that anyone “ jump on the Romney bandwagon.”
Half of the delegates aren’t chosen yet. I’m asking for less anti-Republican rants, more work to turn the tide.
You didn’t answer the question. So are you pro-choice or pro-life? We know Mitt Romney is pro-choice.
I’ve changed my mind a few times in the past, so I think others can, too. No one is hopeless.
I know we can support the quiet ones who fear to speak up, and I do believe we can change the votes in the remaining primaries.
On day of the General Election, I will have to pick either the Republican or the Democrat nominee to be whom I would rather make the next Supreme Court Justice selection. These SCOTUS Justices are appointed FOR LIFE, and they either destroy or protect my liberty by what are often narrow votes. The choice will be a no-brainer regardless of who is running against the current man that currently occupies the office of the POTUS.
McCain isn’t Romney. One is a sometimes adle brained old goof and the other a 24x7 liar democrat. ORomney’s track record is clear to anyone willing to see it. It seems tho most republicans prefer their own brand of tyranny. Well, OK then vote for the guy but you won’t like the outcome. I recall all manner of cheering for Scoot Brown. Now its all grousing. It was clear from the get go he wasn’t a republican...
27 Words. I counted. That’s all I posted. Not one of them stated (or even inferred) you were a liar.
I think you need to take the kneepads off, they are not becoming at all.
Voting for the GOPe candidate only proves they can use us as their pawns. If people have fallen for the get in line meme then let them fall for the next ball and chain this government puts around their leg. Being forced like sheep is not something Im going to do this time. Those of you who tow the mark and support the party candidate need to understand that you have been used and the GOPe knew you would follow like lambs. Many of you have been used again. Suckers.
I work with the tools I have. In life or death cases, I don’t have the luxury to wait for or fashion the perfect tool.
The Republican Party is certainly not a perfect tool, but it’s the only choice at hand.
Besides half the delegates are not locked in, yet.
Thanks for the bump!
I would rather have 4 years of Obama, strongly and forcefully opposed by the House and Senate, than have 8 years of Romney who will be tepidly supported by the house and Senate.
Clarity and opposition is preferred over consensus and capitulation of principles.
How do you view my reply as sucking up?
And I’m wearing keepads in regards to what?
Look ...’swipe. If you are going to get snarky, you best explain yoursef.
Thank you for saying this so well!
“Would you have joined a bunch of slave owners in 1775?”
You need to pose that question to the estabs who repeatedly sell out conservatives in the party. I have “quit” nothing.... THEY quit ME!
What in this context constitutes “not quitting?” Continuing down the same failed path? How has that worked out?
If this is my FR swan song, my opus, so be it. Thats not my intention.
Baloney. Youve been itching for a zot for some time. Maybe Jim will scratch that itch today. Maybe not.
But you will some day soon Ride the Lightning.
You trying to fool yourself? You quote hocndoc, then first
word of your counted 27 is “Baloney!”
Not sure about where you come from but if someone ‘round here
quotes me and then says Baloney...well that is inferring I am
a liar and that you want to set me straight.
Go find another thread to threaten people about getting zotted. You add nothing to the discussion other than prove the point that FR is badly fragmented with threats against each other mixed in with the 1001 good ideas trying to help the republic including the two prominent in this thread “Vote for anyone but Obama” and “Don’t vote for anyone Evil”.
I hope that your hopes for the House and Senate are realized. Unfortunately, they weren’t in ‘08.
Can we build a Conservative coalition in support of a Conservative Congress for November, 2012?
Baloney. Youve been itching for a zot for some time. Maybe Jim will scratch that itch today. Maybe not.
But you will some day soon Ride the Lightning.........................................What, you hold a daily meeting with the powers that be as to what is acceptable to post??? As if you don’t like what somebody says you got some stroke to have them banned??? You been here less than half the time of ol doc and a lot less time than me but you think YOU can dictate or bully someone about their views?? Go sit back down in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking, you ain’t runnin nothin!
As long as Romney is on the ticket, I will NOT be supporting.
“On day of the General Election, I will have to pick either the Republican or the Democrat nominee to be whom I would rather make the next Supreme Court Justice selection. “
Excellent point and analysis!
I will also be considering that would I rather vote for someone
who can’t get re-elected and thus no longer cares what
the public opinion of him is or someone who is somewhat
guarded because they want a second four years. I think I
know which one is a somewhat safer choice.
You could take a look at the Constitution Party. That is where I plan to go if/when Romney is the nominee.
You could take a look at the Constitution Party. That is where I plan to go if/when Romney is the nominee...............................And just how many delegates does that party have???
Look, if you want to interject yourself in an ongoing discussion that started many threads ago - over an issue that you are completely ignorant about - then go ahead and make a total fool of yourself.
I did not threaten doc with a zot. Go back and read her own post 1. SHE herself knows she is treading on thin ice. She has been for years. I simply “agreed” with her.
Additionally, about “quitting”...
Here in VA, we were given the choice of Romney or Paul.
So, what again would I be “quitting?”
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