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Three Bug Out Considerations You Probably Havenít Considered
:earn How to Prepare ^ | 5/11/12 | Jonathan G.

Posted on 05/11/2012 9:21:41 PM PDT by Kartographer

For most preppers, the action plan for a TEOTWAWKI scenario can be neatly categorized into basically one of two categories: Bug in or Bug out. Many people live in rural areas with sufficient security and provisions to be able to go to ground in the event of a disaster and ride out the storm. “Sufficient” security might include bunkers, shooters, stockpiles of ammunition and weapons, spare parts, etc. “Sufficient” provisions might be enough food to get the defense force and extended family of the principal through to the harvest, and enough seeds to ensure that the harvest will feed the crew indefinitely. For many rural preppers, this scenario is an attainable goal. For many urban preppers, however, this goal could never be realistically accomplished. For that reason, we have to consider the possibility of bugging out. There are some relatively standard considerations that almost anybody with a functional brain housing group would think through prior to bugging out. Where am I going to get fuel? What type of vehicle do I need? How much food and water should I be taking with me? Where am I going? These are the basics of bugging out, and many of the conversations I see around the topic within the forums are geared towards that end. These are great considerations, and they need to be considered as a bare minimum before attempting a bug out. But, having experienced moving through combat zones for most of my adult life, I’d like to offer some other considerations that may not be so obvious.

(Excerpt) Read more at learnhowtobeprepared.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: preparedness; preppers
Food for thought.
1 posted on 05/11/2012 9:21:43 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!


2 posted on 05/11/2012 9:23:08 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I prepped for years and years, owned an emergency supply store, still have many #10 cans, several generators, solar power, a bug-out vehicle, weapons and various supplies. But I’m burned out now and lost the desire to survive in what we be for most of us impossible conditions (if it lasted more than a short time). More power to those of you who can continue the fight.


3 posted on 05/11/2012 9:35:23 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: steve86

Let me know if you want to divest yourself of any of those assets.


4 posted on 05/11/2012 9:36:38 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer, but when it is, it’s the only answer.)
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To: Kartographer

What was used before vehicles? Horses and bicycles. If you are near a river or the coast, think about boats.


5 posted on 05/11/2012 9:39:13 PM PDT by Kirkwood (It's not a lie. It's a composite.)
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To: Kartographer

Considering there’s very little public lands these days, caches every mile or even a day’s distance is near to impossible. If I see someone digging and stashing something on my property, well, it wouldn’t be pretty.

To be honest, how many of us would make it more than a couple hours from home before passing out and calling it quits. I know I wouldn’t get far on foot and I can’t imagine anywhere else could be any better than right here. If nothing else, I have water and shelter.


6 posted on 05/11/2012 9:46:13 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Lurker

Well, if it weren’t for a relative who is a single mother with six little kids just divorcing after DV and other incidents I would consider doing that. She’s gonna need them and will keep up the fight longer than I. But if I find some completely redundant stuff I will let you know.


7 posted on 05/11/2012 9:53:35 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Kartographer

8 posted on 05/11/2012 10:03:50 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Kirkwood

If it gets to be bug-out time and you see a horse, better take a picture!

Might be the last time in your life you ever see a horse...
Well. once in a while after that you might see horse jerky, but probably never again a living, breathing horse!


9 posted on 05/11/2012 10:12:11 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kartographer
"Three Bug Out Considerations You Probably Haven’t Considered"

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...meets

The fate of "Bobby" in "Deliverance."


10 posted on 05/11/2012 10:20:20 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Kartographer

For me, bugging in is much safer - low profile, good security.


11 posted on 05/11/2012 10:47:38 PM PDT by Marcella (Romney: for Abortion, homosexuality, same sex marriage - No to Romney)
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To: Kartographer
If u live in the city and own a Chevy Volt u don't have to worry about anything!

Come on People!..get with the program!!!

12 posted on 05/11/2012 11:45:56 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: steve86

‘lost the desire to survive’-—————

But if you were actually in a situation where the urge to survive were present, I think you might be surprised how much your desire to survive improves.

And you are ahead of the game of many already.


13 posted on 05/12/2012 4:08:01 AM PDT by Freddd (No PA Engineers)
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To: Freddd

I’m a prepper, but I grow weary of these “Expert Rambos” talking about running to the wilderness in the event of trouble. If one TRULY believes in TEOTWAWKI, move today. Go live in the woods and prepare for the hoards that you believe will decend upon you.

I think a rational approach is to have (a) a good supply of food that is rotated and consumed regularly. (b) a nice selection of guns that are used and cleaned regularly. (c) a few thousand rounds of ammo. (d) a nice swimming pool to store a few thousand gallons of water (and to enjoy in case the world doesn’t come to an end tomorrow. (e) a shit load of gold and silver that you can pass on to your grandchildren....in case the world doesn’t come to an end. They’re gonna need the money to dig out of the debt we have burdened them with.


14 posted on 05/12/2012 4:26:58 AM PDT by Fred911 (YOU GET WHAT YOU ACCEPT)
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To: Kartographer
Why You Can't Ignore The Fiscal Cliff (The Hit Is Coming)
15 posted on 05/12/2012 5:06:29 AM PDT by blam
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To: Kartographer
Second, we are assuming that the domestic security situation has degraded to the point that the police are no longer capable of providing safety and order (if they ever were capable to begin with).

What worries me is not that the police/military will be patrolling and providing a moderate level of security or that they will disappear and be out of action. My concern is that the police will be completely out of the picture in terms of providing security but still attempting to enforce the law after any zombie/citizen encounters. I really don't want to have to go into a court and justify - George Zimmerman style - every decision I might have to make under pressure.

16 posted on 05/12/2012 5:12:18 AM PDT by Pollster1 (¬ďA boy becomes a man when a man is needed.¬Ē - John Steinbeck)
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To: Pollster1

” My concern is that the police will be completely out of the picture in terms of providing security but still attempting to enforce the law after any zombie/citizen encounters “

A greater concern is that the police will be coopted into enforcing the draconian, irrational, edicts of governmental bodies which are only interested in governmental survival, to the detriment of the peons...

Post-Katrina New Orleans is an object lesson for us, on so many levels...


17 posted on 05/12/2012 6:09:01 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Kartographer
the police are no longer capable of providing safety and order

They can't do that now.

Once you get beyond traffic control and protecting politicians you are on your own.

The police are primarily trained and equipped to deal with the aftermath of crimes - not to prevent them or to keep the peace.

For the most part we are already on the honor system. Anytime in our recent history there has been a riot or mass uprising the police have been overwhelmed, Just think about the Watts riots but a million times larger.


18 posted on 05/12/2012 6:54:50 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: Kartographer
The article mentions the possibility of caching supplies for use while traveling.

If you're contemplating this possibility, there's a lot of info in "TC 31-29/A Special Forces Caching Techniques".

19 posted on 05/12/2012 7:50:56 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Freddd
But if you were actually in a situation where the urge to survive were present, I think you might be surprised how much your desire to survive improves.

You might be right. 18 months ago I was in the ER choking on something and the will to live suddenly blossomed full bloom!!!

20 posted on 05/12/2012 9:43:59 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: steve86

I hear ya and I know what you mean. I also don’t care to deal with what may come. But I also realize that last breath is not given up happily. I don’t know if you have ever been truly cold or truly hungry. I have. YOur brain changes. You become simple. You no longer care about ideals, principles, and politics or the future. There is no “we”. There is only “you”. You are like a lizard then. You only require food in and poop out and that is your entire purpose in the universe.

So, to me the purpose of “prepping” is to prevent myself from turning into that lizard even in the worst conditions. I want to maintain my humanity even while others around me are turning into lizards...even if it means I must kill lizards that were once humans.


21 posted on 05/12/2012 3:46:01 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: DuncanWaring
Here is another manual that goes hand-in-hand with caching:

US Army Survival manual

Sign in to the site with a throw-away email addy, or sign up, then download.

22 posted on 05/12/2012 4:05:54 PM PDT by Sarajevo (http://rulesoftheinternet.com/index.php?title=Main_Page)
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To: Sarajevo

That looks a lot like FM 21-76. I’ve seen that for sale at regular bookstores.

Since one would want a hard-copy anyways, buy one there and pay cash...


23 posted on 05/12/2012 5:00:28 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: bgill
To be honest, how many of us would make it more than a couple hours from home before passing out and calling it quits.

Yeah, most people reading that probably think you're a wimp but I can relate. No problem for me to hike or bike on a level surface or normal road hills but last year I spent a couple hours trampsing in Arroyo country out west -- steep gulleys, rocky outcroppings and uneven dry creek beds. Two hours pretty much did me in. I was starting to get worried about getting back to the truck before dark or at all especially without much water on me. I have a new found respect for cross-country travel and carry a 2m ham transceiver now on similar adventures. Those places are the same ones where cell coverage is non-existent.

24 posted on 05/12/2012 11:46:05 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: steve86
I'm with you.....this culture of ours makes me not want to be part of any of it....but....

I have children...grandchildren...nieces with new babies...nephews...sister...brothers...

eventually families will become more and more important AGAIN and churches enrich more people thru fellowship...communities will come together, because they have too....

25 posted on 05/14/2012 10:55:36 PM PDT by cherry
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To: mamelukesabre

I would start organizing a resistance cell and then take aim at fixing the problem that created the disaster which is most likely from a political mistake.

If one does not desire to lead then find a person or a group willing to be shoved up front to incite fervor of retaking control of the country.

Actually its appears to me the best solution is to form a state militia, create a food warehouse, all those that receive from the food warehouse must participate in the militia be it a dishwasher or logistics or as a soldier.

If we don’t organize the bad guys will just group up and take away your fruits of success like grasshoppers taking from the ants.

Fortunately for me I have Sarah Palin who lives just down the road from me so I know who I would call first when the SHTF.


26 posted on 05/14/2012 11:07:49 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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