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"Journalist" attempst to compare my books to the Turner Diaries
Western Rifle Shooters Association ^ | April 13, 2012 | Matt Bracken

Posted on 04/13/2012 3:36:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:58 AM, J.M. Berger wrote:

Dear Mr. Bracken,

My name is J.M. Berger. I’m a journalist working on a story about the EFAD trilogy for the Daily Beast. I was wondering if you’d have a few minutes to discuss the book between Thursday and Sunday via phone or email. (My deadline is Monday and I am out of the office most of today.)

I can be reached at this address or at 202-656-XXXX any time starting tomorrow morning.

Best,

J.M.

— On Thu, 4/12/12, Matt Bracken wrote:

From: Matt Bracken

Subject: Re: Media query, #EFAD

To: “J.M. Berger”

Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 8:10 AM

Sure, I can do that. It’s now 8am Thursday and I’ll be off the grid until later this afternoon, but we can set up a call for anytime after that.

Matt

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:13 AM, J.M. Berger wrote:

Any time this afternoon or after is fine with me. Just let me know, or just call when it’s convenient.

Thanks very much,

JM

— On Thu, 4/12/12, Matt Bracken wrote:

From: Matt Bracken Subject: Re: Media query, #EFADTo: “J.M. Berger”

Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 8:48 AM

If you would prefer, we can use written Q&A format. Or, you could shoot me some questions that I could consider prior to a phone interview. In any case, I’ll be out of range until later this afternoon.

Matt

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:58 AM, J.M. Berger wrote:

I’m mainly interested in understanding the role you see the book playing for the Patriot movement (entertainment or educational or inspirational, etc.), and how the book reflects (or doesn’t) your own political views.

I’d also like to talk about the inevitable comparison to “The Turner Diaries.” I didn’t think the comparison was inevitable after Book One, but it’s difficult to avoid by the end of Book Three. I’m interested in what you think of Turner, whether you set out intentionally to modify or improve on what it represents, and what role you think racial politics play in the modern Patriot movement.

JM

— On Thu, 4/12/12, Matt Bracken wrote:

From: Matt Bracken Subject: Re: Media query, #EFADTo: “J.M. Berger”

Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 9:20 AM

Did you actually read all three novels? Every page? I’m probably going to punt on this interview if your point is to compare my work to the racist screed the Turner Diaries.

Assuming you will say that you did read all three novels, I’m guessing you are comparing FEAT to TTD based on bad actions by black characters in and around Memphis. Do you honestly think that after major earthquakes cut off W. TN (no water, no power etc), folks will all join across racial lines to sing kumbaya? There would be no racial element? Such a plot would be laughably unrealistic and PC. And do you find the murderously evil white vigilantes in FEAT to be portrayed sympathetically? Another “Turner Diaries?” Really? And did you miss the catharsis in racial feelings by Jenny?

I mean, seriously, did you read the damn novel, or skim it, or possibly just read the excerpts on my website?

If you have not read, (I mean, really read), all three novels, then forget it. Get back to me when you have.

And in any case, forget a phone interview. I can see already how that would go, when your “notes” become written words in your essay. Been there, done that, still got the scars, pal. Submit written Q&A only is how this will go, if it goes at all. My trust-o-meter is pegging the redline. My trust in “journalists” after a few decades dealing with them is below used car salesmen and hookers. I’ve given interviews, and seen my words turned via the magical process of “notes” into damnable lies. Fool me once, etc.

Matt

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:45 AM, J.M. Berger wrote:

I read all three novels. These are the reasons I think it’s valid to compare and contrast:

1) Both books are predicated around revolution/resistance tied to the seizure of guns,

2) The Memphis section of the third book clearly echoes the content of the Turner Diaries. My opinion about the credibility of anything you described is entirely irrelevant to that point unless you’re arguing from a belief that black cannibalism is a realistically inevitable outcome of the breakdown of society or an unavoidable literary imperative of some kind.

3) Nevertheless, you seem to be approaching racial content in a markedly different way than Pierce. This is also a valid point for comparison and contrast, which is not the same as saying the two books are equal or equivalent.

4) Since you asked, my view is that the breakthrough that Jenny experiences is an awfully weak counterweight against the Memphis stuff. I plan on acknowledging its presence, and the other factors you included as counterweights, but I think it’s appropriate to discuss it in context. The balance in Book 3 is clearly much different from Book 1.

I can understand your wanting to clearly distinguish your book from Turner, but I frankly don’t understand your outrage over the comparison. I think it’s pretty obvious and valid why one would discuss these two books together. To acknowledge the commonalities is not to equate the books on the basis of racial politics, writing or anything else.

So for some actual questions. I’ll start with these, and if you’re still willing to continue, I will send more.

1) Did you set out to do a political book in the form of a novel, or did you set out to write a novel that simply has political elements?

2) Did you consciously set out to write something that would be a non-racist or at least less racial alternative to The Turner Diaries as a text for the Patriot movement?

3) Would you describe yourself as part of the Patriot movement or as part of some other political wave?

4) Do you feel that the Patriot movement has historically had a racist component? Do you think it needs to change in this respect? If so, why?

Thanks for considering this request.

JM

From: Matt Bracken

To: J.M. Berger

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:57 PM

Subject: Re: Media query, #EFAD

Mr Berger,

Let me take your approach for just a moment.

When did you stop beating your wife and children in drunken rages? Since we know that most journalists are drunken louts who beat their wives and kids, right?

Truthfully, most of the self-described “journalists” I have dealt with personally have been smarmy, lying SOBs, and I see you are typical of the breed.

AMF.


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To: APatientMan
“4) Do you feel that the Patriot movement has historically had a racist component? Do you think it needs to change in this respect? If so, why?”

I know, and this from an "all-platform journalist" and "terrorism expert."

What a freaking dork.

That question was where "when did you stop beating your wife" came to mind.

51 posted on 04/13/2012 4:47:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

If he knows you are on FR, maybe this thread will make it into the article. Suitably edited to make FR look bad, of course.


52 posted on 04/13/2012 4:49:46 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Chode
Yep, it was inevitable. As soon as my books began to get really wide traction, they would be used as a vehicle to tar constitutional conservatism.

Good luck with that, in four novels that feature heroes and villains in every category, racial and otherwise. Shoot, there are even Arab, Jewish, black and Hispanic heroes.

And villains.

(Unlike in his PC-fairyland, where only white Christian men can be evil villains, and it's a hate crime to have an evil person from outside that designated scapegoat group.)

It's not so different from the last National Socialists--today's liberals are all about racial identity. They just like and dislike different races today.

53 posted on 04/13/2012 4:53:48 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
I think everyone posting to this thread should read Berger's little bio-piece that follows. This guy has a leftist agenda as big as the planet Jupiter. To say he doesn't "get" what our side is saying is incorrect. His very use of the term "Patriot movement" in regard to your work shows he's not just ignorant but totally lacks basic intellectual honesty. You were about to become part of his new book on extremism, home grown right wing terrorism and on-line extremism. Watch out for those FBI folk!

ABOUT J.M. BERGER

54 posted on 04/13/2012 4:55:28 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: MileHi
I looked for the Patriot Movement, but I don't think they have a website yet.

Maybe we can start it off?

Hate to disappoint an “all-platform journalist” and “terrorism expert” like JM Berger.

55 posted on 04/13/2012 4:55:36 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: ebshumidors
I’d be happy to take Mr. Berger on a tour of Memphis.

I'm sure his ideological cocoon is impenetrable by reality.

But it would be interesting.

56 posted on 04/13/2012 4:57:24 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I write books too and have run up against similar. Thanks for reminding me to be vigilant.

Up till now, my main problem has been being blackballed by gerbalists, who would not report my finding that Harry Reid took money from pimp Joe Conforte of the Mustang Ranch in early campaigns. www.futurnamics.com/reid.php

I had an incredible exchange with Vegas gerbalist Jon Ralston I’ll have to post again.


57 posted on 04/13/2012 5:02:25 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: Travis McGee

Is it this

J.M. Berger is editor of INTELWIRE.com and author of Jihad Joe: Americans Who Go to War in the Name of Islam, available in hardcover and on Kindle.

http://blogsofwar.com/2011/10/31/american-suicide/


58 posted on 04/13/2012 5:03:25 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: Travis McGee

These people are blinded by their own smug, self-congratulatory assurance that they’re ever so much more clever and sophisticated than the rest of us. By their lights, we’re all knuckle-draggers, by turns dangerous, contemptible and amusing. Our values and all we hold dear are sniggering punch lines to their cocktail party jokes.

They only live because of our self-restraint. Which today, has worn exceeding thin.


59 posted on 04/13/2012 5:06:25 PM PDT by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: Jeff Head
Thanks, Jeff. A good bit of intel is that he referred in his emails to #EFAD, meaning the Kindle free promotion deal I called Operation #EFAD on Twitter. So I probably came to his awareness then, around the first of March. Then he had to wade through three long novels, (1,700 pages, 3/4 of a million words), to find a few pages he could, out of context, compare to TTD.

On the other hand, the subject of defending the Constitution, the theme of all three novels, never even came up from him. He could care less. 750K words on the Constitution (as in "enemies foreign and domestic") meant zip to him. Finding some unPC descriptions of racial conflict, oh boy, and he is off to the Daily Beast with a project submission!

60 posted on 04/13/2012 5:11:22 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Cannibalism is taking place this very moment, in Congo and North Korea, if nowhere else. For totally different reasons, but it exists.

And it will surely exist among already alienated gangbangers, a few weeks after all of the skittles are gone.

Does anybody think urban gangbangers will just starve in peace and quiet, due to their strong moral underpinnings, religious beliefs, and high cultural values?

61 posted on 04/13/2012 5:15:00 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: dynachrome
AMF: I'm a little older and slow on the draw with texting shorthand, but I assume for first word is "Adiós"?

Love it.

62 posted on 04/13/2012 5:16:46 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Travis McGee

“AMF”. Totally made my day!!!


63 posted on 04/13/2012 5:16:49 PM PDT by VirginiaMom
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To: APatientMan

http://jmberger.egoplex.com/recent.html

He runs an “intelwire” sort of website.


64 posted on 04/13/2012 5:17:19 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: katana

Yup. and the MF is what you think. (at least the way I use it)

;)


65 posted on 04/13/2012 5:19:35 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Smokin' Joe

It’s funny, because I’ve written tons and tons about my motivations and the points of my novels. It’s all on my website. I hope he reads “The CW2 Cube” and “Gangster Govt and Sakharov’s Immunity.”


66 posted on 04/13/2012 5:20:53 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: PA Engineer
Please ping us again when this journolista writes the review. This guy is full of the occupation race baiting meme. I wonder who and when he got his orders, or if he is just one of those “true believers” to the cause.

I think he's just a striving media hack desperated to get his bearded mug on ABCNNBCBS. Attacking "white racist lit" is, he thinks, his ticket from "who cares" Jihad Joes in the Heartland, to really hot button stuff: the dreaded Right Wing Racists!

Attacking them is the sure ticket to MSMTV as a featured talking head.

Shoot, the SPLC and others have made careers on that synergy with Gangster Govt TV.

67 posted on 04/13/2012 5:24:51 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I pointed out on facebook an Amazon ‘review’ of EFAD whose only other ‘review’ was Turner Diaries, the same day. Wonder if this is the guy.


68 posted on 04/13/2012 5:25:57 PM PDT by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: Bernard Marx
I can't wait to see if he scraps his Beast piece or not. I'm sure it's already written (he mentioned a deadline Sunday or Monday); he just wanted to know if I'd be fool enough to play the fool for him.

Instead, I threw his poisoned chalice back in his face.

Next time, they will try a more subtle approach, and not send this dork with his bull-in-a-china-shop approach.

(Can I still say china shop? Is that racist?)

69 posted on 04/13/2012 5:29:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DaxtonBrown

Gerbalists, are they as strident as herbalists?


70 posted on 04/13/2012 5:30:29 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: katana

I thought it was just Adieu Mon Frere.


71 posted on 04/13/2012 5:34:55 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: real saxophonist

If it was in the last month or two, possibly. I assume I came on Berger’s radar around early March with Operation #EFAD, the free Kindle dopwnload promotion.


72 posted on 04/13/2012 5:37:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
I thought it was just Adieu Mon Frere.

(chuckle) ... Sure ya did. Dammit, you made me laugh ... now I'll have to read your books.

73 posted on 04/13/2012 5:46:08 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Travis McGee

” I assume I came on Berger’s radar around early March with Operation #EFAD, the free Kindle dopwnload promotion.”

I was thinking the same thing.


74 posted on 04/13/2012 5:46:16 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Travis McGee

“Can I still say China shop”
I think Marion Barry said Asian shop


75 posted on 04/13/2012 5:47:09 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Travis McGee
(Can I still say china shop? Is that racist?)

Possibly, but I'd be more concerned about "bull." It has a conceivably negative association with certain womyn -- the kind who chomp on stogies and ride big Harleys with lavender trim.

76 posted on 04/13/2012 5:53:48 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Travis McGee
Didn’t they drum into our heads to assault through an ambush?

I thought it was if you're attack was going well it WAS an ambush! Besides assaulting is all tankers know HOW to do.

77 posted on 04/13/2012 6:04:24 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: Travis McGee

Only your hair dresser knows! Ha.

I hate the journalists here in Vegas, a more gutless crew I can’t imagine. I have to do their work.


78 posted on 04/13/2012 6:05:47 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: Travis McGee

So, I take it y’all ain’t going fishing this weekend?

You should send him my tag line.


79 posted on 04/13/2012 6:11:48 PM PDT by Eaker (When somebody hands you your arse, don't give it back saying "This needs a little more tenderizing.")
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To: Smokin' Joe
But you only got half of the meme: The other half is that no one else is racist (just the 'crackers'), something which has been handily refuted by the furor over the Martin shooting case.

You're right to point it out. Thanks.

TS

80 posted on 04/13/2012 6:21:54 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: Darren McCarty

Heh - laughed, and stopped, at the bit where 15% of the investigated group was FBI operatives. That’s not infiltration, that’s approaching takeover.


81 posted on 04/13/2012 6:26:10 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: MestaMachine; Travis McGee
anyone can call themselves an intel analyst, journalist, etc. dude sounds smug to me....
" I specialize in explaining complex subjects for ordinary readers, including business, science and technology, and terrorism"

82 posted on 04/13/2012 6:30:05 PM PDT by HonkyTonkMan
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To: Travis McGee
(Can I still say china shop? Is that racist?)

That is still OK as far as I know. However, "chink in the armor" has recently been thrown out for a lack of diversity.

Apparently the #EFAD campaign worked. Congrats Matt. Hope the entire trilogy is on the million seller list by June.

FReegards

83 posted on 04/13/2012 6:32:33 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: MestaMachine

He’s mentioned the Turner Diaries 25 times on his blog between 2004 and 2010.

Seems obsessed. Hopefully not in the same vein as was a famous obsession with Helter Skelter.


84 posted on 04/13/2012 6:33:02 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: HonkyTonkMan
I'll bet in his past he's been a Double Naught Spy, just like Jethro.
85 posted on 04/13/2012 6:33:02 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Eaker

I wish I was fishing this weekend.

I’m sure he’ll read your tagline when he’s entering us all into his DNSIWDTDB.

(Double Naught Spy Intel Wire Domestic Terrorism Data Base.)


86 posted on 04/13/2012 6:36:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
"Didn’t they drum into our heads to assault through an ambush?"

A near ambush, yes. For far ambush: lift, shift, flank, or something else that would work given scenario, terrain, etc.


87 posted on 04/13/2012 6:38:50 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: HonkyTonkMan

"I specialize in explaining complex subjects for ordinary readers, including business, science and technology, and terrorism"

88 posted on 04/13/2012 6:38:55 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Near ambush: run through as fast as possible while firing.


89 posted on 04/13/2012 6:40:15 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: HonkyTonkMan
"See, I got them racists all figured out. That's why I'm a Double Naught Spy."

1) Did you set out to do a political book in the form of a novel, or did you set out to write a novel that simply has political elements?

2) Did you consciously set out to write something that would be a non-racist or at least less racial alternative to The Turner Diaries as a text for the Patriot movement?

3) Would you describe yourself as part of the Patriot movement or as part of some other political wave?

4) Do you feel that the Patriot movement has historically had a racist component? Do you think it needs to change in this respect? If so, why?

Thanks for considering this request.

JM

90 posted on 04/13/2012 6:42:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Rebelbase
He’s mentioned the Turner Diaries 25 times on his blog between 2004 and 2010. Seems obsessed. Hopefully not in the same vein as was a famous obsession with Helter Skelter.

It must have been painful for him to read 1,700 words about defending the Constitution, just to strain out a dozen pages of racial conflict, to fit the trilogy into his template.

91 posted on 04/13/2012 6:45:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: skeeter
...Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction...

In case anyone's forgotten, the entire civilized world agreed in the late 1990's that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Also, Saddam Hussein proved he had WMD; he was accused of having them, he was tried for using them, he was convicted of using them, and, in the end, he was hanged for using them.

...Democratic president can be dragged into impeachment for sexual misdemeanors ...

Ummm, no. He was dragged into impeachment for perjury, and had his law license suspended for it.

92 posted on 04/13/2012 6:46:13 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee

Make that 1,700 pages, not words, in the trilogy.

(1,700 words is a pretty good effort for a “journalist,” though.)


93 posted on 04/13/2012 6:47:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: HonkyTonkMan
"" I specialize in explaining complex subjects for ordinary readers, including business, science and technology, and terrorism""


"That's like calling an Ice Cream Man a dairy specialist"

94 posted on 04/13/2012 6:47:56 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: familyop

Good point.


95 posted on 04/13/2012 6:49:21 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee

Drop him off on Tilden and yell “Look! It’s Zimmerman’s lawyer!”


96 posted on 04/13/2012 6:56:04 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: Liberty Valance

Thanks, I hope so too. Or even July.


97 posted on 04/13/2012 6:56:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
the presstitutes are sooooo predictable...
98 posted on 04/13/2012 6:57:34 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Travis McGee
You would think he would have started his research there.

I looked over his stuff on his web site, and made a connection I had not made earlier.

This was found on links there to Fox reports, and one of them mentioned that Anwar Nasser Alaqi was a speaker at a "Justice for Imam Jamil al-Amin" rally at 5:30 PM on Sept 9, 2001 at the Bren Events Center at UC Ervine.

I know of the Imam by a different name: H. 'Rap' Brown, a fellow who was intimately involved in inciting the riots which burned large portions of Cambridge MD back when. One of the students at my High School was busted by the FBI for running with that crowd.

Now here, in plain sight, is the connection between the Black Panthers, through a former leader with Al Qaida.

Add in jailhouse Islam, and the circle gets tighter.

Hiding in plain sight, deflecting query with cries of 'racism', we have a connection between two terrorist groups.

99 posted on 04/13/2012 6:58:32 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Rebelbase; Travis McGee
y'all on a roll tonight! Great job sniffing out the "bull in a china shop."
this "ordinary reader" reads Bracken.
100 posted on 04/13/2012 6:58:32 PM PDT by HonkyTonkMan
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