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Screw the GOP, They Don't Seem to Want My Vote Anyway
http://libertarian-neocon.blogspot.com/2012/04/screw-gop-they-dont-seem-to-want-my.html ^ | libertarian neocon

Posted on 04/25/2012 9:46:05 AM PDT by libertarian neocon

I'm done.  I'm a lifelong Republican and I'm done.  I've been a Republican since I was 6 and I saw Reagan speak on our old 13" black and white television set about freedom and about the evils of the Soviet Union, where I was born.  I grew up listening to Reagan and I kind of always thought that he was what the Republican Party stood for.  For individual liberty at home & abroad.  "Moderates" like George H. W. Bush seemed like some sort of aberration to me, an exception to the conservative Republican rule.  Looking back though, it's pretty clear that Ronald Reagan was the aberration.  In 1988, instead of nominating the father of the Reagan tax cuts, Jack Kemp, the GOP nominated the anti-Israel squishy moderate George H. W. Bush.  In 1996, instead of nominating the stalwart conservative Phil Gramm (lifetime ACU rating of 95) or the flat tax visionary Steve Forbes, the GOP nominated another squishy moderate, Bob Dole (lifetime ACU rating of only 82).  2000 was a joke as the establishment had pre-decided that W was going to be the nominee and he really didn't have any real opposition.  W, the "compassionate conservative".  We all know how that ended.  Ballooning federal spending and even a new entitlement!  It was so bad that even in his home state of Texas I heard of people say that he destroyed the Republican Party by governing the way he did.

Looking back before Reagan, I think the last Republican President I actually would have liked was Calvin Coolidge, who was elected in 1924, a whopping 88 years ago (even Reagan's 1980 election was a hell of  along time ago, a whopping 32 years).  So in 88 years, there have been a total of 2 Republican Presidents and only 3 nominees (add Barry Goldwater in 1964 to the mix) who believed in small government, free markets and individual liberty.  Being a Republican who believes in those things seems to be a great way to torture yourself.  You are constantly tempted into thinking "maybe this time" but more often than not they end up giving you someone you despise but feel you have to support as they are the lesser of two evils.  Well, I am done supporting any sort of evil, lesser or otherwise.  Alternating the Presidency between lesser evils and full-on evils are how we got into the mess we are in.  When the Democrats are in charge, the size and scope of government is increased dramatically (except under Clinton, where he tried to nationalize healthcare but was stopped and then a Gingrich-led Republican Congress kept him in check) and when the Republicans are in charge, government also increases, albeit at a slower rate.  We're now to the point where even if we cut all discretionary spending to zero, we will just be balancing the budget, thanks to all the promises of entitlements made in prior administrations (Mary Meeker has a great presentation on how screwed we really are).

Romney is just the last straw for me.  I can't really say for certain what I agree with him on or exactly how he differs from how Obama has been governing (as George Soros said, "If it's between Obama and Romney, there isn't all that much difference except for the crowd that they bring with them"). He believes in the individual mandate as a way to reform healthcare despite it being an abrogation of individual liberty.  He is going to raise taxes if elected President, he has said as much.  I'm not even sure how his foreign policy would be different.  So far, all I understand is that he would leave Afghanistan 3 months later than Obama and would only criticize Israel in private.  Sure, I'm sure his decisions would be less bad than Obama, his regulations less over-reaching, but that is simply not enough for me.  And the worst part of this whole process was that so many conservatives stood on the sidelines, not doing all that they could to keep a progressive from becoming the GOP nominee.  Where was Sarah Palin's endorsement?  Where was Jim DeMint's?  Why weren't they out there campaigning, highlighting Romney's terrible record as Governor?  The establishment had clearly decided on a candidate and these so-called iconoclasts didn't want to hurt their own careers.  They just wanted to go along to get along.  The conservative press was no better.  They didn't want to hurt their future access to politicians and/or the White House.

So what now?  Ideally, I'd like the Tea Party to get together and form a proper political party and then act somewhat like the Conservative Party of New York.  Sometimes they would endorse the Republican, but if they don't agree with the choice, they would field their own candidate.  That would act as an incentive for the Republicans to nominate a candidate that is acceptable to conservatives.  Having a convention before the Republican primaries even start would probably maximize the Tea Party's impact.  Imagine if a conservative nominating convention had come together and endorsed just 1 of the conservatives running for the nomination before Iowa.  Instead of the vote being horribly split, allowing the only moderate in the race to win race after race with under 50% of the vote, the story might have been vastly different.

For 2012, I seem to have only two choices.  Vote for the Constitution Party candidate or the Libertarian Party candidate.  There is clearly a lot of overlap between the two groups (Ron Paul actually endorsed the Constitution Party candidate in 2008) but the Constitution Party is just a bit too anti-immigrant (even legal immigrants) and socially conservative for my taste.  Heck, their last nominee, Chuck Baldwin, even said that people "misunderstand Southern slavery".  What exactly is there to misunderstand about chattel slavery?  Now, it's okay to sympathize with Confederate arguments over states rights, but slavery?  That just goes way too far for me.  I would find the Confederacy a lot more sympathetic if they had freed the slaves and then fired on Fort Sumter.

That leaves the Libertarian Party.  I don't agree with parts of the platform, that's for sure.  After watching the towers go down from my midtown office on 9/11, I can't agree with their dovish foreign policy.  But on just about everything else, they are right on.  Small government and individual liberty permeate every fiber of their being.  As long as you aren't directly harming someone else or violation there own rights, you can run your business the way you want.  And if you want to smoke or eat a plant in the privacy of your own home, what right does anybody have to say you can't?  They even are likely to nominate a pretty good candidate this time around in the former two term Governor of New Mexico, Gary Johnson.  Check out what the Club for Growth wrote about him:

TAXES

Overall, Governor Johnson has an excellent record on taxes and consistently pushed for tax cuts despite having to deal with the liberal New Mexico Legislature.  Late in his second term, the Cato Institute found that Johnson was one of "four governors proposing or enacting the largest income tax rate cuts during their tenures."

In his first term, Governor Johnson proposed reducing the top rate of the state personal income tax from 8.5% to 8%, along with other tax cuts, but was rebuffed by the Legislature.   He signed a repeal of a 1993 6-cent-a-gallon tax hike.  In 1997, Governor Johnson again proposed to cut the top rate, this time to 8.3%.  The legislature proposed to cut it to 8.2%, but offset some of the revenue losses from this and other tax cuts with a cigarette tax increase.  According to Cato, Johnson signed the income tax cut, and "vetoed the cigarette tax hike."  

Unlike some of the other Republican candidates for President this year and in past election cycles, Gary Johnson never raised the cigarette tax.  While the tax on cigarettes has little relevance to economic growth, the fact that he held the line on such taxes demonstrates how strongly he opposes tax hikes.  In 1999, he vetoed a 12-cent-a-pack cigarette tax hike —"not because he liked smoking, he says, but because he opposes all tax hikes."  New Mexico's cigarette tax rate stayed the same from 1995 to 2003.

In 2001, Governor Johnson vetoed a bill to cut the top income tax rate from 8.2% to 7.7% because it also lowered the dollar amount that the top rate kicked in.  His proposal would have cut the income tax by $72 million while the legislature wanted just a $32 million cut and a $30.5 million one-time rebate. Johnson later said he regretted vetoing the legislature's version.  Over the course of his two terms, Governor Johnson "cut the state income tax, the gasoline tax, the state capital gains tax, and the unemployment tax."

As a candidate for President, Governor Johnson has indicated his support for a flat tax.  He also supports eliminating the corporate income tax.  He called the 2010 deal to temporarily extend the Bush tax cuts for two years "not a good one" because it didn't make them permanent.

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SPENDING

Governor Johnson was one of the most anti-spending governors in New Mexico history.

Governor Johnson set a state record for vetoes as Governor, earning the title "Governor No" after 742 total vetoes of bills over two terms.  In an interview with John Stossel on Fox News, Governor Johnson bragged that one of his veto messages was "I'm vetoing this piece of legislation because it's just way too long and we don't understand what it says."

Governor Johnson looked for private alternatives to the infrastructure spending that too often busts state budgets. For example, Highway 44 between Albuquerque and Farmington was "designed, financed, built, and guaranteed by a private company."

In 2000, he refused to sign a budget and forced a special session with the legislature over funding priorities, a battle which ended with Johnson signing a $3.5 billion dollar budget but vetoing several small spending priorities such as $5 million on expanded Medicaid.  He threatened to shut down state government when the legislature fought him and even threatened to let prisoners out of jail if the state couldn't afford to house them.  

On federal issues, Governor Johnson says he would have opposed TARP. "Government should not have been involved in this…Why should Goldman and AIG be saved but not Lehman?"  He also wants to eliminate government subsidies for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  He says he would have voted against the stimulus.

He has said that he would cut the federal budget by 43%, "Start out with the big four - Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and defense," Johnson said in New Hampshire in early 2011. 

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REGULATION

In 1999, Johnson vetoed a bill which would have raised the minimum wage from $4.25 per hour to $5.65.  He also signed a law deregulating New Mexico's electricity market that allowed residential, small-business customers and schools to start shopping for their electricity supplier.  He's argued that when a Democrat negotiates with labor unions through collective bargaining it's a "giveaway" instead of a negotiation.  He says he doesn't believe in cap-and-trade legislation, saying that "I do not believe that taxing carbon emissions is the way to go forward."  Governor Johnson also opposes so-called "Net Neutrality" regulations that would lead to a larger government role in the use of Internet bandwidth.

Pretty good stuff.  Gary Johnson will govern this country, the way it should be governed.  I know some people will say that I am throwing away my vote or voting for Obama.  I am voting FOR small government and individual liberty, how can that be a waste?  If the Republicans had really been interested in my vote (as well as the votes of other Republicans like me) they would not have nominated someone who believes that government knows best.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: obama; rino; romney

1 posted on 04/25/2012 9:46:09 AM PDT by libertarian neocon
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To: libertarian neocon

Amen brother. I’m 99.9% probably going to vote for Johnson too. Johnson actually won reelection as Gov of NM which is more than can be said of one-term Willard the Cowardly Lion.


2 posted on 04/25/2012 9:49:27 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: libertarian neocon

Suck it up and vote against the Kenyan. duh


3 posted on 04/25/2012 9:49:27 AM PDT by y6162
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To: libertarian neocon
Amen!

Doesn't matter who you vote for, they are all involved in a criminal enterprise and no limiting of terms or rearranging of deck chairs will change that.

Let's see what collapse actually means so we can get about rebuilding.

4 posted on 04/25/2012 9:52:17 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Typed using <FONT STYLE=SARCASM> unless otherwise noted)
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To: libertarian neocon
I with you brother. Their is not difference between the political parties any more.
5 posted on 04/25/2012 9:55:44 AM PDT by man from mars
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To: y6162
The only problem with voting AGAINST someone is that there isn't any spot on the ballot for doing that.

I'll just vote for a conservative. And Romney ain't no conservative.

/johnny

6 posted on 04/25/2012 9:57:22 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: y6162

I am voting against the Kenyan/Arab. Im voting for someone who believes in America and the ideals it was founded on.


7 posted on 04/25/2012 9:59:18 AM PDT by libertarian neocon
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To: libertarian neocon
Hang in there buddy, you are in for a pretty rough ride here.
Many, maybe most here on FR believe they are too squishy on immigration, drugs and foreign policy.
However I have to agree with the Libertarians on about 95% of their policies, so.....
I will be voting for Gary Johnson over Obama or Obama Lite.
8 posted on 04/25/2012 10:02:44 AM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: man from mars

Because of the GOP-e we have Romney who WILL NOT defeat Obama in the general. Conservatism died since the 2010 midterms with many jumping ship once elected.

We The People, by the thousands, need to converge and make a stand in Tampa.


9 posted on 04/25/2012 10:03:11 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: libertarian neocon

(insert sound of a five year old crying, taking his toys and going home)


10 posted on 04/25/2012 10:08:27 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Tupelo

Thanks Tupelo.

The Libertarians are not perfect but they are probably my best choice for now. At least until there is a Freeper political party.


11 posted on 04/25/2012 10:09:54 AM PDT by libertarian neocon
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To: y6162

Bend over and vote for the Massachusetts Moderate.


12 posted on 04/25/2012 10:13:14 AM PDT by McGruff (If Newt is out so am I.)
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To: libertarian neocon

I am voting against the Kenyan/Arab.

Me too. With all of mitten’s problems, he is a far better choice than having this turd of a POTUS for another 4. Staying home or voting for someone in protest against the Republican party is a waste of time and will guarantee an obunghole second term. I rather have a Romney picking the next Supreme court judge than a 100 percent chance of another Marxist pick by obunghole.


13 posted on 04/25/2012 10:16:05 AM PDT by hdbc (1/20/13 End of an Error.)
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To: libertarian neocon
>"They Don't Seem to Want My Vote Anyway"

Just because they want to shove a pale 0bie on us?

I'll vote Ron Paul before I vote Albinobamma!

14 posted on 04/25/2012 10:19:06 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: libertarian neocon
Why not just donat directly to Obama and be done with with?The “libertarian” or more correctly liberal tarian says it all.
15 posted on 04/25/2012 10:25:38 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: hdbc
Ok. That makes you and Jimmy Carter that are comfortable with a Romney presidency.

I'm not.

And besides, with Romney's track record on judicial appointments, he won't be better than Obama.

/johnny

16 posted on 04/25/2012 10:35:09 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: jmaroneps37

“Why not just donat directly to Obama and be done with with?The “libertarian” or more correctly liberal tarian says it all.”

I’ve never voted or donated to a Democrat or Progressive in my life, which is why I wont be voting for the progressive Romney.


17 posted on 04/25/2012 10:35:23 AM PDT by libertarian neocon
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To: McGruff

Nobody is happy with RomneyCare, but contributing in anyway to four more years of the Kenyan lizard’s communist coup is suicidal.


18 posted on 04/25/2012 10:38:39 AM PDT by y6162
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To: libertarian neocon
At this point--anybody with an IQ above 50 knows that we must work for Romney (or whoever is nominated by the Republican Party) as though the lives of our children depended on it! They do!

Whoever is elected President in November will probably appoint 4 justices to the Supreme Court.

We can not afford the luxury of indecision or squabbling or anything else.

It is literally a matter of life and death for the United States and for our children and grandchildren.

Anyone and anything that interferes with the election of a Republican President and Republican Congressmen is a threat to our children. I do not intend to be polite.

19 posted on 04/25/2012 10:46:32 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Nothing is more enlightening than truth. Nothing is darker than mendacity.)
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To: libertarian neocon

Thanks for the belly laugh...Freeper Party...that’s the ticket...a bunch of stay-at-home cyber cowbabies. Try and organize your local Freeper board into a political go to group and you’ll see what I mean. Thanks again, LOL!!!


20 posted on 04/25/2012 10:58:38 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: Savage Beast

Screw Willard AND his Socialist R’bot groupies.


21 posted on 04/25/2012 10:58:58 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: libertarian neocon

I’ve been considering voting Newt in the upcoming Texas primary. I may have to rethink that, because you can’t sign a petition for the LP to get on the ballot if you’ve voted in another primary. Damn.


22 posted on 04/25/2012 11:00:11 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Savage Beast

Please take a look at the history of Romney’s judicial appointments and get back to me.


23 posted on 04/25/2012 11:01:09 AM PDT by libertarian neocon
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To: Savage Beast

If you are suggesting voting for the lesser of two evils, well - you can stuff that where the sun don’t shine. A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. I refuse to vote for evil.


24 posted on 04/25/2012 11:04:32 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Tupelo
Many, maybe most here on FR believe they are too squishy on immigration, drugs and foreign policy.

There is a great deal of variance amongst Libertarians on the 1st and 3rd items you mention. I'll have to look this guy up, and start doing some research on what's happening in the LP in Texas. I'm mostly libertarian, but generally not Libertarian, if you take my meaning.

25 posted on 04/25/2012 11:05:19 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Savage Beast

If it really is a matter of life or death as you say, then we’re done for, as Romney will not govern materially different than Obama in any case.

Since I’m over the top cynical/pessimist, I’m voting for Obama, because I expect Armageddon, and I’d rather have a Democrat to blame when it all goes down.

A Democrat executive and a GOP legislature is probably the best case scenario for us going forward. So hold your nose and vote for the real Kenyan, not the white one.


26 posted on 04/25/2012 11:08:10 AM PDT by delapaz
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To: Tupelo

I would rather play isolationist for 4 years than play socialist or communist.... I am a small l libertarian, and will be voting the libertarian party. Now, imagine what would happen if all the pissed off so called conservatives said the hell with the pubs and voted libertarian!!! They might even take a coupla states... THAT would be the shot heard round the world...


27 posted on 04/25/2012 11:10:45 AM PDT by joe fonebone (If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil.)
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To: Savage Beast

List the conservative appointments versus liberal appointments made by Romney while he’s been Governor of the State of Massachusetts.


28 posted on 04/25/2012 11:11:29 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: C19fan

That would be one huge vote for Obama because 3rd party votes will re elect Obama.


29 posted on 04/25/2012 11:12:34 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Savage Beast
I won't vote for any liberal, and that includes Romney.

I will also campaign against all liberals, and vote for a conservative.

And I heard the same over-the-top fear mongering when Clinton was up for re-election and the GOP pushed a moderate.

Get over it.

/johnny

30 posted on 04/25/2012 11:24:49 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: libertarian neocon
Gary Johnson will govern this country, the way it should be governed.

No he won't. He would have to be elected to do that.

31 posted on 04/25/2012 11:26:18 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: chris_bdba
No, GOP dirty tricks, rule changes, attacks on conservatives, and putting up a liberal will get Obama re-elected.

Anyone that voted for McCain let the GOP know that it's ok to keep moving left.

/johnny

32 posted on 04/25/2012 11:27:39 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: libertarian neocon
INCORRECT: they DO want your vote. That's why they slap the "Conservative" label, or at least embrace what the media gives them, every election cycle, on candidates like Bob Dole, GB I & II, Juan McCain, Romney... and hope you're dumb enough to fall for it.

I see you're not.

33 posted on 04/25/2012 11:28:36 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (I won't vote for Romney, period. Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still voting for evil.)
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To: All

If the entire conservative core of our country feel as those I am reading in this thread feel, then we’re handing the second term to Barry Soetoro on a gilded platter....


34 posted on 04/25/2012 11:35:36 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: Boonie
No, the GOP handed Obama a second term when they destroyed the conservatives, cheated by changing the rules, and dirty tricks with a complicit media and pushed a liberal.

/johnny

35 posted on 04/25/2012 11:46:05 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Anyone that voted for McCain let the GOP know that it's ok to keep moving left.

/johnny


So go work at the grassroots level of the GOP wherever you live with other like-minded people and take it over and then move up to the next level. That's how the leftists did it to the Democrat Party over a period of 30 years. They didn't just sit around on their asses whining about the party not being far enough left for them and not wanting their vote and that they were going to go out and start their own really, really far left party.
36 posted on 04/25/2012 11:50:17 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
The problem is that the party elites own the rule book. And when a real conservative shows up, they change the rules or otherwise sideline them.

So that can't work. They are entrenched on the high ground with the firepower. Doesn't matter how many grass-roots are conservative.

Only way to beat them is to bypass them and starve them out by not rewarding them with votes for their liberal candidates.

/johnny

37 posted on 04/25/2012 11:55:02 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Boonie

“then we’re handing the second term to Barry Soetoro on a gilded platter....”

I’ve heard many say that that is what should happen which will bring about total collapse.

That may be desirable so that the rebuilding process or Rev. II can begin.


38 posted on 04/25/2012 11:55:18 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
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To: Boonie

Most Republicans are not conservative...they are Rinos and will vote as they are TOLD.

True conservatives get it..and mostly, they are the ones who are standing up for truth.

A vote for Romney is a vote against conservatism and for linguine spined moderate Republican stances.

But never fear, Boonie. Unfortunately, there are not enough of us willing to come forward. We are still the Silent Majority...ie the Sleeping Giant is still sleeping..


39 posted on 04/25/2012 11:56:00 AM PDT by Mountain Mary (We not not inherit the earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Native American P.)
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To: libertarian neocon
Looking over your screed I notice that you don't talk about doing anything other than eating what's put on your plate or bitching about it. After a while you need to grow up and start to do the cooking yourself--HINT, that means get involved with the actual organization of the Republic Party instead of thinking that voting for whoever is presented to you by that party is the extent of your duty to the party. That's only reacting. If you don't like the organization, get involved and change it from the inside out. That's the only way it's going to happen. It worked for leftists in taking over the Democrat Party. It took them decades, but they did it. They've already made encroachments on the Republican Party, too. But the answer you and others seem to propose is to abandon the Republican Party and make it all the easier for them. Then you'll have two large leftist parties and all the other tiny things like the Libertarian Party, the Green Party, the Temperance Party, etc..
40 posted on 04/25/2012 11:59:03 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: humblegunner

Calling humblegunner. Come in. Blog-pimp spotted. Over.


41 posted on 04/25/2012 12:00:19 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
Then you'll have two large leftist parties

Wake up and smell the coffee. That's all we've had for years.

/johnny

42 posted on 04/25/2012 12:01:43 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Savage Beast; delapaz
Savage Beast: Whoever is elected President in November will probably appoint 4 justices to the Supreme Court.

Right this is the only, and I do mean O-N-L-Y reason any republican or conservative would vote for Willard.

Crap law can be corrected. S.C. Justices are for life and they can overturn crap law.

delapaz: I’m voting for Obama, because I expect Armageddon, and I’d rather have a Democrat to blame when it all goes down.

A Democrat executive and a GOP legislature is probably the best case scenario for us going forward.

I have heard this scenario from several folks I know. Serious, to the core, rational, thinking conservatives. The "Democrat executive and a GOP legislature" gridlock scenario is not entirely unconventional however, we are dealing with a nutjob that already is circumventing co-equal branches of our government with the support of the media.

I do not believe the gridlock scenario will work. It will play right into the hands of the nutjob with his "We can't wait for Congress to act" violations of the Constitution. Four more years of executive orders, memos, circumventions, unconstitutional procedure, illegal recess appointments and consolidation of power to the executive branch and this Republic will fall.

That is as certain as the sun will rise and set.

I an voting against the nutjob.

It does not look like I get to vote FOR anything... again.

.

43 posted on 04/25/2012 12:34:37 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: JRandomFreeper

How do we go about “cleaning house”????

It si going to have to begin at the state level and Congressional levels....


44 posted on 04/25/2012 12:43:51 PM PDT by Boonie
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To: Mountain Mary

What I am fearful of, Mary, is the second term of this communist we now have in office...I don’t think America will survive another term...He has even been able to skirt the checks and balances of Congress....He HAS to go.....


45 posted on 04/25/2012 12:50:48 PM PDT by Boonie
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To: Boonie
You can't start at the state or local level if 'moderates' are entrenched and have control of the rule-book. They do cheat to sideline true conservatives. Why do you think I left the GOP? I did work within the system. The system is corrupt, and the rules change to keep the 'moderates' on top.

Cut them off at the root is the only way to do it, and to do that, you can't reward them with a vote for a liberal.

/johnny

46 posted on 04/25/2012 12:59:37 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: McGruff

No! NO MORE! Let the kenyan keep it another 4 years. Maybe enough of the right people will get pissed off.

BTW - has anyone even seen any Romney bumper stickers? I live in GA and I have seen ONE.

Let the chips fall where they may. I’m done voting for RINOs.


47 posted on 04/25/2012 1:28:18 PM PDT by Student0165 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Boonie

I agree with all you have said. I was just thinking out loud about some other possible scenarios or outcomes.


48 posted on 04/25/2012 1:55:07 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (We not not inherit the earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Native American P.)
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To: libertarian neocon

They could care less about the desire of some to be more to the right.

We have no impact on them at all.

2008 and 2012 prove this beyond any doubt.


49 posted on 04/25/2012 2:29:54 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I'm with Sarah Palin & Dick Cheney - Anybody but Obama, because it's not always about me.)
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To: TLI

Oh I’m fully expecting him to be a nutjob and to try nutjob stuff like taking over. Where I’m at is that at this point the only thing that will stop the Federal Government monster is the laws of economics itself. Romney won’t stop it, Obama won’t stop it.

The laws of economics will stop it, they have not been repealed. Sooner or later we run out of money to feed it. And the faster we run out the better....

therefore...

GOP congress to starve the beast with no tax increases, while continuing and generous spending and defense budget.

And Obama helps out with the payroll tax cuts and continuing rounds of “stimulus” spending.

And they’re financing it all with monopoly money. so the task for everyone else is to get out of debt, get your minds right about what’s coming and brace for impact. (gold, guns, and a years supply of food in the cellar would be helpful)


50 posted on 04/25/2012 2:56:30 PM PDT by delapaz
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