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Darwin and the Nazi Holocaust
A Whig Manifesto ^ | April 19, 2012 | Chuck Morse

Posted on 04/19/2012 7:47:32 PM PDT by Chuckmorse

April 19 is Yom Ha-Shoah, Holocaust Remembrance Day. In order to honor the day and to remember the dead, it is proper to reflect upon how the genocide against the six million Jews of Europe happened and why. The answers to this question are obviously complex and varied but the question must nevertheless be asked continuously and not a stone must be left unturned in the quest for understanding. Only in this way can we insure that it never happens again.

The influence of Charles Darwin’s Theory of Evolution on the Nazi movement and the Nazi way of thinking must be considered as part of the mix of ideas that made up the Nazi core. Darwin’s theory, in its essence, is a theory of breeding, what Darwin called “natural selection.” The word “species” is Latin for race and Darwin used the words species and race interchangeably in his writings. Darwin’s work was infused with the idea of impending doom for the human “species” unless the evolutionary process was advanced. Darwin wrote of the survival of the fittest and he viewed this as a natural process in which the superior, or the more evolved members of the human species would advance while the so-called inferior members would naturally die off or be annihilated. Darwin was heavily influenced by the scarcity theories of Thomas Malthus, the world’s first advocate of population control as a means to save mankind.

The belief in biological evolution formed the core of Nazi thinking. They believed that the Aryan race, a mythic conception that they derived partially from the theosophy of Madame Helena Petrova Blavatsky, was a more evolved species or, to use the vernacular, a superior race. They believed that if the Aryan were properly bred, and if the blood of inferior races were bred out of the potential Aryan population, than a new and more evolved species would emerge, what they called the Ubermench, or the Superman. The Ubermench, bred from the blood of German Nordic stock, would be blond, with blue eyes, would possess a perfect physique, would live up to two centuries, and would possess cosmic consciousness. Like Darwin, and like many of his followers, the Nazis believed in the concept of scarcity and that time was running out to save mankind. They believed that the best way forward was to evolve a better species of human beings. They believed it was their moral duty to isolate and to cull the populations of lesser species as they defined the term. Ironically, they did not believe that the Jews were an inferior species but rather they considered the Jews to be a highly evolved species that posed as a lethal threat to the supremacy of the Aryan species. Thus, they reasoned, in order for the Aryans to lead mankind toward the more evolved and perfected stage of biological human development, the Ubermenchen, the Jews had to be annihilated.

From a Darwinian perspective, the Nazi theory actually made sense. Unlike the Judeo-Christian concept, which holds that all men and women are created in the image of God, and are therefore created equal, the Nazis, deriving their idea from the scientific notions of the theory of evolution, believed that men and women were born un-equal and in different stages of the evolutionary cycle. Thus, to the Nazis, the German was more evolved than the non-German and was therefore more fit to survive.

Darwin captured the essence of the Nazi outlook in the following quote from his second book The Descent of Man:

At some future period not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time, the anthropomorphous apes…will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even then the Caucasian, and some ape as low as the baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: darwin; holocaust

1 posted on 04/19/2012 7:47:36 PM PDT by Chuckmorse
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To: Chuckmorse

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


2 posted on 04/19/2012 8:00:09 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Chuckmorse
Some think that the Nazis were influenced by doing selective interpretations of German philosophers like Hegel and Nietzsche but that does not seem to be very valid. The case for Darwinism influencing them as in the article is much stronger. Hegel while arguing that the divine light of progress moves from nation to nation was a Christian and Nietzsche while a rationalist actually felt the Germans were improved by having Jewish blood. The Nazis believed in a hierarchy of races with the strongest winning. In addition they also believed that might made right. If there was a spiritual influence it would of been a glorification of Germanic paganism as a tribute to war itself as an agent of change. When it comes to people the way ideas and concepts get all twisted about makes it hard to sometimes say one thing alone was the influence of something. The only borrowing from centuries of Christianity I see in Nazi philosophy was the concept of themselves as a chosen people set apart which was something the common German could understand from their Christian upbringings. Nazism wad a tool for men to take power upon themselves by manipulating everything they could. To dignify it as even aberrant Darwinism is giving it perhaps too much credit.
3 posted on 04/19/2012 8:34:44 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: Chuckmorse

Lol.

Seriously.

Lol


4 posted on 04/19/2012 9:06:46 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: Chuckmorse
Lists of Banned Books, 1932-1939

Guidelines from Die Bücherei 2:6 (1935), p. 279

-snip-

6. Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism.

http://www.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/burnedbooks/documents.htm#guidelines

5 posted on 04/19/2012 10:08:31 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Ken H

The Nazis were largely against the Enlightenment because they believed the movement tried to elevate itself above Nature and her natural racial laws. They believed that ‘primitive’ Darwinism was Victorian and Anglo-Saxon and therefore too indebted to universal values, all of which was seen as Jewish disease that eminated from the Judeo-Christian worldview. It was the Judeo-Christian worldview that taught people to take care of the weak, which the Nazis believed was contrary to Nature and was ruining the evolution of the races. The Nazis aslo rejected some of Ernst Haeckel’s (evolutionary) Monism that was based on Enlightenment principles, but they still swallowed whole many of his concocted ideas. In fact, thanks to Haeckel, the Nazis adopted Social Darwinism in place of Darwinism. In other words, Aryan Social Darwinism was superior to ‘primitive Darwinism.’ In short, the Aryan Nazis had evolved beyond Darwin.


6 posted on 04/19/2012 10:46:17 PM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: qam1

Wo....Just shows that evil people hide behind God but they actually serve the devil unwittingly.


7 posted on 04/19/2012 10:52:17 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian

oops..wow, not wo


8 posted on 04/19/2012 10:53:04 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: dog breath

Many intellectual German got all caught up in the Nazi movement, including Martin Heidegger, the most important philosopher of the 20th century who still has great influence in the halls of academia today. Fascism emphasizes holism, and so the Nazis adopted all kinds of various historical strands from their past into their ideology. Hitler believed that he was the culminating representative of the Volksgemeinschaft. So some of Hegel’s ideas do indeed come into play for the Nazis even though they rejected his basic philosophy since it was too universal. Yet Hegel gave to the Nazis the cult of the state, and that man progresses through warfare (Darwin took Hegel’s philosophy of history and undergirded it with ‘scientific’ biology). Nietzsche was not a rabid anti-Semite, but he was not a friend of the Jews. Nietzsche hated Christiany far more and emphasized an existential will to power ethic which the Nazis adopted into their ideology. The Nazis also adopted Romanticism and much of Ernst Haeckel’s Social Darwinism. Hitler himself loved Arthur Schopenhauer, the original guru of natural existentialism and environmental ethics. Schopenhauer is very difficult reading, but Hitler could quote him verbatim. The SS itself loved the Aryan cult worship, but Hitler was far more political and secular.


9 posted on 04/19/2012 11:01:54 PM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Ken H
Thank you. Yes, Darwin's books were banned in Nazi Germany, as was any mention of "Darwinism" in the universities.

Nazi ideology was based on the supposed separate creation of a succession of "Root Races", based largely on the theories of Scott-Elliot and Besant. In other words, they were creationists.

10 posted on 04/20/2012 1:42:12 AM PDT by John Locke
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To: John Locke

Root races has nothing to do with creationism since according to Genesis 1 all men are created in God’s image and are thus equal. In the 1800’s Darwinism was loaded to the gills full of racism until they became more politically correct after World War II.


11 posted on 04/20/2012 5:26:19 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: dog breath
The British Eugenics Socieity, run by Leonard Darwin (Darwin's son) had a vice president named Alfred Ploetz. Ploetz founded the German Society of Race Hygene and drafted Nazi eugenics policies. The connection is pretty clear.

Here: Inbred Science: Darwinism-Eugenics

“As an agency making for progress, conscious selection must replace the blind forces of natural selection; and men must utilize all the knowledge acquired by studying the process of evolution in the past in order to promote moral and physical progress in the future.The nation which first takes this great work thoroughly in hand will surely not only win in all matters of international competition, but will be given a place of honour in the history of the world.”—Leonard Darwin, Presidential address, First International Eugenics Congress, 1912.

12 posted on 04/20/2012 7:55:06 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: John Locke
Hitler and the Nazis were creationists.

Hitler spoke of fixed kinds “A fox will always be a fox”.

Genetic diversity is good for a population if one understands evolution. Hitler thought that diversity consisted of a dichotomy of “weak” and “strong” and sought to (through government action) eliminate the so-called “weak”.

Creationists cannot seem to escape blatant lies and historic revisionism. From testimony on the stand at Dover to the constant false equivalence of acceptance of a scientific theory with Nazism, Communism, or atheism - complete with accompanying historic revisionism - those that think they are on the side of God cannot seem to help serving the father of lies.

13 posted on 04/20/2012 8:11:18 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
Root races has nothing to do with creationism

Besant was an anti-christian marxist God-hating atheist who became head of the anti-christian Theosophical Sociey. If I recall correctly (I'll have to check) she was involved with a publishing house that published translations of Ernst Haeckel's works. Also, it is quite possible that Hitler read Wilhelm Boelshe, the biographer of Ernst Haeckel. Boelshe's ridiculous book "The Evolution of Man" was popular with communists too. I think Boelshe joined the Nazi party shortly before he died.

14 posted on 04/20/2012 8:18:57 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Chuckmorse

I have to say I like this thread, I learn from all the opinions and insights. There seems to be so many things that went into creating the poisonous witches brew of Nazism. I think anybody could agree that loving thy neighbor was not in there. There are some great quotes I have read in the past from our founding fathers in the United States about the importance of morality and spirituality in building a state, apparently they knew what they were talking about.


15 posted on 04/20/2012 8:48:15 AM PDT by dog breath
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To: allmendream

Hitler was an evolutionary pantheist, not a creationist. He believed that in the struggle for existence, the lower and weaker animals and races were bound to die out. As such, Hitler promoted the notion that “the consequence of this racial purity, universally valid in Nature, is not only the sharp outward delimitation of the various races, but their uniform character in themselves. The fox is always a fox, the goose a goose, the tiger a tiger, etc (Mein Kampf).” Thus on the same page, Hitler placed both man and animals under the same natural laws which must be obeyed, “you will never find a fox who in his inner attitude might, for example, show humanitarian tendencies toward geese, as similarly there is no cat with a friendly inclination towards mice.” Thus, Hitler adopted the Haeckelian-Darwinian survival of the fittest scheme with a vengeance, especially with regard to its application to people, “and the struggle is always a means for improving a species’ health and power of resistance and, therefore, a cause of its higher development.” What in the world this has to do with creationism is a figment of the leftist imagination. As such, Hitler professed the idea that gradual natural evolutionary development over time led to a SEPARATION of the species. Nature’s “most patent rule” was preserving the purity of the races in which all living species developed their own “inner segregation.”

By the way, with regard to the foxes being always the same, this is undoubtedly borrowed from Nietzsche who basically said the same thing. Hitler’s second favorite philosopher behind Schopenhauer was Nietzsche. Nietzsche was not completely sold on the biological theory of evolution, but still assumed the Darwinian struggle for existence to be a law of life.


16 posted on 04/20/2012 10:48:04 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
In Hitler's Germany any book discussing Darwin's theory were banned.

Hitler spoke to the German people about his Savior's blood upon the cross. Was that a pantheistic deity upon the cross?

“A fox will always be a fox” is a rejection of Darwin's theory - and an acceptance of fixed “kinds” common to creationist belief.

17 posted on 04/20/2012 10:55:58 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman

Hitler called the German people “the highest image of God”.

Is that too, like saying “a fox will always be a fox” an embracing of Darwin’s theory?

How does “the highest image of God” fit into being an “evolutionary pantheist”?


18 posted on 04/20/2012 10:58:06 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

It fits it perfectly. Pantheism was leading Germany to the highest evolutionary race.


19 posted on 04/20/2012 11:15:13 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: allmendream

If you read posts 6 and 9, this will clear the so-called problem you bring up.


20 posted on 04/20/2012 11:16:55 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
The highest image of God. God = singular. How is that pantheism?

What pantheistic God do you think Hitler and his audience were talking about when he spoke of his Savior's blood upon the cross? A pantheistic God?

It figures that someone who can see “a fox will always be a fox” and think it is embracing Darwinism would also see “the highest image of God” and “my Savior's blood upon the cross” in equivalent terms.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Rather pitiful.

21 posted on 04/20/2012 11:19:50 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

Pantheism believes that Nature is God, not that there are many gods, which would be polytheism.

The point of the “fox” talk post that I wrote was that you are taking Hitler out of context. Hitler posited his fox theory all within the context of an evolutionary framework.

Neither do I believe that you have read Hitler’s Table Talk. Hitler’s Table Talk reveals the real Hitler, unlike Mein Kampf, which in spite of its lurid discussions, was still a politically correct document. Hitler’s Table Talk is loaded with anti-Christian talk. In fact, there is more anti-Christian sentiments in his table talks than Anti-Semitism (Martin Bormann made sure of this because he hated Christianity more than Hitler did - he was the Fuhrer’ secretary).

Occasionally, The Nazis posited a “postitive” Christianity borrowed from Schopenhauer and Wagner, which was a de-Judeafied Christianity replaced with German values. It was therefore an attack on Christianity, not a continuation of it.

I could come up with so many anti-Christian quotes from Hitler in Hitler’s Table Talk that it would take all day to post, if not more. Hitler hated Christianity and had plans to get rid of the Christians after the war. Why? Because in Hitler’s mind, Christianity made Judaism universal.


22 posted on 04/20/2012 11:36:25 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
Wow, all those quotes from one rather suspect source written after the fact about what supposedly was said privately.

But all his public pronouncements to his adoring Nazi fans were pro-Christian, speaking directly of Jesus as his savior, of Germans being “the highest image of God”, of Jesus throwing the money changers out of the temple, etc, etc.

“A fox will always be a fox” is a denial that a fox like animal could give rise to any number of other mammalian species. That is a rejection of Darwinism and an embrace of ‘fixed kinds’.

When Germany went to war under the Nazi's it was with the Cross prominently painted on the sides of their tanks and planes. They made medals with “God is with us”.

They carried Bibles printed in German to battle with them driving tanks with crosses on their sides wearing medals saying “God is with us”, being told by their leaders that they were going to avenge their Savior's blood upon the cross.

Sure sounds like they were embracing evolutionary pantheism to me!/s

23 posted on 04/20/2012 11:47:02 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

——the highest image of God. God = singular. How is that pantheism?——

Pantheism means that everything is God, so “God” can be singular.

It’s an irrational idea, so it can’t be rationally defended, but beliefs that generally follow from it are the following. All dualities (true/false, this/that) are only apparent. They are not real. Therefore, what we perceive as reality is only an illusion.

Truth is to be found in Oneness. Pantheist spirituality involves emptying the mind of thought (all dualities) so that God can be experienced directly.

In truth, pantheists emphasize God’s immanence, but reject God’s transcendence. Christians accept both.

The danger of believing that one has transcended true/false and good/evil are obvious, as is pantheism’s appeal to a conscienceless man.


24 posted on 04/20/2012 11:48:47 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
That is fine, but it is obvious that when Hitler spoke of God and his savior in speeches to his Nazi fans talking about “blood upon the cross” and “the highest image of God” he was speaking specifically of the God of the Bible and Jesus.

How do you put a pantheistic God that is everything on the cross?

Such a pantheistic God would BE the Cross, the ground it was dug into, the nails, the sword, the blood, and the body.

Wouldn't the pantheistic God that was everything also be everything that was Jewish?

25 posted on 04/20/2012 11:55:46 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

Hitler’s Table Talk has been shown to be an authentic document by virtually all historians. Hitler only talked ‘positively’ of Christianity when in public because he knew that many Germans were still Christians. Hitler refused to believe that Jesus was a Jew, but an Aryan, and a Christianity without a Jewish foundation is no longer Christianity. Any kind of so-called Christian stuff coming from Hitler and the Nazis was all largely borrowed from Richard Wagner’s Parsifal opera fantasy, which had very little to do with historic Christianity.

Obviously, the conversation here is no longer making any progress. You have a Nazi chariacature in your mind that you are not going to let go of (that has all largely come to us thanks to leftist/Marxist propaganda). I am really sorry.


26 posted on 04/20/2012 12:11:28 PM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
No, it is highly suspected by historians of being a self serving version of events written after the fact.

Many Germans were still Christians? How about the vast majority were Christian before during and after WWII?

Obviously I can make no progress in casting the scales off your eyes if you see “a fox will always be a fox” and think it embraces Darwin's theory and read “my Savior's blood upon the cross” and think it makes reference to a pantheistic God.

“I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord..” Hitler

Christianity was part of the Nazi party platform.

“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.” Hitler

So if you want to make the argument that Hitler was secretly anti-Christian go ahead - hard to influence a movement with secret “table talk”.

His speeches to the Nazi's; providing them their justification to go out and kill - were couched in terms that any anti-semite Christian in history would immediately recognize - heck - he sounded a lot like Martin Luther!

27 posted on 04/20/2012 12:22:50 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream

I can only give you my assessment of his beliefs based upon the evidence that I’m aware of.

My conclusion is that he was a pagan/occultist. He abandoned Catholicism at a young age, and fell under the influence of various occultists.

He had no qualms about lying, so his actions speak louder than his words.

He persecuted Christian churches and clerics, was heavily influenced by the Thule Society, and wanted to obtain the Holy Grail for its occult powers.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/581241/posts

In my opinion he gave his strange belief system a Christian veneer when speaking to a Christian audience.


28 posted on 04/20/2012 12:23:17 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Why would a pagan think the Holy Grail had any power?

If you want to make the argument that in secret and in private Hitler was anti-Christian you can go ahead.

But it is hard to motivate a movement to go out and kill millions of people based upon things you said in secret privately.

His public pronouncements that riled up his followers into thinking the Holocaust was a worthy goal of their State were all “Avenge my savior's blood upon the cross” and “cast the money changers out of the temple” language common throughout history to anti-semites who were Christian. Hitler sounded a lot like Martin Luther on the subject.

29 posted on 04/20/2012 12:28:57 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
This book The Swastika against the Cross: The Nazi War on Christianity provides much info purposely ignored by mainstream historians.

Think of "mainstream history" as often being equivalent to the news presented by our MSM ... not so good and definitely biased.

Cheers!

30 posted on 04/20/2012 3:41:50 PM PDT by RileyD, nwJ (proud husband, father, and grandfather)
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To: allmendream

There is no such thing as a holy grail in Christianity. This kind of foolishness comes from paganism, not from the Bible. Faith in Christ is what provides eternal life, not the holy grail (Acts 16:31; Romans 4:1-8). It is the historic crucifixion and resurrection that provides salvation, not some kind of false security in contact with holy objects (Galatians 6:14-18; Colossians 2:13-17). Furthermore, anti-Semitism is a pagan invention. It was the anti-Semitic Haaman in the book of Esther who began the hatred of the Jews where we even first see the term “Jew.”

As far as Christianity is concerned, Read Romans 9:1-5 and John 4:22 to see the biblical Christian view of the Jews. Unfortunately, many Christians over the centuries have adopted the pagan anti-Semitism diatribe, but this was a carryover from paganism not from Christianity. Many pagans got saved, but held onto their anti-Semitism, completely overlooking the fact that the very disciples who founded Christianity were all Jews!


31 posted on 04/21/2012 1:32:05 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
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