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I am not Trayvon MArtin
Truth About Bills ^ | 04/27/2012 | Mark Mayberry

Posted on 04/27/2012 1:49:34 PM PDT by Mark Mayberry

 I am not Trayvon Martin

It is the greatest day of the year for a college student.  My exams are done and I am looking ahead toward a summer of relaxation and no homework in sight.  I stopped by my college bookstore today to return my textbooks and noticed a flyer on the student activities bulletin board that said, “We are Trayvon Martin.”

The picture is featured above and is also goes on to state that it was a meeting held by the NAACP on my college campus on April 4th.  Now this flyer got me thinking as I stood in line to return my books and if you have never returned books on the last day of the semester, let me tell you, I had a lot of time to think.

I decided that even though most people want to believe otherwise, most of us are not Trayvon Martin at all.  As a matter of fact, I am nothing like Trayvon nor would I want to be.  It leads me to ponder this question, what does it say about America that so many people think they want to be like Trayvon Martin?

Why I'm not Trayvon Martin

It is very sad anytime something results in the death of a young man but do we not also have to observe the circumstances that caused this death?  There are several reasons that I say I am not Trayvon; I did well in school and was never suspended for drug possession, possessing burglary tools and stolen property. Also my parents never allowed me to walk to the store after dark, I never made a practice of being crass and foul mouthed publically on Twitter and finally I never put myself out to be a member of the criminal element or in more modern words living the “thug life.”  

My parents were fairly strict on me as a child and although I hated it when I was younger, I now understand why they were and it is driven home a little more every time I see a cautionary tale such as this.   I was never in trouble outside of the normal realms of being a bored teenager.  For that reason I never found myself in a strange neighborhood after dark being pursued by a member of  the neighborhood watch.  I would have never dreamed of bringing drugs or stolen property to school mostly because I was raised with a strict code of decency and in my community we were all good people who didn’t take part in such things.  Also the fact that even at the age of seventeen I am fairly sure my father would not have been opposed to snatching me up for such deeds didn’t hurt as a deterrent.

This story involved my parents quite a bit and I didn’t even realize it until I started to frame out the article.  Much of the things that have been unearthed about Trayvon Martim since his death are a result of absent parenting in my opinion.  My father always instilled in me to respect everyone but most of all women.  For that reason I would never issue public Internet statements through various social media sites using disparaging and misogynistic terms.  I was raised in an atmosphere where that was not permitted and if you broke that rule there was a consequence.

From the time I was young my parents both taught me that there was something to be said for hard work and honest living.  My parents, both of whom are successful in their respective fields of employment were great role models to support their claims.  Because of that influence and example I am now on my way to being a successful person in my chosen field and never once have I thought it would be cool to dress in baggy jeans with a hood covering my face.  Not to say that I don’t own any hoodies but the hood is more of a useless addition to the sweatshirt and not to be worn.  I am a firm believer that how you dress sways people’s initial opinion.  I try to dress my best when I am around town and meeting people so I am taken seriously in public.  For the same reason that I assume the guy wearing a badge is a police officer, I also assume the guy walking around with his pants falling down and wearing an oversized hoodie is a criminal.  If you don’t want to be known as a criminal then don’t wear the uniform.

I have no middle finger pictures online nor do I own any gold teeth and although I do have one tattoo it is covered a majority of the time and no one is any the wiser.  The point I am trying to make here is that Trayvon went to great lengths to convince people that he was a thug, living the lifestyle of a ghetto super star and there are consequences to this decision.

If I had to choose, I would say that I am George Zimmerman.  George Zimmerman is a devoted husband who works diligently and does volunteer work with disadvantaged people and at risk youth.  He also volunteered in his neighborhood and most people only have good things to say about him.  Zimmerman has goals and career dreams that he hopes to attain much as I do and because of that I can understand the hard work that goes into pursuing a dream.

Much like Zimmerman I volunteer in my community and do what I can to help out.  Until I moved to Tennessee for school I was a volunteer firefighter and still take part in many activities to help out those less fortunate.

Also I am a concealed weapons permit holder and this is the reason that this case was originally of particular interest to me.  It wasn’t until later when Zimmerman was crucified in the media with lies and omissions that I took up the cause. (Check out my story on the media bias in the Trayvon Martin case.)  Anyone who carries a gun (legally) understands the responsibility and the risk you take in defending your own life.  Because of this I know that unless some new unforeseen evidence surfaces, Zimmerman didn’t shoot Martin on a whim or for kicks, as some would have you to believe.

So I will ask again in closing, are you really Trayvon Martin?  Do you want your kids to be Trayvon Martin?  I for one, try everyday not be Trayvon Martin and to live my life as a productive member of society and a point of pride for my parents not a point of failure.

 



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To: wtc911

Please read my comment #100 - it equally applies to you.


101 posted on 04/28/2012 3:43:36 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: wtc911
What it means is you are two lazy, or too stupid, to do your own research. My information is correct, there are witnesses, one in particular named John, who saw TM attack GZ. It has been on FR in more than one article. It is not my fault you are too damn dense to learn that on your own. GZ is not guilty of murder, 2nd degree or otherwise, he was using his right of self defense to save his own life.

Either you are suffering from white guilt or you are one of Holder's people, meaning a black person who refuses to look at facts and only honors the color of a person's skin.

102 posted on 04/28/2012 3:52:33 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59
My information is correct, there are witnesses, one in particular named John, who saw TM attack GZ.

Maybe. You're speculating. I'll make up my mind about 'John' when he's the witness stand or given a deposition and cross examination.

What did John actually see? How did he interpret what he saw?

I'll wait for the trial before I form my opinion of what happened. There's a couple of things I need to know first.

103 posted on 04/28/2012 3:58:32 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (The Republican Party is bigger than the presidency.)
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To: calex59
Nope...when you state that a witness said that martin followed and attacked zimmerman but then cannot produce any link that supports your claim, all it means is that you lied.

If you had such proof you would be posting it all day long. But none exists. You lie.

104 posted on 04/28/2012 3:58:32 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Gabz
Tell you what...produce any reliable witness statement that describes how the fight started and then give me a call...until then you have no idea...it could have been TM throwing the first punch or it could have been MZ approaching him and showing the gun.

You don't know, do you? So unless you have proof how about you keep your childish name-calling to yourself. I bet you can't.

105 posted on 04/28/2012 4:02:52 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

Speaking of childish.........

Cute.


106 posted on 04/28/2012 4:17:58 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

IOW...you do not know what happened...got it.


107 posted on 04/28/2012 4:24:59 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

Pathetic...............

Poor baby.


108 posted on 04/28/2012 4:28:53 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: DuncanWaring
A person is not allowed to shoot an assailant who is bigger and/or stronger than them if the assailant does not have a gun?

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Your statement presumes that TM assaulted GZ. Exactly how do you know this?

How do you know that GZ didn't approach TM with the gun showing and that TM wasn't fighting to keep him from pulling or using it?

Either scenario could be true and both are plausible.....so....please tell us exactly how you know what happened.

And please don't say, "because the killer said so."

109 posted on 04/28/2012 4:31:00 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Gabz
As I said...you cannot provide any facts. Pretending to be amused doesn't hide that fact.

It is in keeping with your style but it doesn't do anything at all to prove a thing. But don't let that stop you...maybe there's somebody out there who doesn't see through it.

110 posted on 04/28/2012 4:34:11 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

“It is in keeping with your style ......”

You obviously have never paid attention to my works on FR. But that’s fine. I don’t pay attention to yours either.


111 posted on 04/28/2012 4:43:21 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: DuncanWaring

All I am saying is Zimmerman’s story should be questioned. He told LEO Martin pounded his head on concrete. If the medical evidence does not support this, why are all freepers taking his word as gospel? My friends are laughing at the fact I am being painted as an Al Sharpton wannabe. I have voted conservative since 1980 when I was in college. Trust me, I have always been the outsider. I truly believe that BOTH sides have rushed to judgement in this case. There are enough questions to have this go to a preliminary hearing.


112 posted on 04/28/2012 6:12:39 PM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: JD_UTDallas

I’m sorry to hear that, I’ve worked with several ex-boxers and several college football players when I worked in acute rehab. Your story is a classic example of closed brain trauma. I hope you are doing well, I wish you the best. And you are correct, Zimmerman could have signed a waiver, Zimmerman would have had to be alert and orientated times three. (person, place, and time) This is usually not seen in someone who had their head “slammed” into concrete within minutes of LEO arriving on the scene. As to the cuts, well, let’s agree to disagree. Personally, I just want more info. regarding the whole night. Best wishes to you.


113 posted on 04/28/2012 6:33:21 PM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: BLOC77
Well, you can't convict someone without proof. According to the original investigators, the evidence they had was consistent with Zimmerman's story. The DA decided that they didn't have probable cause to arrest Zimmerman. That's why he wasn't charged.

At the bail hearing, the investigator admitted that they had no evidence to refute Zimmerman's claim that he was returning to his truck when Trayvon attacked him. Nor do they have any evidence to prove one way or the other who started the fight.

114 posted on 04/28/2012 6:55:25 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: wtc911
How do you know that GZ didn't approach TM with the gun showing and that TM wasn't fighting to keep him from pulling or using it?

If you are unarmed and someone approaches you, with apparent ill intent and a weapon exposed or drawn, you're going to attack him to disarm him? You're straining credulity here.

There's a lot more physical evidence and witness testimony to support the "Sweet Widdle Twayvon attacked big meanie George Zimmerman" than the converse.

The fact that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin doesn't automatically make everything he says wrong.

You're showing every sign of being one of Rev. Al's "Useful Idiots".

115 posted on 04/28/2012 7:15:45 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BLOC77
All I am saying is Zimmerman’s story should be questioned.

And in Post 81 you suggest that since Sweet Widdle Twayvon didn't have a gun that George Zimmerman should not be allowed to use his.

You also ask "Why does Zimmerman get due process?" Why shouldn't he?

116 posted on 04/28/2012 7:15:59 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BLOC77

>If Zimmerman’s head had been “smashed” into concrete, there would have been severe damage, most likely scull fracture and concussion.

With all due respect, how would you know that? Are you a doctor?

>I saw two small cuts, no stitches, no hospitalization.

Did you examine Zimmerman?

>Untill I see medical records charting severe head trauma and a broken nose

And here you admit to not having seen Zimmerman’s medical records. Shouldn’t you put off judging either way until you seen them?


117 posted on 04/28/2012 7:19:49 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Just because one is famous doesn't mean that they know more than everybody else.)
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To: BLOC77

You are LOST.

I’m not going to waste my effort proving Z innocent due to medical records and will not bother producing them for you.

The subject I hit was you give yourself away, you’re not worthy of debating, by nonsensical statements that T was a 17 yr old and the other guy had the gun.

That right there, shows you up.

Then you do worse...you demand everybody prove everything to you, to demonstrate by links, etc, that Z isn’t the guilty party.

It doesn’t work that way, even though the info we have so far appears to support Z’s account...waiting for further info, and for the trial if one occurs, but so far the info is good for Z.

But the way it works is, Z is innocent of the charge of second degree murder until in a court he is proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Meanwhile, you make a bunch of prejudicial statements that show how lost you are.

Again, it doesn’t matter if T was 17 and Z had a gun...lawful carry by permit, btw...

It only matters what happened. IF, and I said IF, T circled around behind or to the side of Z instead of going home, and if he decked him and got on top and slammed his head into concrete and if the gun possession was part of the struggle, then for Z it was kill or be killed or horribly injured.

The age of the assaulter or whether he was with or without a gun is irrelevant.

That you love to fling those words into the faces of people you disagree with on the case is very telling.

You’ve made your posts as irrelevant as these items you love to feature will be in a court of law.


118 posted on 04/28/2012 7:39:23 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: DuncanWaring
If you are unarmed and someone approaches you, with apparent ill intent and a weapon exposed or drawn, you're going to attack him to disarm him? You're straining credulity here.

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Straining credulity to suggest that a 17 yo would fight to keep from being shot or to fight to keep the stranger who followed him from pulling the gun? What would you do? Beg or fight?

And, no, I do not believe everything that anybody who has just killed somebody says about how it happened.

Show a statement from a reliable witness that corroborates GZ's version and I'll accept it. Got one? If not then it's nothing but CYA.

And what is it about you guys that you can't discuss the unknowns without name-calling? Do you think that doing so somehow makes your speculation more accurate? sad.

119 posted on 04/28/2012 7:49:15 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
>>Show a statement from a reliable witness that corroborates GZ’s version and I'll accept it.<<

According to the investigators, they have no evidence to dispute GZ’s version that he was returning to his truck when T jumped him.

Also, according to the investigators, the available evidence tends to support Z, such as John's statement that Z was on the bottom yelling for help.

Remember, the cops probably had no love for Z, since Z was instrumental in getting a cop's son arrested for beating down a homeless black guy.

120 posted on 04/28/2012 7:57:27 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: wtc911

The old, “do my research for me because I have been too lazy to keep up with the news on the event I am discussing like I know what I am talking about” line. Some Freepers use this tatic, too.

Really, if you had been reading about this case day by day and seen Trayvon’s Tweets, listened to the 9ll tapes, watched the bail hearings, read the evidence released and accounts of people who live around Zimmerman and accounts of witnesses, you would not be “knowing” what you think you know and telling freepers to prove to you what all the sources provided to them. The MSM has put a lot of stuff out that is false in their political game just as they did in the Duke case.

That is what you should do instead of telling everyone to give you the links to all these sources of information you seemed to have missed. Since I listed the sources of information freepers have used to gain their understanding of the case, why not look them up yourself and spend the time necessary to learn what is known about the case so far beyond the story of the race baiters.


121 posted on 04/28/2012 8:15:44 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: JD_UTDallas

I agree with you on everything except for Obama being Arab. Ask FReeper Beckwith on how trustworthy Kenneth lamb is.


122 posted on 04/28/2012 8:36:23 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Just because one is famous doesn't mean that they know more than everybody else.)
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To: txrangerette

All I am saying is show me the evidence that Zimmerman’s head was “smashed” into the concrete. Please calm down, let the process prove or disprove Zimmerman’s claim. I will be the first to admit I was wrong if the evidence shows, how about you?


123 posted on 04/28/2012 9:08:49 PM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: txrangerette

Blind Faith: accepting Zimmerman’s word as the the only truth, indeed the “holy” word. No one should accept this, we are ony asking for more information. Please, that is all that all that I’m asking. Why does that upset so many on this thread? Zimmerman is not a hero, that does not mean he is guilty of second degree murder. It does show that there are questions that need to be addressed. Let’s address these questions. And let’s stop calling names. That serves no useful purpose.


124 posted on 04/28/2012 9:32:36 PM PDT by BLOC77 (bloc07)
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To: Mark Mayberry

Very nicely done!


125 posted on 04/28/2012 9:37:45 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Jacob Kell

Kenya while being Sub Saharan Africa has a large percentage of it’s population that are genetically Arab Zero’s Kenyan father from what others have worked out is almost certainly dark skinned Arab racially, but i digress I wouldn’t trust Kenneth lamb to valet park my car..


126 posted on 04/28/2012 9:46:38 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici")
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To: JD_UTDallas

From what I understand, non Africans in Kenya, including, but not only Arabs, are only about 1% of the population.

> Kenyan father from what others have worked out is almost certainly dark skinned Arab racially,

Who? From what I know, it was Lamb who came up with that notion. From what I heard, Barry’s dad was ethnic Luo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_Sr.

yes, I know it’s wikipedia, but still.

Back to the subject. People should calm down and let the courts handle the matter. Zimmerman may have been wrong, but if he was the courts will find it out.


127 posted on 04/28/2012 10:00:03 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Just because one is famous doesn't mean that they know more than everybody else.)
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To: Jacob Kell

I will have to dig back as to who, I saw it during the whole birth certificate circus earlier this year. Your probably right that all the other people who assert he is Arab might just be quoting Lamb. Your also right in people should let the courts handle the matter this is the essence of our republic Due Process and rule of law. Zimmerman is innocent until such time the prosecution has prove with evidence to a jury of his peers beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman acted and was in the mindset of a malicious act with the intent to kill Martin. Then any only then is this anything but self defence.


128 posted on 04/28/2012 10:09:42 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici")
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To: wtc911

Most people, when someone pulls a gun on them, turn and run the other way.

The grass and water stains on George Zimmerman’s back, as well as at least one other “911” caller, support George Zimmerman’s version of the event.

No, I don’t call you a “Useful Idiot” to make “make my speculation more accurate”. I do it to describe my opinion of you.

You’ve been had.


129 posted on 04/29/2012 7:40:23 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
"Most people, when someone pulls a gun on them, turn and run the other way."

Yeah, it's so easy to outrun a bullet.

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"The grass and water stains on George Zimmerman’s back, as well as at least one other “911” caller, support George Zimmerman’s version of the event."

Sorry, all that shows is that he was getting his ass kicked --- plenty of guys who start shit end up getting a beat down, happens all the time.

And, if you have a link to a witness who says that he/she saw the start of the fight then please post it.

Your insults do absolutely nothing to prove your speculation. They might make you feel good but that's all they accomplish.

130 posted on 04/29/2012 9:35:13 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Aunt Polgara
Sorry but "no evidence to disprove" is not proof. And, a number of freepers have been stating that there are witnesses who say that martin attacked zimmerman --- ask them to provide any link and they can't.

The fact that Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked is only evidence that he was losing, not that he was attacked. I've seen plenty of fights where the guy who started it ended up losing.

Maybe martin did attack zimmerman - but maybe he didn't - it is equally plausuble that martin was fighting to keep the stranger who followed him from pulling the gun or the trigger.

You don't know.

Nobody here knows.

As for your statement that zimmerman was key in getting charges against the cop's son --- please provide a link. I know about the incident but never heard about zimmerman being involved.

131 posted on 04/29/2012 9:45:46 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: SaraJohnson
I have followed this as closely as anybody.

TM's tweets have nothing to do with the incident. Same with GZ's record of violence.

All that counts is who started the fight.

A lot of freepers swear that it has been proven that martin jumped zimmerman. Ask them for proof and all they do is throw insults.

Do you have proof? If you do then please post it.

132 posted on 04/29/2012 9:50:13 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

are you just a blind trayvon supporter?

look at the timeline- Trayvon ws 850 feet from his home

he could have walked home in the time this all happend

instead he hid between buildings and ambushed zimmerman

Zimmerman was doing what he was supposed to be doing as prt of a COMMUNITY WATCH program- i.e. neighbors getting together to help each other WATCH OVER THEIR COMMUNITY

and it is becuse of people burglarizing the place- like (I believe) Trayvon was planning to do.


133 posted on 04/29/2012 9:59:11 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: Mr. K
instead he hid between buildings and ambushed zimmerman

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Please provide a link to any witness statement that says this.

134 posted on 04/29/2012 10:04:15 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

Zimmerman told the 911 operator he lost sight of Martin. He told the cops that as he was returning to the car, Martin jumped him.

Do you have evidence this did not happen? The burden of proof is on the accuser. So where is your proof that Zimmerman is lying about this?


135 posted on 04/29/2012 10:07:01 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: wtc911
you are the one ignoring reality.

TM was in the dark in the rain walking between houses. The phone call to the police confirms this- Zimmerman lost sight of him when he went between buildings.

He could have walked ON the sidewalk 850 feet to his home in the time it took for all this to happen

Zimmerman was there doing what he was supposed to be doing

Trayvon was not - he could have walked straight to the store and back, but he didn't. He made himself suspicious to the COMMUNITY WATCH that Had been set up BECAUSE of all the burglaries

He had a history of being found with burglary tools and women's jewelry that he said he “didnt know” who they belonged to.

ALL the evidence points to trayvon casing the place and zimmerman being attacked.

Yes, I cn see your point that it COULD HAVE happened differently, with zimmerman at fault- but the evidence so far points the other way, and you cannot convict zimmermn on the chance tht MAYBE it happened differently.

136 posted on 04/29/2012 10:19:18 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: BLOC77
Which one was the altar boy, and which one was where he was because his public school didn’t want him??

Hint: the altar boy was the one who would have had a two-year college diploma by now, but for this altercation.

Which one called the police and expected them at any moment, and which one called his girlfriend?

And which one was on his home turf?? Zimmerman was captain of a local community watch. Why was there a community watch? That particular community had had a rash of petty theft, and even a terrifying home invasion. Meaning, if you own a house in that community its value is degraded because nobody wants to be subjected to that. And here we have a case where the community watch captain had a confrontation with a stranger, at night and not walking in a purposeful way passing through to a specific objective.

The government promotes community watch operations as a response to crime and terrorism; “If you see something, say something.” If there had been no issue of different races involved in this altercation, you and I would never have heard of it, tho certainly you would expect that locally it would be cause for interest and concern. But when the watchman was in phone contact with the police about the matter and expecting their imminent arrival, some specific indication of malice would have been required before anyone assumed that the community watchman was guilty of murder.

Throw race in the mix, and if a black community watchman on his own home turf had killed a white or even “white Hispanic” youth while expecting the imminent arrival of the police, no one would bat an eye. Except to wonder what kind of “stupid ray” had induced the white youth to engage in such folly. Is there actually an example of a nonwhite community somewhere which is suffering a rash of larceny and a home invasion by white youths? A white interloper in a black neighborhood at night and acting like he could be casing the joint would be a “Darwin Award” candidate. And I’m not even talking specifically about Louis Farrakhan and that bunch.

Which shows that George Zimmerman has been prejudged. Prejudged by wire service journalism, prejudged by the black community, prejudged by the special prosecutor, and prejudged by the president of the United States. And should expect in due course be prejudged by the Attorney General. When they start broadcasting edited versions of your conversation with a police dispatcher splicing your words to put a racist statement in your mouth . . .

Zimmerman, according to the publicly available evidence (which is supposed to be complete at this point) has a defense, at least as far as facts and logic and the law go, against a murder charge. One which, certainly by the standard that the prosecution bears the burden of proving its case beyond a reasonable doubt, is waterproof. But in the propaganda war he is defenseless; he is being prosecuted by broadcast and print journalism and the black community is his jury. His only real recourse is to go on the attack. His main chance is to sue NBC for broadcasting that edited version of his conversation, which only the terminally naive could think was not malicious libel. And he should sue them for enough money to protect his life and sustain his livelihood, and those of his close relatives, for the rest of his life. And to pay for his criminal defense.

Both tactically and as a public service, he should also name the Associated Press, and all of its members individually, in his lawsuit so to prevent the rest of journalism from being able to protect NBC. He should name them all, and he should allege a RICO conspiracy against him and against the public at large. That would enable him to demand triple damages. This is a case in which there is muscle in the form of a bounty placed on his head by private individuals and groups - KKK style open vigilanteism. Even tho it is basically done openly, it is a racket and should be dealt with in court.

137 posted on 04/29/2012 10:30:19 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: wtc911
Yeah, it's so easy to outrun a bullet.

When someone you perceived to be a threat turns and runs away, it's illegal to shoot them.

Even if it wasn't illegal, hitting a moving target with a pistol is very hard to do without a lot of practice.

Any other cockamamie schemes you'd like to run by me?

138 posted on 04/29/2012 10:50:12 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: wtc911
>>Sorry but “no evidence to disprove” is not proof. And, a number of freepers have been stating that there are witnesses who say that martin attacked zimmerman -— ask them to provide any link and they can't.<<

You are correct that there were no witnesses to the start of the fight. The investigator, Dale Gilbreath, admitted that at Zimmerman's bail hearing. The problem the prosecution has is that THEY have to PROVE Zimmerman guilty. Zimmerman does not have to prove himself innocent.

My own speculation is that both were spooked by the other, and 17 year olds think they can never die. When the two of them got to be face to face (probably by Trayvon accosting Zimmerman) and started a testosterone fueled pissing match, Trayvon thought that Zimmerman was pulling a weapon when Zimmerman went for his phone. Trayvon then sucker punched Zimmerman and Zimmerman shot Trayvon in self-defense. A tragic case all around.

>>As for your statement that zimmerman was key in getting charges against the cop's son -— please provide a link. I know about the incident but never heard about zimmerman being involved.<<

Here's a link. You can find more by googling Zimmerman Sherman Ware (the homeless guy's name).

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-04-20/justice/justice_florida-zimmerman-details_1_robert-zimmerman-sanford-police-lieutenant-homeless-man?_s=PM:JUSTICE

139 posted on 04/29/2012 11:30:14 AM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: Aunt Polgara
Thanks for the link.

There are a number of plausible theories about what happened, but they are just that - theories.

Did GZ approach TM or just 'bump into him' and then show or even reach for his weapon? If he did then TM would have been 100% within his rights under SYG to fight to keep GZ from pulling the gun or the trigger.

There is nothing that proves this but, as some folks here are fond of saying, there is nothing that dis-proves it either. It is just one of many equally plausible scenarios.

I do not think that Zimmerman is any kind of hero or good guy in this. I think he's just a guy who got in over his head and had to shoot his way out.

I don't think that he will go to jail and I don't think that he should have been indicted. But that is because there is a lack of evidence of guilt - not a plethora of evidence of innocence.

I don't care one bit about TM's facebook page or twitter account. I can show you FB pages of rich Jewish or Catholic School kids from LI's Gold Coast that look more gangsta. It's 16/17 yo macho posturing.

And, I don't care one bit about GZ's prior brushes with the law, they were a few years ago and young men grow up.

All that matters is who started this fight...and, in spite of the legions of freepers who claim otherwise, only two people know the answer...the guy who died and the guy who killed him.

Again, thanks for the link.

140 posted on 04/29/2012 12:26:58 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: DuncanWaring
When someone you perceived to be a threat turns and runs away, it's illegal to shoot them.

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And, God knows, strangers with guns who follow you in the night would never do anything illegal.....

What color is the sun on your planet?

141 posted on 04/29/2012 12:30:04 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

All that matters is who started this fight...and, in spite of the legions of freepers who claim otherwise, only two people know the answer...the guy who died and the guy who killed him.


That is right. So far, that is the only evidence in front of the public - Zimmerman’s account of what happened. They can’t let Trayvon’s chest beating mother “testify” differently. She was not there. Al Sharpton was not there and neither was NBC. The prosecutor at the time, decided Zimmerman’s statement on the event matched the evidence collected by police at the scene and in the 911 call and there was no contrary evidence to prosecute.

Seems like freepers are going by what evidence they have seen so far versus flapping lips of race baitors who are looking for a good lynching.

If you have special evidence showing Zimmerman started the fight and is a liar, let us bad freepers in on it. The judge and jury has to look at the evidence and can’t go on how they feel it might have gone down based on the charged statements and manipulations of the press and race baitors.

When the prosecution submits her evidence against Zimmerman, then we can debate the validity that. But currently, I have seen nothing.


142 posted on 04/29/2012 12:44:24 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: wtc911

All that matters is who started this fight...and, in spite of the legions of freepers who claim otherwise, only two people know the answer...the guy who died and the guy who killed him.


That is right. So far, that is the only evidence in front of the public - Zimmerman’s account of what happened. They can’t let Trayvon’s chest beating mother “testify” differently. She was not there. Al Sharpton was not there and neither was NBC. The prosecutor at the time, decided Zimmerman’s statement on the event matched the evidence collected by police at the scene and in the 911 call and there was no contrary evidence to prosecute.

Seems like freepers are going by what evidence they have seen so far versus flapping lips of race baitors who are looking for a good lynching.

If you have special evidence showing Zimmerman started the fight and is a liar, let us bad freepers in on it. The judge and jury has to look at the evidence and can’t go on how they feel it might have gone down based on the charged statements and manipulations of the press and race baitors.

When the prosecution submits her evidence against Zimmerman, then we can debate the validity that. But currently, I have seen nothing.


143 posted on 04/29/2012 12:44:24 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
Zimmerman's CYA statement is the text-book definition of self-serving. I do not take it as gospel truth. And i would not take trayvon's version as gospel truth either if things turned out differently.

When you or any of the other freepers who have written on this and other threads that there are corroborating neutral eye-witness statement(s) that support his claim, can find them, then post them. Heck, if so many of you have seen them it should be easy.

144 posted on 04/29/2012 12:51:35 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
>>All that matters is who started this fight...and, in spite of the legions of freepers who claim otherwise, only two people know the answer...the guy who died and the guy who killed him.<<

For my money the most damning thing against Trayvon was the ABC interview of his friend DeeDee. As I recall, she said that Trayvon said something to the effect: “Why are you following me?” To which George said: “Why are you here?” Then she heard no more conversation and the phone went dead.

It doesn't pass the smell test for me to think that George would have slugged Trayvon. It seems much more plausible that Trayvon would have responded to George's question by punching him.

Also, remember that the original investigators did not find discrepancies between what George said happened and the physical evidence and the earwitnesses. George didn't know what the evidence would find or the witnesses would have heard when he talked to the police, so he would have been on shaky ground if he had started to make things up that could have been disproven.

Also remember that there doesn't seem to be any evidence of George confronting suspicious people before and he did call the cops. If he was planning on doing something illegal, it seems odd that he would have called the cops.

145 posted on 04/29/2012 12:59:56 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: SaraJohnson
That is what you should do instead of telling everyone to give you the links to all these sources of information you seemed to have missed.

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You're right --- I missed the link to the witness who stated that he saw martin jump zimmerman --- and I just can't find it --- Do you know where it is? I bet you don't.

146 posted on 04/29/2012 1:00:43 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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There is one witness that has made a statement to the effect, TM struck GZ from behind knocking him to the ground and etc.. The police and the prosecution have that statement. That witness will not be required to take the stand.

Bingo, if you said George Zimmerman!


147 posted on 04/29/2012 1:11:45 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO, same for RINOs)
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To: wtc911

LOL, you are a piece of work. :)


148 posted on 04/29/2012 1:11:54 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: wtc911

You should have followed the case and then you would know what was written about what witnesses to the police they saw. :)

You can go back through all the earlier threads that you missed and find the reports. Better than making stuff up about Zimmerman’s guilt.


149 posted on 04/29/2012 1:14:42 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: GOYAKLA

A witness saw trayvon on top of Zimmerman.


150 posted on 04/29/2012 1:21:30 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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