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Donít talk to your neighbors without reading this!
The Survivalist Blog ^ | 5/16/12 | M.D. Creekmore

Posted on 05/16/2012 8:57:52 AM PDT by Kartographer

The problem with approaching neighbors (with whom you have varying levels of familiarity) and/or total strangers nearby, is that the likelihood that you will actually convince these people to make serious efforts to prep is, unfortunately, small. The unemployment rate may be awful and European economies may teetering be on the verge of a collapse that will start a domino effect, but the average American is more interested in keeping track of who is ahead on “Dancing with the Stars.” These types are sometimes referred to as ”sheeple,” and they comprise the great mass of the American population.

So what happens if you fail to produce any changes in your neighbors’ preparedness level? Well, frankly, you have made it very obvious to everyone around you that your house is the neighborhood “supply depo.t” When an emergency occurs, your unprepared neighbors will view you as their source when they need anything if the emergency becomes very prolonged.

Even if nothing worse occurs, can you imagine the chants of “Hoarder! Hoarder!” from those standing on the street in front of your house? From their perspective, a hoarder would be anyone who was wise enough to put aside anything for hard times which they now want to share (in essence, a socialist mentality on steroids).

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If you look through most any of the Preparedness threads here on FR you will find examples of the two types of people warned about in this article, the “I’ve got lots of guns and plenty of ammo and I’ll just take what I need.” and the “I don’t prep because I don’t believe anything is going to happen, but if it does preppers should share with me.”

Anyone reading these peoples post can easily pick-up the anger in many of them and you will see that it’s not just the Libs that are shocked and infuriated by preppers. Now some the “I’ll take what I want crowd” when confronted will often back off saying things like “I was just joking”, but I don’t believe it. When I read their post I can’t help but think of this quote from one of my favorite westerns ’Open Range’: “Most times a man will tell you his bad intentions if you listen, let yourself hear.” I’ve ‘heard’ their intentions and they aren’t good.

The third type that I warn about, but which are not discussed in the article are those who wish to bring God’s Armageddon into the discussion as if they know that it will be God’s will should some catastrophe befall us. They claim this despite the fact that the history of man is full of direr times which were caused by nature or man himself. History has shown us all too well that men do not need God to help them muck things up to a point were their fellows cry out for God to end it all and relieve them of their misery.

There will be many in this ‘its God’s will’ crowd who will want to see you punished as they will see your prepping as you trying to dodging God’s punishment. This group along with the “I don’t prep, but you should share” group will be among the first to report you and your ‘hoarding’ to the powers that be in their efforts to make sure you too suffer just as they do. The first group because as I said they see you as trying to escape the rightful wrath of God (as if they know the Lord’s mind) and the second because you proved them wrong.

You can be fairly certain that all three groups will hate you as they will be quick to blame you for the ‘troubles’ because in their twisted way of thinking your prepping brought the ‘troubles’ and therefore you need to be punished for your transgression.

As the article points out you need to keep in mind that OPSEC is not just for your Lib neighbors many people that you may think of as being conservative thinkers will be just as dangerous.

We have talked a lot about safety in numbers and that is so true, just remember that not all enemies sail under their true colors.

Beware these people listen to their words carefully and “Listen, let yourself hear.” what they are saying.

1 posted on 05/16/2012 8:57:55 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!


2 posted on 05/16/2012 9:00:41 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

My neighbor and I share storage space.


3 posted on 05/16/2012 9:04:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Kartographer

Went to Wal-Mart this morning to check out the “prepper foods.” If I can find them, so can my neighbors. Looks like nobody buys anything locallly but the milk additives. And I think I can get by without any Spiff-E-Whip.


4 posted on 05/16/2012 9:05:01 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Kartographer

Oh, I had a liberal “hoarding” money in a 401k when Obama was elected, and I told him that he was a hypocrite, and that I was betting against the markets supporting his 401K because Obama was going to trash all that ultimately. He looked at me and gave me a hypocrite capitalist lesson in the needs to save money, all the while attacking capitalists at the DNC and french kissing communists there.

Folkes in AMerica need to take their heads out of their a$$es.


5 posted on 05/16/2012 9:05:14 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Kartographer

“can you imagine the chants of “Hoarder! Hoarder!” from those standing on the street in front of your house? “

I hear that everyday


6 posted on 05/16/2012 9:06:19 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (We are the 53%. 47% of Americans pay no taxes; end the free ride...)
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To: Kartographer

I’ve also seen “type 3” justifying their opposition to pre-trib rapture with “why should we escape God’s wrath when the rest of the world is going to suffer”.

Another observation:
When I broached the prepping/collapse subject with my lib-in-law (whom we’ve already decided we’re taking in post-SHiFT despite her libness),
her response was “well, then, we’ll all be in the same boat”.

I really couldn’t get any further clarification out of her as to why this was a “good thing”, or even an answer as to why she (and we, and everyone else) shouldn’t be prepared for it.


7 posted on 05/16/2012 9:06:27 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Kartographer
can you imagine the chants of “Hoarder! Hoarder!” from those standing on the street in front of your house?

Would be followed quickly by the sounds of chambers being loaded and safety catches being switched to the "off" position. Anyone who fails to pay heed to that may well end up as part of the food supply.

8 posted on 05/16/2012 9:12:37 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Kartographer
Rules require this be posted anytime the subject of sharing info about your preps arises:


9 posted on 05/16/2012 9:13:12 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If you want total security, go to prison. The only thing lacking is freedom - Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: Iron Munro

Twilight Zone - The Shelter

Part One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuj2yuoC3PY

Part Two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU7v1Cs-Bc4

Part Three
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSwrIy4IwoU


10 posted on 05/16/2012 9:16:06 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kartographer
I'm back in the neighborhood that I grew up in, and have known all of my neighbors except a few for decades. We all have our specialties, and not much will change here if there is a severe economic downturn.

There are advantages to being semi-rural and knowing all the neighbors for that long.

/johnny

11 posted on 05/16/2012 9:17:22 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

You just have to give them a big ol’ wolfish grin, look them up and down and say that you are open to exploring all manner of maintaining your daily protein requirements.


12 posted on 05/16/2012 9:17:50 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Where do you hear it?


13 posted on 05/16/2012 9:18:08 AM PDT by Ray54
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To: MrB

[ Even if nothing worse occurs, can you imagine the chants of “Hoarder! Hoarder!” from those standing on the street in front of your house? From their perspective, a hoarder would be anyone who was wise enough to put aside anything for hard times which they now want to share (in essence, a socialist mentality on steroids). ]

What is worse is when martial law breaks out and they give a deadline that really is a “deadline” for turning in your prepper food supplies. Then they go into every house and if they find any food in your house they WILL shoot you in the back of the head in your OWN backyard and if you are lucky they will bury you there, if you are not lucky the animals will eat you.

It is best to have two caches of food, one in the main pantry that can be “given up” and another hidden very very well than can be used to supplement the slop that they will be serving in the “government food lines”.

Although you should not eat very much of your own food, if everyone else is subsisting and you are thriving it will cast suspicion on you and “bullet to the back of the head” after they find the 500 cans of pork and beans you hid in the walls of your house.

This is assuming they have disarmed everyone before declaring martial law.


14 posted on 05/16/2012 9:18:49 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Lurker

[ can you imagine the chants of “Hoarder! Hoarder!” from those standing on the street in front of your house?

Would be followed quickly by the sounds of chambers being loaded and safety catches being switched to the “off” position. Anyone who fails to pay heed to that may well end up as part of the food supply. ]

You may want to run that “additonal protein” through several chains of unreleated animal species before consuming it. I recommend grubs/maggots -> chickens ...

You wouldn’t want to catch “mad lib” disease.


15 posted on 05/16/2012 9:23:59 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG
It is best to have two caches of food, one in the main pantry that can be “given up” and another hidden very very well than can be used to supplement the slop that they will be serving in the “government food lines”.

I've been saying this for a while. You need some "giveaway" supplies and your deeper stores to be separate so that when the confiscators come by, give up the former and replenish it with the latter.

Same with firearms. A cheap pistol and a shotgun for giving to the confiscators, and keep your "good stuff" hidden better.

16 posted on 05/16/2012 9:24:11 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Kartographer
Sad but true article. If things truly go septic, then many people are going to die, and trying to save everyone will simply result in saving no one at all, including yourself.

can you add me to the prepper list please.

Regards,

Cope

17 posted on 05/16/2012 9:27:19 AM PDT by Copenhagen Smile
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To: MrB
You need some "giveaway" supplies

A smart man wouldn't want to eat food that I was forced to give away.

/johnny

18 posted on 05/16/2012 9:29:12 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Indeed, there IS that...


19 posted on 05/16/2012 9:32:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Kartographer

Interesting.

I had actually thought of starting a little business of encouraging other single women to do some prepping, but some of these same considerations—not trusting my neighbors—has made me hesitate.

A few years ago we got hit hard by a huge multi-day blizzard, very uncharacteristic for our area in the mid-atlantic region, and some people were stranded without heat or power for five days. I was one of them, but because I had adequate supplies of firewood, food, lighting, solar radio, drugs, cleaning supplies, water, weapons, batteries, etc., I was the only person who was comfortable. (OK, “comfortable” is too strong a term. But I did well and I could have lived that way for the rest of the winter.) A few of the neighbor ladies know that I’m the go-to person when their husbands are out of town and something has to be done.

I thought I could share some of my experiences and encourage more independence, which is not a concept many people in this area have. Could make a few bucks, too. Still, telling strangers that you’re prepared is a risk...


20 posted on 05/16/2012 9:34:17 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: MrB
I worry (not really) especially about foraged mushrooms that have a known ability to show no symptoms for hours and then are always fatal.

Would you care for some more beef and mushroom over noodles?

/johnny

21 posted on 05/16/2012 9:35:06 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

The first rule of Prep Club is: you do not talk about Prep Club.


22 posted on 05/16/2012 9:37:13 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Kartographer
Well then count me as a prepper heretic because I am 100% certain that all things are in God's sovereign control. Without descending into philosophical debate, I know God is absolutely sovereign over all things. He is not surprised by events, nor is He taken by surprise. He knows all things and has complete control over all matters and events. To deny any of this is to deny the very existence of God.

Having said that, I fully acknowledge the usefulness of prepping.

23 posted on 05/16/2012 9:37:44 AM PDT by Obadiah (2008: Hope & Change -- 2012: Fear & Retribution)
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To: JRandomFreeper
There are advantages to being semi-rural and knowing all the neighbors for that long.

Yep. Hooterville is a wonderful place to be. I've been here for almost 20 years and have connections in every little town across the county to the little town where I grew up.
24 posted on 05/16/2012 9:39:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Ray54
“Where do you hear it?”

The voices and others. They chant in a low moan; “Hoarder, Hoarder”.
They have dead eyes and a pungent odor.

Some times they chant “hoarder”. Sometimes other phrases such as “Got any spare change?”; or “Pay your fair share”; or even “Hope and Change”...

25 posted on 05/16/2012 9:41:08 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (We are the 53%. 47% of Americans pay no taxes; end the free ride...)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
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26 posted on 05/16/2012 9:43:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Obadiah
all things are in God's sovereign control

I agree with that. I also know I have been instructed to prepare and remain prepared.

/johnny

27 posted on 05/16/2012 9:44:02 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cripplecreek

Those are the ones I see!!!


28 posted on 05/16/2012 9:48:22 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (We are the 53%. 47% of Americans pay no taxes; end the free ride...)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Well at least your brain is safe. They don’t want any part of that.


29 posted on 05/16/2012 9:49:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I think the book “Wicked Plants” would be a good addition to one’s self-sufficiecy library. Just saying.


30 posted on 05/16/2012 9:52:16 AM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: Kartographer; waterhill; ixtl
A viable concern, especially for those with neighbors in close proximity.

How can I cook my ribeyes without the whole neighborhood knowing?

The running generator will be a giveaway also.

I knew I bought those guns an ammo for some reason.

They'll have to pry those ribeyes from my cold dead hands!

31 posted on 05/16/2012 9:55:38 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: ottbmare

God knows all things, but he gave man free will. If a man rapes a woman or kills another man is that God’s will or a man exercising his free will to do evil?

I agree with you God knows all things, but God does not order all things that men do. Otherwise there wouldn’t be an evil act commit nor would we have free will.


32 posted on 05/16/2012 9:55:46 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: gundog
Went to Wal-Mart this morning to check out the “prepper foods.”

I buy lots of the Walmart brand of canned mini-ravioli in the small and big cans. It's yummy, satisfying, cheap and will last a good while in sealed cans.

33 posted on 05/16/2012 9:59:47 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
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To: Kartographer

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


34 posted on 05/16/2012 10:00:10 AM PDT by OHelix
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To: DuncanWaring

>>The first rule of Prep Club is: you do not talk about Prep Club.<<

Exactly right. Even people you trust can, and most likely will, turn against you when the chips are down. It’s a razor thin veneer between civility and madness, and as we’ve seen recently in the US, it would only take Wal-Mart being closed for a day or so for things to go sideways very quickly.

I don’t even tell members of my own family the degree to which my wife and I are prepared. However, she, having the softer heart, would insist on as many people as possible coming to live with us when SHTF, most specifically the older children from her previous marriage (all in their 20’s and living on their own). I try to explain the danger in that, because they would tell others, who would tell others, etc - and before you know it, you’ve got 50 people in your yard all wanting a piece of what you’ve got. All because no one would listen to me for the last 2 years that serious things are coming down and it’s time to get ready.

I joke with her that I’m fully prepared to take my minor children and head into the woods alone w/ them if need be. She laughs because she knows I’m joking.

She thinks I’m joking anyway...lol. And I am.

Sort of.

But not really.


35 posted on 05/16/2012 10:01:24 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (Can't afford a ticket back from Suffragette City)
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To: GraceG

36 posted on 05/16/2012 10:02:04 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: Kartographer

I will say that most Californians will talk about being prepared in an emergency.

In fact, our neighborhood has had meetings to discuss our preparations.


37 posted on 05/16/2012 10:06:02 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: OHelix

So any evil I do I am not responsible as God created that evil and ordained it to be committed?


38 posted on 05/16/2012 10:14:29 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ottbmare
"A few of the neighbor ladies know that I’m the go-to person when their husbands are out of town and something has to be done."

My mind lives full-time in the gutter anyhow, but your statement made me LOL.

39 posted on 05/16/2012 10:14:44 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Today if you invent a better mousetrap, the government comes along with a better mouse. RReagan)
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To: Kartographer

My lazy-assed, garage dwelling neighbor is 37 years old and lives with his mommy. He got a SS award for being “bipolar” (which IMO is a skittles and rainbows diseases that lawyers use to f#ck the system and profit).

Anyhow, I’m looking forward to watching his fat ass starve slowly if the SHTF. None of my neighbors know squat about my basement stash. If they figure it out and come for it, they’ll find out about the ammo stash shortly thereafter.


40 posted on 05/16/2012 10:22:52 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Today if you invent a better mousetrap, the government comes along with a better mouse. RReagan)
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To: Kartographer

Please add me to the prepper ping list...thank you!


41 posted on 05/16/2012 10:23:28 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Today if you invent a better mousetrap, the government comes along with a better mouse. RReagan)
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To: Kartographer

” can you imagine the chants of “Hoarder! Hoarder!” from those standing on the street in front of your house? “

That may be nothing more than poor English skills on the part of the crowd, coupled with the red light in the Author’s window...

;)


42 posted on 05/16/2012 10:46:12 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Kartographer

We need to decide where Kartographer’s Gulch will be located.


43 posted on 05/16/2012 10:50:14 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: MrB

I wouldn’t use that strategy. In a bad situation those with assets are the least valued, those with force most valued. In a ‘provider family’ the family leaders will be summarily executed and the rest will be asked to provide resources, assistance or drive the VBIED if they want the others to live. Saw that it in Iraq.

Anyone who takes the ‘giveaway’ tact will be seen as a provider and preyed upon relentlessly. Best to have a large family or a good co-survival/co-defense arrangement with their neighbors. When the gangs come you hit them hard with everything you have. That will make you known more for force than provisions. They’ll go elsewhere.


44 posted on 05/16/2012 11:02:34 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Justa

The reference was to “legitimate” authorities who are confiscating supplies and weapons “for the greater good”,

not to roaving gangs of thugs without the color of authority.


45 posted on 05/16/2012 11:08:22 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: outofsalt; JRandomFreeper

Somewhere near JRandomFreeper’s resturant would be a good place. “You kill it and he’ll grill it!”


46 posted on 05/16/2012 11:08:50 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Ray54

Check most Prepper threads and you will see it. I’ve been harassed by those saying I want something bad to happen and if it does I should ‘share’ my stores with the less fortunate. And if you look we already have two people claiming that any shtf is God’s will on this thread.


47 posted on 05/16/2012 11:17:00 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Mich Patriot

“My lazy-assed, garage dwelling neighbor is 37 years old and lives with his mommy. He got a SS award for being “bipolar” (which IMO is a skittles and rainbows diseases that lawyers use to f#ck the system and profit).” My wife has got a nephew and I have a “son-in-Law” that is like that.


48 posted on 05/16/2012 11:17:50 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Kartographer

I have co-workers I have tried to convince to “arm” themselves to no avail. If they show up at my door, I will have no pity for them.


49 posted on 05/16/2012 11:20:41 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: Kartographer

Well, I’m not going to be selfish... they can have my food when I’m done with it.


50 posted on 05/16/2012 11:23:36 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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