Posted on 04/27/2012 1:49:34 PM PDT by Mark Mayberry
The picture is featured above and is also goes on to state that it was a meeting held by the NAACP on my college campus on April 4th. Now this flyer got me thinking as I stood in line to return my books and if you have never returned books on the last day of the semester, let me tell you, I had a lot of time to think.
I decided that even though most people want to believe otherwise, most of us are not Trayvon Martin at all. As a matter of fact, I am nothing like Trayvon nor would I want to be. It leads me to ponder this question, what does it say about America that so many people think they want to be like Trayvon Martin?
My parents were fairly strict on me as a child and although I hated it when I was younger, I now understand why they were and it is driven home a little more every time I see a cautionary tale such as this. I was never in trouble outside of the normal realms of being a bored teenager. For that reason I never found myself in a strange neighborhood after dark being pursued by a member of the neighborhood watch. I would have never dreamed of bringing drugs or stolen property to school mostly because I was raised with a strict code of decency and in my community we were all good people who didn’t take part in such things. Also the fact that even at the age of seventeen I am fairly sure my father would not have been opposed to snatching me up for such deeds didn’t hurt as a deterrent.
This story involved my parents quite a bit and I didn’t even realize it until I started to frame out the article. Much of the things that have been unearthed about Trayvon Martim since his death are a result of absent parenting in my opinion. My father always instilled in me to respect everyone but most of all women. For that reason I would never issue public Internet statements through various social media sites using disparaging and misogynistic terms. I was raised in an atmosphere where that was not permitted and if you broke that rule there was a consequence.
From the time I was young my parents both taught me that there was something to be said for hard work and honest living. My parents, both of whom are successful in their respective fields of employment were great role models to support their claims. Because of that influence and example I am now on my way to being a successful person in my chosen field and never once have I thought it would be cool to dress in baggy jeans with a hood covering my face. Not to say that I don’t own any hoodies but the hood is more of a useless addition to the sweatshirt and not to be worn. I am a firm believer that how you dress sways people’s initial opinion. I try to dress my best when I am around town and meeting people so I am taken seriously in public. For the same reason that I assume the guy wearing a badge is a police officer, I also assume the guy walking around with his pants falling down and wearing an oversized hoodie is a criminal. If you don’t want to be known as a criminal then don’t wear the uniform.
I have no middle finger pictures online nor do I own any gold teeth and although I do have one tattoo it is covered a majority of the time and no one is any the wiser. The point I am trying to make here is that Trayvon went to great lengths to convince people that he was a thug, living the lifestyle of a ghetto super star and there are consequences to this decision.
If I had to choose, I would say that I am George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman is a devoted husband who works diligently and does volunteer work with disadvantaged people and at risk youth. He also volunteered in his neighborhood and most people only have good things to say about him. Zimmerman has goals and career dreams that he hopes to attain much as I do and because of that I can understand the hard work that goes into pursuing a dream.
Much like Zimmerman I volunteer in my community and do what I can to help out. Until I moved to Tennessee for school I was a volunteer firefighter and still take part in many activities to help out those less fortunate.
Also I am a concealed weapons permit holder and this is the reason that this case was originally of particular interest to me. It wasn’t until later when Zimmerman was crucified in the media with lies and omissions that I took up the cause. (Check out my story on the media bias in the Trayvon Martin case.) Anyone who carries a gun (legally) understands the responsibility and the risk you take in defending your own life. Because of this I know that unless some new unforeseen evidence surfaces, Zimmerman didn’t shoot Martin on a whim or for kicks, as some would have you to believe.
So I will ask again in closing, are you really Trayvon Martin? Do you want your kids to be Trayvon Martin? I for one, try everyday not be Trayvon Martin and to live my life as a productive member of society and a point of pride for my parents not a point of failure.
Therefore, whatever it was that the responder told Mr. Z it had no force of law one way or the other. Maybe someone has the facts on this.
Leni
“Isn’t it possible that he thought his life was in danger?”
If so, why was he on the phone with his girlfriend, instead of calling 911? I can guarantee who I’d call if I thought my life was in danger, and it wouldn’t be a girlfriend hundreds of miles away.
Kudos to your parents, and all parents who have taken the time to raise their kids right.
From what I read that is my understanding as well.
We don’t have a videotape of the incident, we don’t absolutely know how Martin and Zimmerman engaged. What we do think we know is that Zimmerman called the police, and Martin did not, tho he had and used a cell phone just before the incident. We also know that Zimmerman had a gun and that Martin was, we are endlessly told, "unarmed.” And the reports from the neighbors were that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman was calling for help. For those who think that it was Martin who called for help, I wonder how they reconcile that theory with the fact that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, until Zimmerman shot him. Passing strange to waste your breath shouting “Help!” when you are winning the fight, and not in your own familiar stomping grounds where people know you and will help you but in conflict with someone who for all you know might have been the owner of the property you had just trespassed on.Zimmerman knew the police would soon be there before the two of them engaged; he had just been told that on the phone. Maybe calling for the police beforehand was just his sneaky way of making it look like he did not plan to shoot Martin? Seems a bit of a stretch to me.
So far as is known, the Zimmerman version of events is not contradicted by any of the neighbors, and since the police were already on the way they had zero time to think about coordinating a lie, so they would have just told the truth.The prosecution has no witnesses who will impeach Zimmerman’s story. And “stand your ground” has nothing to do with what you are allowed to do when someone is trying to bash your head into the cement. Retreat was not an option on the table at that moment. How do you convince a jury of a defendant’s guilt “beyond a reasonable doubt” when the evidence matches up with the defendant’s story and not with your own???
Excellent article on the “girlfriend” stories...there were 3 different recollections of the conversation...
The portion of the phone interview that was released takes just a few seconds to listen to. It was broadcast on ABC’s Young Turks and then on World News with Diane Sawyer. Dee-Dee’s actual words are
“he say this man was watching him so he put his hoodie on. Trayvon say what you are following me for. Then the man say what you doin’ round here. Someone push Trayvon because the headset just fell.” After the first sentence a reporter interpolates: “Suddenly Martin was cornered.”
A different version, though credited to ABC, was broadcast on CNN. This is the interview featured on the Parks and Crump website.
“He was walkin’ fast when he say this man behind him again. He come an say this look like he about to do somethin’ to him. And then Trayvon come an say the man was still behind him and then I come an say run.”
In its printed rendition, ABC provided still a third version:
“He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man. I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run, but he said he was not going to run.”
“Trayvon said, ‘What are you following me for,’ and the man said, ‘What are you doing here.’ Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again, and he didn’t answer the phone.”
The printed ABC version has been edited and cleaned up to emphasize two things: 1) that a frightened Martin was pursued, escaped, and then caught by George Zimmerman and 2) that Zimmerman started the fight.
A few problems with each claim:
We know from Zimmerman’s phone call that Martin was aware of him at most 40 seconds into the call, or by around 7:10. He was shot at about 7:16. From where Zimmerman was standing, it was about 850 feet to the townhouse Martin was staying in. Had he walked fast, the seventeen-year-old could have been back home in less than a minute. There would have been no conversation and no fight.
No guy will admit he’s lost, but Dee-Dee does not report Martin saying anything like “these @#$% buildings all look alike.” If Martin was not disoriented, the only reason he did not return directly to the townhouse was because he chose not to.
As for the final words Dee-Dee reported hearing:
1. They don’t sound anything like the immediate prelude to a fight. Two questions are asked: Why are you following me? and What are you doing here? Without knowing anything about the individuals who asked them, it’s difficult to believe these words would provoke a fight without any further exchanges.
2. Zimmerman had called the police 5 minutes earlier. He expected an officer to arrive at any moment. The last thing he wanted to do is get into a fight with the guy he’s called them about. If he got out of his truck a second time — and this seems to be the key piece of evidence in the prosecutor’s case — common sense says that he was attempting to locate the suspicious stranger so he could point the officer in the right direction.
3. Among the six individuals making 911 calls, at least one reported hearing an argument before the fight broke out. The woman’s account was presented as a rebuttal to the eyewitness who had seen Martin on top, beating Zimmerman. Unfortunately, she had seen nothing. But she did hear loud voices, that of a “man,” deeper and more aggressive, and a quieter “boy.” There was not merely an exchange of questions.
4. What does pushing sound like? Even the media does not insist that the fight began with Zimmerman pushing Martin, though this now seems to be widely believed.
5. If Zimmerman did in fact ask Martin what he was doing here, there was a perfectly good answer: “I happen to be staying with my dad and his girlfriend, a**hole.” And he could have given the address. This was not how Martin responded.
6. You have every right to approach a suspicious stranger walking in your community and ask him what he’s doing there. This is not chasing or stalking. The stranger in this case was 6’ 2” or 6’ 3” and weighed about 160 pounds. It was a little after 7 p.m. in a gated community. If he was simply returning from an errand (though we know now he was not), he had no reason to be frightened. Perhaps the little twelve-year-old in the hoodie might have been scared, but it says something about the veracity of Dee-Dee’s story that it needs this dishonest illustration to make it stick.
So what did happen in the final moments before the fight? According to Zimmerman, he was headed back to his truck for the second time when he was surprised by Martin, who was waiting for him between two buildings. The teenager said, “Do you have a f***ing problem?,” and when Zimmerman replied “no,” said, “You do now,” and decked him. Zimmerman told police that he reached for his cell as he said “no.”
If in fact he was not challenged as he reported — the “do you have a f***ing problem?” being a purely rhetorical question — the possibility exists that Martin thought Zimmerman was reaching for a weapon, and struck him in self-defense. But if Zimmerman is telling the truth, it was he who was waylaid by the teenager, not the other way around, and that Martin’s attack on him was premeditated.
Julison, the spokesman for the Crump law firm, said that there were no plans to release a fuller version of the phone interview with Dee-Dee, and that the girl would not be speaking to the media again. The next time we hear from her, he said, will be in court, if she’s asked to testify.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/dee-dee_trayvon_and_dj.html
Excellent post.....Zimmerman medical records confirm his injuries....Coroner’s report confirm no markings on Trayvon except the gunshot wound. Pretty solid...
Excellent post.....Zimmerman medical records confirm his injuries....Coroner’s report confirm no markings on Trayvon except the gunshot wound. Pretty solid...
17 is plenty old enough to be viewed and judged as an adult. Here in Texas we will give you the needle at 17. Only liberals whine about extending childhood into the 20 's PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY that is what true conservatives live by. By 17 I was serving my country honorably in the armed forces and had 2 semesters of college down as well. I graduated high school at 16 two years early. I most certainly stand by the MAN I was at 17. This No_limit_nigga got what he deserved when he attacked a man smaller in size than him who also had a gun. Who cares if the dispatcher told him no need to follow dispatchers are not law agents and have NO LEGAL AUTHORITY even then he said OK and turned back to his vehicle. He deserved to die for putting the life of another man at risk by beating him to the ground. What is also of importance is that the shell casing was not ejected from the gun, the only way this happens is if the slide is prevented from cycling to full rear. The most common cause of this is someone has there hand over the top of the gun, given that the thug was shot from the front with an upward bullet path this all points to GZ on his back with TM over him with TM hand on the gun. That from this professionals point of view is a good shoot then. I say professional because I was an MP for 2yrs MPI for 2 more and CID for 4 years I know a thing or two about crime scene investigation and ballistics. It is oviouse you are letting emotion rule your thought process but the facts will come out and from the facts released so far it looks like GZ got a good shoot and TM was just a thug who assaulted the wrong armed citizen. If that is true as the facts will eventually prove one way or the other then yeah he did deserve to die for assaulting a smaller man with a fireman
Good grief, the one with a police record was the one holding a gun over a dead seventeen year old kid. Everyone ignores that fact. As to the rest of your post, haven’t you heard about due process? That was not afforded to Martin. Again, the two lead investigators did not believe Zimmermans’s story. I guess the LEO are also partisan hacks. Sorry Zimmerman’s actions are questionable. Still waiting to see the medical records. Zimmerman’s attorney could release them tomorrow, there is no HIPPA conflict. There will be no release of medical records charting severe head and facial injuries becuase no such records exist. Zimmerman is not a hero.
Don’t know what your problem is but you’ve got one.
It makes no difference if he was 17 in terms of what happened.
If he brought this on by jumping Zimmerman and pummeling him and slamming his head down, and the possession of the gun was an issue as well, who gets hold of it and uses it, then it’s kill or be killed.
If this happened to you or yours, it wouldn’t matter to you if the perp was 17 or not, or whether he had a gun or not, or whether you had ever had a run in with police.
None of that matters. All that matters is what happened.
You are heavily into loaded propaganda statements that have nothing to do with anything.
Kids much younger than T have killed, maimed, etc. people much older than themselves. Happens all the time.
Yours is just useless drivel.
It’s called “begging the question”.
The sign of a bad case you’re trying to make good.
Ha! Great graphic!
If he had a son, the son would be wearing Mom jeans! lol The man is dominated by women, and is a wuss.
Love where you put your signature. You just know he had to practice that digital posture. He’s not man enough to do it on his own. ;o)
He is a thug because he started the physical confrontation with Zimmerman with no provacation.
Again, where are the medical records detailing the severe head and facial injuries? Why didn’t his attorney release that with the photo of the the back of his head? Why doesn’t Zimmerman’s history of violence towards LEO and women bother anyone on this thread? Why doesn’t Zimmerman’s sketchy work history bother anyone? Why doesn’t it bother anyone that Zimmerman failed a psych. eval. and was turned down for the police academy? Why the “blind faith” is accepting Zimmermans version of events as gospel? At the bail hearing, the lead prosecutor asked Zimmerman why he gave three different accounts of the events that night, why doesn’t that disturb you? Why does the fact that the two lead homicide detectives did not blelieve Zimmerman’s account of what happened that night bother anyone? And this was before this became a national story; they wanted to arrest him and asked the D.A. for an arrest warrent. So you can hardly claim national media pressure was driving their decisions. I don’t know what happened that night, but I do feel that there is enough evidence to show Zimmerman is a hotheaded wannabe cop with a carry permit. Not a good combo. Sad that the race baiters co-opted this incident. I don’t think race had a thing to do with what happened. Why don’t you keep an open mind as I am being told to do?
Could you please give me a link to the artical that details the witness seeing Martin jump Zimmerman? Don’t bother, there is no such witness. They call this “blind faith.” Everything out of Zimmerman’s is the truth because a dead teenager can’t give his side of the story. Zimmerman is not a hero, stop acting as if we don’t accept Zimmerman’s actions that night society will fall into chaos. If you have a carry permit, you have an obligation to avoid any confrontation. Zimmerman was the one holding all the power that night, not Martin.
The fact that there are different accounts from the girlfriend makes the work of the prosecutors subject to even more scorn. As I understand it, the charges against Zimmerman are based almost exclusively on her recollection of her telephone conversation with Trayvon as this incident was playing out.
That’s a pretty poor foundation to begin with for a murder charge. But if the prosecutors didn’t grill her to a fare thee well before pressing charges, they were derelict in their duty and should be subject themselves to charges, minimally professional liability.
Her unedited statements, articulate as they are, make one wonder what it takes to be an A/B student at their high school, as Trayvon allegedly was. Might being an A/B student require attending school at least one-third of the year?
Trayvon may not have actually punched a bus driver, but he was certainly leading people to believe he punched a bus driver:
As for your severe brain trauma meme I boxed for a number of years and have been TKO and KO in the ring only once suffering a true concussion. Let me be clear you can be knocked completely unconscious and not suffer "brain trauma" or concussion. You are talking out your A$$.
I have 8 years federal law enforcement experience 4 of that has a high level crime scene investigator so yes I am an expert in this field. The evidence released so far clearly shows that Zimmerman was under attack and furthermore that his gun was about to be compromised, your little cute 12yo had his hand on the top of the gun that is why it failed to cycle the round out of the chamber Keltecs are reliable weapons the only way of failure is to have a second set of hands on the weapon. He was not a 17yo kid he was a 6'3" 17yo MAN who attacked a armed man from behind at night. Zimmerman can be heard to say OK to the you do not need to follow him request and turn back to his vehicle that is corroborated by witnesses who then saw 2 men in a struggle with one man on the ground and another on top of him well guess what sunshine the ballistics show that it was Martin on top if the shot would have been down with Zimmerman on top 1 you would have a shell casing ejected at the crime scene and more importantly 2 the bullet path through Martin would be horizontal with the bullet passing in to the ground behind him. Well guess what the bullet went up and through skittles boy and anyone who has professional knowledge of ballistics which I have years of experience with knows that occurs when you are shoot from below not above.
Due process get a grip you are in no position to lecture anyone about constitutional law. As for lead investigators believing him or not that is irrelevant they do not make the decision to prosecute or not they present evidence to the DA and then to a grand jury as to whether someone is to be brought up on charges. The DA takes in to account the evidence as presented by the LEO and the Investigators then has to make that case to a grand jury for a capital crime or in this case the DA went rouge and took the SD route which she will lose. I am waiting to see the toxicology reports on Martin I would bet 100 bucks he not only has marijuana in his system but he was actively high when he was shot.
Let the FACTS come out those supported by evidence not your feelings it does not matter if a single person "believes" Zimmerman what matters in a court of law is fact and evidence can you PROVE he was not acting in self defence, can you prove he had malicious intent which is a requisite for second degree.
Looking in to Zimmermans background this guy is a community leader at the request of his community they made him the captain of the watch, well respected, by all races. He welcomed Blacks in to his home, doing charity work with underprivileged Black children and is part Black himself as much or more so in percentage than our "dear leader" who is only 5-7% Black and 45% arab. His "violent" past he pushed a UNDERCOVER cop who was trying to man handle one of his friends; turns out later that he was trying to arrest one of his friends but in a dark club all Zimmerman saw was his younger and weaker friend getting man handled and came to his aide, we are seeing a pattern here Zimmerman is a protector, a giver and a nurturer. His domestic incidencs were such that his partner also got a TRO put in her, as any law enforcement officers knows when mutual TRO's are granted then both parties got physical and Zimmerman could have been defending himself against a violent girl friend. Believe me I know how fired up Latina women can get I still have a chunk of pencil lead in my arm after being stabbed by a former Latina girlfriend. Again these incidence were years ago , so much so they had no bearing on his issuance of a CCW permit. Get a grip and wait for all the FACTS to come out in the trial.
So this is the evidence that Trayvon punched a bus driver? Holy crap, this would not even be allowed into a court of law and rightly so. He was a young kid mouthing off on the internet. Surprise, surprise. Meanwhile, Zimmerman who assaulted a undercover LEO is given a total pass on this thread and on Freerepublic. As a long term lurker, I am disheartened by the rush to judgement on the right. Trust me on this, as a medical professional, Zimmerman would have severe head injuries if his head had been “slammed” into a concrete pavement. Most likely, he would still exhibit secondary side effects which would lead to visible physical and cognitive issues. I have not see any evidence of this and if I have missed this, please let me know.
If you were actually a “medical professional” you would know not to make any diagnosis of somebody without actually examining them. You also, unless you are also a “legal professional”, have know clue what would be allowed into a court of law.
Just because you watch Law and Order doesn’t make you an expert.
It would be nice if you quit making things up.
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