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The NBA Math on a Third Party Effort for Conservatives
PolitiJim.com ^ | 5/1/2012 | PolitiJim (@politiJim)

Posted on 05/01/2012 2:35:22 PM PDT by rightjb

WeAreThe60PercentNoGOP

UPDATE: A PolitiJim reader named Georgia (AllToJesus) sent me a link to a wonderful post by writer Ted Lacksonen at the Country Thinker. 

Thinker lays out a case that we should not vote for Romney because:

Lacksonen’s ultimate solution is to join Libertarian Gary Johnson as President who I understand is selecting a pro-marijuana VP. (sarcasm alert ahead) Undoubtedly this will attract every last Santorum supporter that just split the conservative movement over supposed religiosity.  Of course, Johnson’s platform isn’t all bad, but Libertarian party people need to think this through a bit more.  My response to Ted quickly followed by the MECHANICS of a long term strategy I think could be employed.

Ted, I can't say that I can't identify with all of them because I do.

Your points are so well made, I'm holding up a post on the same object to address and "flesh out" more of the thinking around your points.

I have a question for you.  Let's say you are realize that professional basketball has bastardized the game that the founding father of basketball – Naismith  -envisioned.  Get rid of the shot clock, 20 fouls a game and 4 step dribbling without a call. 

http://www.politijim.com/2012/05/strategy-for-sixty-percent-that-dont.html

(Excerpt) Read more at politijim.com ...


TOPICS: Politics
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1 posted on 05/01/2012 2:35:34 PM PDT by rightjb
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To: rightjb

The math doesn’t really matter. Romney can’t win but that doesn’t mean we can’t send a strong message to the Grand Old Plantation in the process.

My biggest concern is that enough 3rd party and write in voters get to the polls and help save the down ticket races.


2 posted on 05/01/2012 2:41:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: rightjb

I would not vote for the Liberaltarian Pervert Party anymore than I would vote for Mittens or Barack Hussein Obama


3 posted on 05/01/2012 2:44:59 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: rightjb
“Third Party” really worked in 1992.Twenty percent of the popular vote.Zero point zero zero zero zero percent of the Electoral Vote.Yes,it worked very well indeed.....for the nation's *first* black President.

Let's see how well it works for the *second* one.It sure worked well for his good pal from their Chicago punk days,that pal being Deval "Coupe Deval" Patrick who won reelection in 2010 as Massachusetts Governor with 48% of the vote.You see,Coupe Deval convinced a fellow Rat office holder,Tim Cahill,to pretend to leave the Rat Party and then run to Coupe Deval's right.Result...Republican candidate->45% of the vote...Rat plant->7% of the vote...filthy Marxist pal of Osama Obama->48% of the vote.

4 posted on 05/01/2012 2:48:57 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Scores of trillions of debt from both parties. It a one party system of two Socialist, spendaholic, corrupt parties. Feel free to pee into the wind. It is time for a true second party. Two Socialist parties are a disaster.


5 posted on 05/01/2012 3:19:06 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: rightjb

My faith will not allow me to vote for a pro choice candidate regardless of consequence. There are many more like me. I predict that Mitt will fail. Too bad so sad.


6 posted on 05/01/2012 3:24:36 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: Gay State Conservative
“Third Party” really worked in 1992.Twenty percent of the popular vote.Zero point zero zero zero zero percent of the Electoral Vote.Yes,it worked very well indeed.....for the nation's *first* black President.

This is a re-election campaign for Hussein. Re-election campaigns are referendums on the President. Conservative anger with Obama far outweighs the queasiness most have with Romney. 90%+ of conservatives will be voting for Willard. All this 3rd party and write-in talk is just bluster and pouting. LOL, conservatives are not going to vote for Gary Johnson. Nor are more than a tiny faction going to vote for the Constitution party. The campaign is going to be brutal and all the conservative leaders including Rush, Levin, Palin, Newt, Hannity, Bolton, etc, etc, are going to make sure conservative turnout is high for the Republican nominee.

7 posted on 05/01/2012 3:37:24 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

Vote for Goode or vote for evil.


8 posted on 05/01/2012 3:46:57 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Vote for Goode or vote for evil.

Nah, I want my vote to at actually matter and at least have a chance of driving Hussein from office. The Constitution Party will be the same footnote it always is. I don't even think they are on the ballot in a lot of states.

9 posted on 05/01/2012 4:04:07 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Manic_Episode

“My faith will not allow me to vote for a pro choice candidate regardless of consequence.”

You wear the cloak of martyrdom well. Keep digging the hole deeper and you will never get what you want just help exterminate a county.


10 posted on 05/01/2012 4:12:17 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Longbow1969

That’s your choice to vote for a Socialist.


11 posted on 05/01/2012 4:23:12 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: GeronL

Virgil Goode, the Constitution Party candidate for the presidency, often described as America’s largest 3rd party, is a lifelong pro-life conservative with 100% ratings to prove it.

Check it out for yourself at http://www.constitutionparty.org


12 posted on 05/01/2012 4:53:59 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: Gay State Conservative

Looks like Virgil Goode will try to play the hack from Quincy role this time around.


13 posted on 05/01/2012 4:55:25 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Longbow1969

They were on the ballot in 43 states last cycle, iirc.

It’s not like California, New York, Mass, etc. are going to go for Romney.

In fact, GW Bush needed to be on the ballot in only 30 states to win the year 2000 election.

Any conservative counting on electoral votes from West Coast, Northeast, or Great Lakes states is insane.


14 posted on 05/01/2012 4:59:32 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: xzins

That would be brilliant. This way your opponent could concentrate all of their resources in the few states you run in. In football they call this four and out.


15 posted on 05/01/2012 5:06:03 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Gay State Conservative
anyone that would do anything that allows bamey to stay in office is unpatriotic and must hate his fellow Americans...

we have a chance with Romney....he could very well sweep the nation....

I hope he does...

get rid of bamey and get rid of holder....

what is wrong with some of you......WE HAVE NO CHOICE!

16 posted on 05/01/2012 5:09:23 PM PDT by cherry
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To: gusty

They really do that, by the way. They don’t spend money in states they’re going to lose. It’s the same principle; work the states you have a chance in.

For the republican’s it’s only complicated by the fact that they are also on the ballot. So, reluctantly, they traipse out to Calif every now and then to have a fund-raiser.

You realize, of course, that Romney won’t win Massachusetts, don’t you? (One of his multiple “home” states.)


17 posted on 05/01/2012 5:11:43 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: xzins
They were on the ballot in 43 states last cycle, iirc.

In 2008 they were on the ballot in 37 states according to the Constitution Party Press Kit. In 2000 41 states, and in 2004 36 states. The Constitution Party also had the endorsement of Ron Paul in 2008 and still only won .15% of the vote. The Constitution Party is going to get less (probably far less) than 1% of the vote like always.

18 posted on 05/01/2012 5:14:17 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: xzins
For the republican’s it’s only complicated by the fact that they are also on the ballot. So, reluctantly, they traipse out to Calif every now and then to have a fund-raiser.

LOL, true. I seem to remember the Bush campaign in 2000 or 2004 pretending to believe they could win California. I think maybe they were just trying to get the Dems to spend money out there. Sometimes the GOP tries this tactic in NJ too. Pennsylvania always seems like it might be in reach, but then the dream comes crashing down on election day. The reality is states like California are probably never going to vote for the Republican candidate for President again in any of our lifetimes. That state is just too far gone and now beyond saving.

19 posted on 05/01/2012 5:20:44 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Manic_Episode
will your faith allow for sharia law to become the law of the land?...killing women and young girls?.

..will your faith allow you to usher in massive attacks on whites by blacks?..

..maybe your faith is just willing to have WW3 roll around, since the world's nations are at each others throats....maybe we'll get a billion or two killed off....

at least with abortion, which is an individual decision,one can address it one on one, by prayer, by supporting these young women,by providing maternity and baby items, like I've done...

you really think Jesus wants YOU deciding which people live and which people die?......

its absolutely sick that some of you would have obamey again....

I shudder what is going to happen, and how quickly.....

20 posted on 05/01/2012 5:23:39 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Longbow1969
The Constitution Party is going to get less (probably far less) than 1% of the vote like always

Check with me in November. I believe a number of conservatives will join them this time. The Republican Party is gone and is not salvageable.

21 posted on 05/01/2012 5:46:01 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: xzins
Check with me in November. I believe a number of conservatives will join them this time.

Nah, conservatives will overwhelmingly turn out to vote for the only candidate that can beat Hussein. The GOP could have nominated a garden slug and it would get 90%+ of the conservative vote. Also, the Perot disaster is still too fresh in conservative leaders minds. They know a 3rd party on the right only helps Hussein win. Folks like Levin, Palin, Rush, etc, will reinforce this throughout the campaign.

The Republican Party is gone and is not salvageable.

Geeze, we just elected lots of Tea Party backed Republicans in 2010 to the House and at the local/state level. For a variety of reasons we didn't manage to get a good conservative nominated for President, and so many of you people are ready to give up and pout through the 2012 election. Pushing the GOP to the right is going to take many years. It will require a generation of conservative activists joining the party, actually participating in events, going to meetings, bringing in like-minded friends and family, etc. It isn't a 1, 2, 3 or even 4 cycle process.

I guess we will have to wait till November to know for sure, but I'd bet you the Constitution Party gets no higher percentage of the vote (.15%) than they did last time around. People know by now that 3rd party's only act as spoilers in the US, the vast majority of people that vote aren't willing to waste their ballot that way.

22 posted on 05/01/2012 6:46:19 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: cherry; A Strict Constructionist
I would refer you both to our beloved founder:

"I will not go to my maker with the blood of millions of innocent unborn children on my hands or vote for a man who would willingly and wantonly deprive me or my children of our God given liberty. I will not vote for or support a man with an abortionist/liberal/progressive/statist record like Mitt Romney's. Period!! I do not tremble in fear of Marxist clowns!! I place my faith in GOD and the decent liberty loving people in America!!"

Jim Robinson

23 posted on 05/01/2012 7:31:42 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: Longbow1969
It will require a generation of conservative activists joining the party, actually participating in events, going to meetings, bringing in like-minded friends and family, etc. It isn't a 1, 2, 3 or even 4 cycle process.

Sorry, Longbow. Been there, done that, it doesn't work. The rules are written by and controlled by the liberal wing of the GOP-e. Everyone knows that.

Log Cabins have more say in that party than do conservatives.

The Tea Party, if you recall, received enormous opposition by the GOP-E. They refused support for Angle in Nevada, for O'Connell in Delaware, and were aghast nationwide.

As it turns out, the Tea Party was interested in finances, and it had front stage only as long as the gop-e media decided to give it front stage.

The republican party is owned lock,stock, and barrel by the GOP-E, otherwise known as liberal republicans.

24 posted on 05/02/2012 5:02:21 AM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: Manic_Episode

I think we agree on purpose but not on tactics. Your and Old Testament kind of guy where I think you have to win the hearts and minds of people to change them. I have always believed that “ go ye therefore and teach all nations” does not translate into legislate all actions for people. We will loose some and God will judge. Your methodology of daring me to respond because of Jim Robinson’s statement of principle tells me a lot about you. As I said I don’t think we disagree on desired outcome just in the methodology and our interpretation of the Constitution of the United States. We can’t say that the path we follow is the one God chooses for us to follow we just have to believe it is the correct one as we don’t always understand his reasons.


25 posted on 05/02/2012 2:43:27 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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