and when you take him out, the Dunhams are sitting the way they were.
Posted on 05/20/2012 5:44:11 AM PDT by pookie18
The biography provided by Barack Obama to his literary agent specified his birthplace as "Kenya". And, over the course of 17 years, despite multiple revisions by Obama, the Kenyan birthplace remained a fundamental part of the bio on the agent's website.
Was Barack actually born in Kenya? I seriously doubt it, even though Michelle Obama has publicly stated that Kenya is her husband's "home country". Contemporary newspaper listings in Honolulu, for example, list the time and place of his birth. While this isn't ironclad proof, to be sure, it's good enough for me.
No, my suspicion is that Mr. Obama manipulated his birthplace intentionally (and cynically) to take advantage of certain benefits unavailable to those born in the United States.
Bookworm Room describes why that might have been. We need to set the Wayback Machine to 1978, when young Obama was seeking admission to college.
1978 isn’t just any year. It’s a very special year. It was the year that the Supreme Court decided Regents of the University of California v. Bakke (1978) 438 U.S. 265... [and] held that [the] race-based admission process was unconstitutional.
With that decision, Obama, who was a self-confessed slacker in high school, suddenly lost his e-ticket to a good college. He couldn’t know then (nor would it have mattered) that the various concurrences in this deeply divided opinion would eventually open the door to colleges and universities making race a “factor” in admission, so much so that this “factor-ness” eventually created a whole new quota system.
My best guess is that, denied an opportunity to use quota systems to parlay a lousy academic record into a quality college admission, Obama searched around for other means of bypassing his academic failings. It was this search that led him to announce that he was Kenyan. I’m sure that a certain amount of digging will reveal that, just when the Bakke decision came down, American universities were engaged in some sort of pro-active policy involving increasing the number of African nationals on America’s college campuses. Obama was happy to oblige the universities in this effort by co-opting his father’s nationality, and burying the fact that he was a garden-variety American black kid.
There’s the nexus — In 1978, Obama, who already then was willing to lie to achieve his goals, created a false identity to deal with the changes the Bakke decision wrought on college admissions.
This appears to be an extremely plausible explanation for Obama's refusal to release any of his college transcripts.
My guess is that this scenario -- or one similar to it -- helps explain why Obama enjoys the company of race-hustlers like Al Sharpton.
And where was the media for lo these many years? Busy investigating Sarah Palin's elementary school chums?
I’d like to remind everyone that the birth announcement did not mention Barack Hussein Obama II by name. It said “a son”. Nor did it mention a mother. It said “Mrs.”
Barack Hussein Obama Senior had four or more wives during his lifetime. At that particular time, indications are that he had three wives, at least: Kezia, Stanley Ann, and a wife in the Philippines.
Which “Mrs.” gave birth to “a son?”
The announcement also did not state a place of birth. The son could have been born in Kenya; his mother could have been Mrs. Martha Stewart Obama; his name could have been Daffy Duck Stewart-Obama; and he still would have fit the “facts” in that announcement. However, he would not be a natural born citizen of the USA. Hawaiian law at the time would have allowed for him to have his birth registered in Hawaii.
Go back to my original post... WAY back when. I think he’s a liar. I think he lied about being born in Africa because he thought the meme of the “exotic foreigner” would help his career back when was a nobody law student. And I think that lie played out a little further than he would have liked.
Arizona is not content with what has been provided because no one has provided them anything. They’ve just seen the copy that the Obama campaign produced. They want to see real proof directly from the State of Hawaii. Which they should.
I have quite a number of images of both Colbs and long form BC’s, I wouldn’t post anything in reply to you, if you want something, go and find it. I don’t like your tone or attitude. Do not post to me again.
Right. Thats your way of saying “i got nothing”. Because you don’t.
Are you really that much of a wimp? Sheesh. I thought our side was a little tougher. But if you want to take your ball and stomp on home, go ahead. Maybe you’ll win the next one.
Who said the mother GOT PREGNANT in Kenya? It takes 9 months and people can travel all over the world. Who says the mother of the child got pregnant BY Barack Hussein Obama Sr.? Kenya was a British colony. There were plenty of white people in Kenya. The point is, he could have been born in Kenya because nobody KNOWS FOR CERTAIN who his parents were. You’re right that he does look not so black. He could be Filipino. He could be Native Hawaiian. He could be Indonesian. Without certified PAPER documents, whatever he SAYS about himself is meaningless. It’s proof of nothing. We know from his compressed girlfriends and his made-up biography, full of invented conversations and composite people, that he cannot be believed. Isn’t it amazing, when you think about it, how so many records that WOULD document his life for posterity are simply MISSING?
Exactly! And that is what I am saying, and I quote ”There is no excuse for the POTUS not to follow the laws of this nation. Providing a Birth Certificate is one of the simplest things to provide. Not doing so is unacceptable. I find it unacceptable for an elected government official to be above the laws of this great nation. By doing so, Obama shows his disrespect to the people and the laws of this nation.”
See post #177
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2885916/posts?page=177#177
Now whether Obama is born in Hawaii is almost moot at this point. His belief that he is above the law pisses me off. I'm fine with the fact you believe he lied about Kenya, but because as you said, Arizona is not content with what has been provided, people can argue their position that he was born in Kenya because he said so for 16 years and has to date not provided proof otherwise.
Bigdaddy45, I think we are on the same page. I think.
: )
Yippee! We can now go to bed and sleep well. : )
This is illogical. Why would Hillary serve as SOS for someone who had threatened them into silence? All the Clintons would have to do is call a press conference and spill everything. Before they did that, they could call the key power brokers in the party and inform them of the situation and what they were going to do so they would have supporters with them. They would come out winners and the Obama wing of the party would be discredited and destroyed. Not only that, there might be more than a few of them indicted and convicted of crimes.
The Clintons are going to get their revenge for the 2008 primary (SC was especially painful for them). When Obama loses in Nov. and the GOP keeps the House and wins the Senate, the Obama wing will be toast. Party leaders will go crawling back to the Clintons and plead with them to rebuild the party from the ashes. That's what the Clintons go to bed every night dreaming about.
And why does it have to be from Kenya? Have a look at the arrivals from overseas upthread I posted - from July 31, 1961 until June 30, 1962... There’s only ONE entry for Kenya, and that has to be OMAR who met the kenyan in the US after he left Hawaii on 22nd June, 1962. Omar attended a private high school, he and the kenyan shared accommodation in Cambridge.
If it’s not Omar, then aren’t we assuming an infant travelled alone, and Omar wasn’t listed?
And why does it have to be from Kenya? Have a look at the arrivals from overseas upthread I posted - from July 31, 1961 until June 30, 1962... There’s only ONE entry for Kenya, and that has to be OMAR who met the kenyan in the US after he left Hawaii on 22nd June, 1962. Omar attended a private high school, he and the kenyan shared accommodation in Cambridge.
If it’s not Omar, then aren’t we assuming an infant travelled alone, and Omar wasn’t listed?
You got it...the name of his wife was shown as Ann S Obama in the Polk, she was the girl sitting next to him at the Nachannofs, she ended up in Seattle with her son, Mary babysat him in January 1961, when her own daughter who was born in July 1959 was 18 months of age, and Stanley Ann Dunham was still in high school somewhere...when that child was conceived.
She’s shown as Anna Obama in Seattle. She’s probably the wife the kenyan meant when he told the INS he had a wife from whom he was separated, living in the Phillipines.
That child is the original BHO2 and when the kenyan left the US in Fall 1964, or when Ruth followed him a few weeks later, one of them took that boy to Kenya.
When Ayres wrote ‘Dreams’ they left out Mercer Island High School and the Seattle story, and that’s why we can’t find a yearbook that shows her graduation in 1960, and ANNA OBAMA wasn’t meant to be found!
AND YOUR ATTITUDE IS DISGUSTING.
Hmmmm !
There IS a South American reptile called an aboma.
Except that Freeper Racebannon has Obama telling the "born in Kenya" story back in 1980 when he would have been around 18 years old in Hawaii.
http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/11/first-hand-witness-to-obama-admitting.html
"But the next man I want to speak of is the most important of all. And I want to express here, what I am about to tell you, I believe with all sincerity and truthfulness. I am making nothing up here, except maybe a few words to keep a written dialog in readable form, but I believe I met Barak Obama in Hawaii in 1980 in Honolulu.
It was after we had come home from that float. The rescue attempt had happened in Iran . My squadron was flying search and rescue the day the aircraft left the USS Nimitz on the afternoon of April 24, 1980 in the Arabian Sea . After the mission was aborted and the crash happened, our ship had set sail to Mombassa for liberty.
The ship spent 4 days in Mombassa, but due to some Marines stealing a radio, I was a brig guard for the month and only had 2 days ashore. I made time to go on a short safari in the Tsavo East National park, seeing elephants and hippos in the wild, some gazelles, water buffalo, some large birds and one particular lizard the size of a German Shepard that I held up for everyone to take pictures of while it lazed about in the daytime sun. Why it didn’t bite me, I can only thank God.
While back in Hawaii by late June of 1980, we went back to Honolulu for liberty. I don’t remember the exact address, or the exact business, but one August night, early August 1980, I stopped at a small shop that was either on Kalakaua Blvd or the street just north of it, one block north. I struck up a conversation with a young man, Mulatto, about 18, all teeth, smiling, skinny, short hair that I remember, at least short for the year we lived in.
He told me he lived in Hawaii . Not too many black Americans lived in Hawaii at all, now or then, so he being there was an oddity. I asked if he was in the service and he said no. I told him that I was a Marine and had recently gotten back from float. We spoke of world travel at this time and I told him the places we went to.
What strikes me most is what he said as to where he grew up: Indonesia . He told me he wanted to be President of the US someday. I remember lightly smiling and commenting that maybe by the time he gets to be 40 or so, America will be ready for a Black man to be President and I wished him luck. We spoke of the racial tensions I saw at home while growing up and I asked him if he ever saw that overseas or since he returned back to Hawaii . I don’t remember his answer, but we spoke more of his time overseas and his thoughts on life and philosophy of government. He made some strange comments to me, it was obvious he never set foot for any time on continental United States and I told him he better realize that he is making judgments about the United States when he himself never actually lived there. I told him, “ Hawaii aint the United States !”
He also told me something that I never forgot, for it caused me to do some other things in an effort to be nice to him and possibly a favor. We spoke of where I had been and the world as I saw it. I told him I had been to Africa , Mombassa specifically, and he said to me abruptly, “I was born there”. I told him he is not eligible to be president if that was true, but I remembered he said his mom was an American, so, maybe it was okay. But it was what I did after that makes this a true memory: I went back to the barracks and told others of this guy and suggested we all grab our photo albums and visit him again and show him pictures of Mombassa so he could see where he was from.
No one wanted to go, and at that time, my camera had failed the weeks before we hit Mombassa and it was late August or early September until I had borrowed someone else’s pictures to develop myself so I had copies of where I was. But I never forgot meeting that man for those reasons. I was going to do him a favor and show him his home country of birth. And I never went back for some reason, most likely I forgot to or just felt that a one time chance encounter would be meaningless to both of us and didn’t mean we were friends.
In the light of what is called “The Birther” movement, these memories are still foremost in my mind concerning this. While I cannot swear it was Barak Obama, all the details I do remember of that chance encounter fit the profile of the man who some people claim is born in Kenya and others claim he was born in Hawaii . The man I met was about 18, thin, Mulatto, told me he was born in Mombassa, raised overseas, was living in Hawaii and hadn’t yet been to many places in the world outside of those places, mostly, hadn’t been to the mainland of America for any long time period if at all. And he openly told me he wanted to be President."
The problem with Obama’s COLB is that the “seal” on it doesn’t bend when the paper it’s supposedly on folds. See http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/did-factcheck-help-forge-the-colb/
And it doesn’t include note of the amendment that the HDOH indirectly confirmed was made sometime in 2006. See http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/amendment-confirmation-for-dummies/
It’s also highly suspect that the BC# on that COLB is real, since it is out of sequence with the Nordyke BC’s - having a higher (later) BC# than theirs even though it was filed 3 days earlier than theirs (and the HDOH has said that BC#’s for Oahu births were almost always given a BC# on the “date filed”). The “date filed” and BC# combination makes sense for only a very, very rare circumstance.
Specifically the circumstances for Virginia Sunahara (born at Wahiawa Hospital on Aug 4, 1961 with a BC listing her as Virginia Sunahara, died at Kapiolani Hospital Aug 5, 1961 with a death certificate wrongly listing her as Tomiyo Sunahara. The HDOH stamped the BC immediately because it was complete, but when matching it with the death certificate that had already come in noticed the name discrepancy so they delayed stamping the BC# until after they figured out whether the name was correct, since an amendment process would have to be done once a BC# was assigned and that would be extra hassle and pain for a grieving family.
So the delay between when the BC was “filed” and when it was stamped with a BC# makes sense for Sunahara. It DOESN’T make sense for a routine hospital birth where the baby lived. It wouldn’t even make sense for a hospital birth where the baby died - unless there was the mix-up with the name, like Virginia had. Only that very specific circumstance would yield this result. It’s like a fingerprint that only fits Virginia’s scenario.
And lo and behold we find that the signs of forgery on Obama’s long-form show that the M for “male” was changed, the local registrar is the registrar that shows up on another WAHIAWA HOSPITAL BC but not Kapiolani, and the third letter of the first name - R was not C&P’ed in; it was retained from the BC that was used as the base document for the forgery. IOW, the things that had to be altered from the base document show that the base document belonged to a girl who was born at Wahiawa Hospital and - like Barack - had an R for the third letter of her name. That fits Virginia perfectly.
And lo and behold, the 1960-64 birth index, which was altered to include legally non-valid records (see http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/1960-64-birth-index-includes-legally-invalid-records/ ) included both Virginia Sunahara and Barack Obama’s names, but when I requested Virginia’s non-certified COLB I was told there were no records responsive to my request. The secretary queried the database and did not find any birth record under Virginia’s name. We know she had a birth record in the database because her brother eventually got a COLB for her - with an obviously altered BC# that was way out of order. But when the secretary queried the database for me, that record was no longer under Virginia’s name. The record using that BC# was under somebody else’s name at that point. To understand why that was necessary and how it all happened, see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2885601/posts?page=72#72 )
Additionally, the HDOH refuses to let Virginia’s own brother see or make a copy of her original birth certificate. Her full death certificate was disclosed and includes a handwritten note of what the BC# supposedly was (again, the BC# that is way out of sequence) - which is easily forged. And the line on which it is written appears to have an abbreviation that doesn’t make sense and lacks one of the items that was required on the CDC’s standard death certificate - even though HI statute says that all HI vital records certificates have to include AT LEAST everything that is on the CDC’s standard certificate. So it appears that the line on which the handwritten BC# is written has been altered from what was supposed to be on death certificates in 1961. It’s missing the place to record what state the birth certificate was from.
So the HDOH is known to have altered the 1960-64 birth index to include legally non-valid records, the database entry for Virginia Sunahara so that it was under a different name, Sunahara’s BC# (and they also apparently altered Stig Waidelich’s BC# as well), and most probably the line on Virginia’s death certificate where a handwritten BC# is written. None of that would be necessary if Obama had his own BC# from 1961.
So that COLB has LOTS of problems, besides being just an easily-manipulated computerized abstract (just like Virginia’s and Waidelich’s computer-generated abstracts were easily manipulated by the HDOH, as was Virginia’s actual record in the database).
None of my points talked about disinformation on forums. I’m talking about official records. That’s what I deal with.
And if we’ve got political operatives tampering with official vital records at will, that is an even bigger problem than Obama’s eligibility, and that by itself means that all the records should be audited.
Which is precisely the point I’ve been making publicly for the last 2 years.
We can talk about why Obama would lie on a bio. But if you believe that what he said in that bio was a lie, then you’ve got the even bigger task of explaining why ALL his vital records had to be tampered with. Because they were. There is direct evidence of that.
Then don't do it. Even if you are correct (which I doubt) about Obama having a valid birth certificate, he let a man go to prison rather than release any documentation.
Let that sink in. He let a man throw away an honorable career in the military and let him go to prison for six months. For what? Some stupid political trick? What a horrible, little p***k. Don't defend him.
The Certificate of Live Birth Obama posted (real or not) is exactly like the Certificate of Live Birth I got when I was born in 1964 in North Carolina.
Well, whether it's real or not IS THE QUESTION HERE.
Curious did your birth certificate come ONLY in PDF form?
Was it manufactured, copied and pasted piece by piece like some Frankenstein birth certificate?
Did it come with removable and moveable security features which defeats the whole purpose of the security features in the first place?
And were the security features imported from another computer file leaving them intact as text block for you to use at your leisure when trying to make fake birth certificates if you so decided?
” - - - legally non-valid records - - - “
Need a tad more explanation to understand this phrase. Maybe an example or two?
BTW, GREAT JOB on documenting the truth!
What really freaks me out about that picture at the top of the article is the weird way his grandfather’s hand appears on O’s shoulder. Where is Pop’s elbow??
Check this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2696782/posts?page=23#23
and when you take him out, the Dunhams are sitting the way they were.
ltr
If the Clintons had found this, that he committed fraud to get into the best schools, at the time of the election, this would have been enough to have derailed his campaign. The reason that the Clintons did not derail his campaign are likely because of behind the scene finagling and possibly their own skeletons being put on the table to "encourage" them into compliance.
I sometimes wonder if the number on his BC is 666 and he wants to cover up the fact that he knows that he is being groomed to be the anti Christ, or at least is a candidate for him. Just a wild thought. Changing a number shouldn't be too hard of a thing, I guess.
Do you have any links to this story? I have been looking for it. Also, I once read a story about a man who says that he is the real BO and is depressed because his identity was stolen and he cannot be himself. His picture was with the story. It seemed kind of credible for some reason, but I cannot find it any more.
The subject of there being a real BO I have found and read about any number of times but can't any longer find any links about it. It is interesting and it goes along with the gut level feeling I have that BO is not at all who he says he is but has been manufactured, probably by the Soviets. Any info you have along this line would be appreciated.
I would be VERY interested in the story about the man who said he was the 'real' BHO2. Can you remember where he was living?
The story tells itself if you look at the images I have posted. There were two boys:
They can name him David all they like, there never was a David, that boy on the left is zero, and the boy on the right is the son of the kenyan. As the boy on the right is OLDER than zero, he can't be Mark.
If he was registered as a foreign student there wouldn't be a selective service registration.
Someone needs to do a DNA analysis. It would be great to find out that the first black President wasn't even black. I wonder how that would go over with all the blacks, not that they would believe it, even if it was true. It would be very interesting to find out for sure what is race actually is.
I think he was living in Africa, maybe Kenya, but it's been quite awhile since I read about him. I have been trying to find the story or anybody who also saw the story but haven't been successful yet.
Sounds good,,,
It goes to show that any of us with the know how need to remember to get hard copies of everything we can that may be pertinent to the subject of BO's true identity.
No, he didn’t look like that fellow. I don’t think that he was highly educated either or at least didn’t seem like it.
The articles the images came from have been removed.
The report on the Patrice Lumumba student in Moscow is here, it’s part of the thread about the story Tom Fife posted:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2344042/posts
Did Kenya have scholarships for Kenyans to attend US universities?
Exactly.
I have since learned that the guy who had the name LIDDY on his shorts lied to me about being Gordon Liddy’s son
someone here showed me a link stating Liddy entered service in the mid 80’s
I am friends with Capt Larry Bailey, USN SEAL, called him to confirm, and he confirmed it
So, embarrassing as it is, I was ied to 30 years ago and only recently found out, so, while it is true I met someone named Liddy, he was not Gordon’s son.
And I wonder how many more fell for his line.
Neat link. You know what comes up? “Certificates of Live Birth”. Which is the same as a Birth Certificate. So .... educate me again on the difference?
I specifically responded to a post that said there was a supposed difference between a COLB and a Birth Certificate, and that Obama had only provided a copy (legit or not) of a COLB. A COLB and a Birth Certificate are the same thing, but some refuse to believe it or provide evidence otherwise. We look silly when we keep screaming for the “long form birth certificate.”
As to what he provided, do I think its real? I have no idea. Some lawyer showed up with a copy of a piece of paper. If the Arizona SOS wants verification directly from the State of Hawaii, then good for him!!
Yes that is the sense I have in looking at it. And also, wondering how many people were taking this picture, since all three are looking in a different direction.
Sometimes records exist that have no LEGAL value.
Sometimes that’s because of the quality of the documentation/evidence on which the record is based which makes it not credible enough to be considered as legal proof on its face (prima facie evidence). For instance, Hawaii statute says that BC’s filed a year or more after the birth and BC’s that were altered (other than a name change) are legally suspect. By themselves they are not to be considered proof of anything. Instead, the state marks them distinctly on their face so that when they are used as evidence it is known that the quality of the supporting documentation/evidence is unknown and has to be checked. Basically, the state is saying that this is a claim only - basically a rumor that the state cannot vouch for as accurate.
Other records may be incomplete. The section of the BC request form that is for internal use has a place for the worker to check-off various kinds of records, such as pending, incomplete, COHB, etc. Pending and incomplete records have no legal weight because they don’t have all the required information.
Some records are legally non-valid because the legal reality they document no longer exists. For instance, when a person is adopted they are issued a new birth certificate which shows the adoptive parents as their parents. The original birth certificate still exists and can be used as EVIDENCE if it is made available by judicial decree, but what is on that birth certificate is no longer LEGALLY accurate so it is legally void.
As I explained in my blog post about this (IIRC anyway), the mechanism by which the EVVE system flags suspect records is through a data field called the “void flag”. When a record is not legally valid that record is flagged within that field as being “void”. Hawaii’s vital records department participates in EVVE so they have a “void flag” field for their vital records, to note when the record is not legally valid.
To print out an index, the criteria for the records to be printed would be used to sort out the records to be printed (such as the date range, etc. The date range is normally included as a header on every page of that index, but in only the 1960-64 birth index, that date-range heading doesn’t appear). If the index is to show legally-valid records, it would be specified to print only records not flagged as void. If even void records are printed, then the list tells you nothing except that the name is in the system for some reason or another. Names listed on it could be for legally valid records or they could mean there was a crayon-on-napkin declaration that was once submitted.
And the 1960-64 birth index includes names that are associated with void records - the birth names of 2 adopted children whose birth records under those names are not only legally non-valid but are required by law to be sealed from public knowledge.
The reason this is significant is because although there can be more than one birth record having the same BC#, only one of those records can be legally valid at a time. The BC# is supposed to represent a physical person, whose birth is attested to by somebody’s oath. That person could have records under different legal names - such as the birth name and the adoptive name, but only one of those names can be legally valid at a time. Otherwise you could have 2 physical persons both claiming to be that baby whose birth was attested to on the original paper record.
There was one child whose birth was attested to on the BC numbered 641. Virginia Sunahara. Another record could be created for #641, where the name associated with it is Barack Hussein Obama II. But only one of those names could be legally valid at a time. If that number was shared between 2 physical people, only one of them could show up in the database of legally valid records at a time. And the only way to get both names to appear in a print-out is by allowing legally non-valid records to be printed as well as valid ones.
And we’ve got evidence of both those phenomena. The database did not have Virginia Sunahara’s name in it when queried for me but DID have her name when her brother requested her COLB. So her record, under her name, had a void flag switched on and off for it. The void flag was on when they wanted her “other name” (Barack Hussein Obama) to appear to be legally valid, and the void flag was off when they needed to print out her COLB for Duncan. Somebody at the HDOH office is changing that void flag at will. An audit of the computer transaction logs would show us who was doing that and when.
And the 1960-64 birth index shows names for records that are marked as void (the birth names for 2 adopted boys) so we know that the birth index which includes both Virginia and Obama has the ability to show void records.
And incidentally, the same thing would allow a BC# to be altered momentarily and then switched back to normal. When Virginia’s COLB was printed out they needed a different BC#. So they probably created another record with Virginia Sunahara’s name and birth info, but the BC# from another baby who died - probably later in August - and then temporarily voided the record for the baby who really belonged to that BC# until they had printed the COLB for Virginia showing the fake BC#, at which time they voided the fake Sunahara record so the real record would be the one that showed up in a query as if nothing had ever been done.
I believe they did the same thing with Stig Waidelich, in an attempt to make Obama’s out-of-sequence BC# and “date filed” seem less suspicious.
That’s why both Sunahara’s and Waidelich’s BC#’s are so out of sequence. The HDOH didn’t want to use a BC# for somebody who has a copy of their BC with that BC# and could thus prove the tampering at the HDOH. They had to use a BC# from an infant who died - and preferably an infant who died without a name. They had to use the BC#’s that were available, and the end result is BC#’s that are so far out of sequence that the only way they could have landed like that is if the HDOH assigned BC#’s randomly. Which is the opposite of how Janice Okubo has said they did things.
I hope this doesn’t just make things too complicated.
According to Bettina Viviano, top dem sources said that Clintons were planning to out Obama’s ineligibility at the Convention, but was scared/threatened away when first Bill Clinton’s good friend (and chairman of the Arkansas Democratic Party) Bill Gwatney and then Stephanie Tubbs were each killed within a couple weeks of the Convention, after having agreed to present the petition at the Convention for Clintons.
We’re not talking some tee-hee little embarrassing distraction here, as some would have us believe the eligibility issue is. We’re talking about people being assassinated and media companies scared to the point that they told their on-air personalities their careers and possibly lives would be over if they reported on the eligibility issue.
As Breitbart could have told us if he was still alive - and as his survivors are too scared to tell us now - this is DEADLY serious.
I can see your points and I have considered them. It all looks so suspicious and I have come to the conclusion that it’s no accident they all look suspicious. It’s purposeful sleight of hand.
Remember the FBI files - how that was pinned on some exuberant low level staffer? Remember the Rose Law firm billing records that were unexpectedly found in the WH map room after - how that was pinned on some low level clerical person? Then the Lewinsky matter - how many crimes were committed in that whole mess, yet the Clintons emerged stronger than ever. We all thought those were actions that would bring the Clintons down, but they didn’t.
There would be layers and layers of people/papers/e-files to sift through before the person or persons responsible for the tampering would be identified. These people are pros at obfuscation and misdirection. Obama and his closest advisors would have six, if not more, degrees of separation from the perpetrators.
I would love if someone found a smoking gun and I would be proved totally wrong in my conclusions. But how many times during the Clinton era was the phrase, “smoking gun” uttered or written and it ended up being a toy water pistol, if that.
CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH=AN ABSTRACT. CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH=A BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
For the life of me I can’t find an email for this guy. Even on his own Journal!
So whats your point? Obama provided a (real or fradulent) Certificate of Live Birth. Which is the same as a Birth Certificate. Which is what I said all along, and which you argued against.
Kenya enthusiastically claims obama as one of their own.
Michelle claims that kenya is obama’s homeland.
baraq’s granny swears that she was present at this birth in Kenya. Why would any granny lie about one of their grandkids?
You’re claiming that the CLINTONS made all this look suspicious (by having the HDOH change BC#’s, their database, the 1960-64 birth index, etc, having Selective Service forge a draft registration, putting all the Kenya claims out there including in Obama’s own biography in 1991, having Obama’s passport file breached 3 times, having Kenyan officials claim in a radio interview that they are going to memorialize his birthplace in Kenya, having Obama himself use on his tax return a SSN that fails e-verify and was issued from Connecticut, having Abercrombie tell Mike Evans that he went to the hospitals with a search warrant and couldn’t find any birth records and that he had never even seen Obama in Hawaii until T-ball age, etc ad nauseum)...and yet wouldn’t ever come out and seal the deal by using all these suspicious things they created?
That doesn’t make sense. Even if they had had the ability to effect all this suspicious stuff, some of it long before they know Obama would be a threat to them - why would they not have used any of this in the 2008 primary? Why did Hillary move at the DNC Convention that they unanimously nominate Obama?
If Clintons were able to get the HDOH to do all this suspicious activity in order to make Obama look illegitimate, then why didn’t the HDOH just come right out and say Obama wasn’t born there? Everything the HDOH has done has consistently covered Obama’s behind. You think the Clintons are behind that? For what purpose?
That just doesn’t make sense.
Bill Gwatney is dead. His killer had no dealings with him, no reason to target him. He can’t be questioned because the cops shot him. His wife supported Obama rather than Clinton at the DNC Convention just a couple weeks after her husband died. Those are easily-verified facts.
Now we’ve got the Hillary supporters saying - and apparently to a law enforcement body, even - that shortly before he was killed Gwatney had agreed to present a petition challenging Obama at the DNC Convention. We know from public reports to “Recreate ‘68” that the community organization wing of the dems were prepared to do violence if they thought it necessary in Denver; who is the darling of the community organization wing, and why were they thinking that might be necessary?
All that stuff makes sense if the Clintons intended to out Obama’s ineligibility but didn’t because they were threatened by the murders of Bill Gwatney and Stephanie Tubbs. Murders which wouldn’t be necessary if the Clintons didn’t actually have the goods on Obama - something they couldn’t have if Obama had a genuine HI BC, passport, SSN, and draft registration.
This explanation makes sense - what we saw in front of our faces then and now makes sense - if Obama lacked all those records and the Soros/Obama machinery threatened multiple government agencies into covering for Obama, and Clintons were threatened out of using Obama’s ineligibility for their own personal gain.
What explanation do you have, that makes sense out of all this stuff?
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