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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dude’s toast. Look, I’m a Conservative and I own several dozen guns. And I’m a Yooper. Zimmerman ignored a 911 directive to not pursue, he did not “Stand His Ground” because he pursued and fired, and he just gives me an impression that he is an overzealous idiot. I’m also white and open minded. I’d vote to convict this a-hole in a heart beat.


9 posted on 04/13/2012 2:27:55 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: yooper

Whew. The info you have is so last month.


11 posted on 04/13/2012 2:32:35 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: yooper

“Im a yooper “

No, you’re an idiot. Go back and read the pc.


13 posted on 04/13/2012 2:35:30 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: yooper

“because he pursued and fired, and he just gives me an impression that he is an overzealous idiot.”

I’m not sure it is clear he pursued and fired from what has been leaked so far. He could have been an overzealous idiot but not as much so as the prosecutor. She should have gone for manslaughter rather than murder 2. She has set up a likely failed prosecution and the street will riot when it does. That’s how I see it unless there is something powerfull against zimmerman that has not been made public.


14 posted on 04/13/2012 2:35:52 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: yooper
ignored a 911 directive to not pursue

directive? Define directive. "We don't need you to follow him". That was it.

15 posted on 04/13/2012 2:36:29 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: yooper

Let me clarify:

1) There was no “directive to not pursue”
2) He did no pursue

Of course, there has been a lot of misinformation about this event, so I can see how you’ve come to believe that he disobeyed the law and was bent on killing this thug from the get-go.


16 posted on 04/13/2012 2:36:52 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: yooper

You all cannot defend this man on grains of straw. He is a prime example of the outlier vis a vis that liberals throw in our faces to justify their attempts to take our guns. Zimmerman is guilty, and your posts here trying to find SOME justification for his actions only serve to embarrass our claims to our gun rights. So stop it and call it like it is.


18 posted on 04/13/2012 2:41:56 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: yooper

“Zimmerman ignored a 911 directive to not pursue, he did not “Stand His Ground” because he pursued and fired, and he just gives me an impression that he is an overzealous idiot. I’m also white and open minded. I’d vote to convict this a-hole in a heart beat.”

Capt. Zimmerman was protecting his NW patrol area from Martin who was looking suspicious while out seemingly casing houses for burglary when he attacked Zimmerman.


19 posted on 04/13/2012 2:41:56 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: yooper

“Zimmerman ignored a 911 directive to not pursue, he did not ‘Stand His Ground’ because he pursued and fired”

Firstly, the 9-11 operator was not a cop; those were not authoritative orders. Secondly, I don’t think we know whether he kept pursuing after the operator told him not two. Thirdly, he didn’t fire at the end of his pursuit. He fired, according to his story, after Martin attacked him. I don’t think there’s any evidence that he provoked Martin into attacking him. Continuing to follow after getting advice not to does not constitute such evidence.

While you may not provoke an attack in order to shoot someone in self-defense, the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did provoke the attack. More than that, for it to be second degree murder, he must be especially motivated by malice and hatred, or however they put it. I’m almost certain they can’t demonstrate that.

As for your knee-jerk reaction to the 9-11 directions, I’ve hear plenty of other people react similarly. I don’t get it. Since when do we live in a world where you can’t follow people? I understand if there’s a restraining order, or if you do it every day, or if you do it while nude and licking a knife. But following and reporting is not inherently provocative, and it certainly is not in itself an invitation for violence.

We must not let the bar be lowered, especially considering the open door it would allow for politically correct prosecutions such as this. Violence should not be instigated without an overt and obvious threat. I’m talking fighting words, brandishing of weapons, sudden movements after hostile actions, etc. Merely following is not enough.


22 posted on 04/13/2012 2:45:00 PM PDT by Tublecane
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I’m a yooper too, and agree with you. Except I’m not 100% sure he kept perusing Trayvon, I just don’t know. At any rate, if I were in Trayvon’s shoes that night, I’d have been very nervous about someone following me. How could he possible know that Zimmermann wasn’t going to attack and kill him? My guess is Trayvon probably thought he was defending himself from an attack. Or possible he actually had to defend himself. Did Zimmermann wave his gun around or show his gun to Trayvon? If so, Trayvon for sure did the right thing in attacking him and bashing his head into the ground. Oh...and I’m white too and a far right conservative.


29 posted on 04/13/2012 2:52:54 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: yooper

not two = not to


31 posted on 04/13/2012 2:55:02 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: yooper
No such thing as a "911 directive". Do you actually think you live in a country where the "commands" of a telephone operator have any weight in law?

Also, he actually did follow the "911 directive". He went back to his van when Tray attacked him.

42 posted on 04/13/2012 3:22:09 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: yooper
If TM had not died, would you still feel the same way?
I know you're still lurking....
44 posted on 04/13/2012 3:25:21 PM PDT by ▀udda▀udd
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To: yooper

Wow yooper, keep drinking the LSM kool-aid.


46 posted on 04/13/2012 3:34:30 PM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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To: yooper
"Zimmerman ignored a 911 directive...."

He was told to "just let us know if he does anything else", no wonder he started to follow.

50 posted on 04/13/2012 3:58:55 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: yooper
Dude’s toast. Look, I’m a Conservative and I own several dozen guns. And I’m a Yooper. Zimmerman ignored a 911 directive to not pursue, he did not “Stand His Ground” because he pursued and fired, and he just gives me an impression that he is an overzealous idiot. I’m also white and open minded. I’d vote to convict this a-hole in a heart beat.

Holy crap - you've been around for a while and managed to remain an idiot. 911 can only suggest - their away-from-the-scene suggestions carry no legal weight. if you followed the news with that "open mind" (more like a hole in the head), you would know that Zimmerman never closed with Martin and actually lost sight of him. He was, in fact, retreating when Martin accosted him.

It's not complicated unless your theme song is "If I Only Had A Brain"...

53 posted on 04/13/2012 4:16:25 PM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: yooper
Zimmerman ignored a 911 directive to not pursue.

The 911 operator said "You don't need to do that." That is not a directive not to pursue, and if the prosecution tries to characterize it as such, the defense and the judge will laugh it out of court.

And you'd vote to convict the "a-hole" before hearing any of the evidence other than what you've been fed by the MSM, eh, yooper? I question the color of your judgment.

55 posted on 04/13/2012 4:35:38 PM PDT by Spartan79 (I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health, and the liberties of man.)
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To: yooper
Don't be so "open minded" your brain falls out. Read the Police Chief on that so-called "911(sic) directive."

Then try to keep up.

59 posted on 04/13/2012 4:50:00 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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