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Why Barack Obama listed his birthplace as Kenya
Doug Ross@Journal ^ | 5/19/12 | Doug Ross

Posted on 05/20/2012 5:44:11 AM PDT by pookie18

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Kinda makes some sense to me...


1 posted on 05/20/2012 5:44:17 AM PDT by pookie18
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To: pookie18

I agree. I never could get past the fact that Obamas birth announcement was in the Honolulu papers in 1961. I see no plausible way that would happen if he was born in Kenya. And I’m not conspiratorial enough to believe that his grandparents put the listings in in the hope that someday that would be an indicator he was born in the US. Thats just too much of a stretch to be believable in my mind.

On the other hand, to get ahead, he NEEDED to be born in Kenya. He made up a lie to advance is career as the “exotic foreigner”. And it took a long time to unravel the lie. This all makes sense to me.


2 posted on 05/20/2012 5:51:04 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: pookie18

I think this is the real story behind this whole thing. Face it....the minute you raise your hand and note that you are a foreigner and wanting some status or some scholorship deal for an American university, with huge costs....the foreign status will help in some fashion. He was smart enough to figure that out. There are probably several thousand people over the past three decades who have done the same thing.

When it came time to get into Harvard, he pulls out the same bio, and it’s worth a million bucks.

So this entire argument and discussion....in an amusing sort of way, is over the methods that some 18-year old kid dreamed up and used to get his college education, and probably three or four of his first real jobs.

And you have to imagine this....Hillary Clinton at some point, came to grasp the same thing, but it was probably too late in the campaign to change the outcome. So she’s sitting....looking at some guy who did a bogus bio to get where he is today. Of all people....she has to be the one most upset.


3 posted on 05/20/2012 5:52:36 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pookie18
Was Barack actually born in Kenya? I seriously doubt it, even though Michelle Obama has publicly stated that Kenya is her husband's "home country". Contemporary newspaper listings in Honolulu, for example, list the time and place of his birth. While this isn't ironclad proof, to be sure, it's good enough for me.

You know you can deny the evidence all you want which points to Obama being born in Kenya, but to be a complete idiot about it apparently isn't too much of a stretch for this writer!

4 posted on 05/20/2012 5:52:50 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: pookie18
Kinda makes some sense to me...

Agreement ... makes as much sense as anything else we know and suspect of the one. With the number of layers covering up the one, doubtful the truth will ever be known.

5 posted on 05/20/2012 5:56:35 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: pookie18
Whether Obama was born in Kenya or not, one thing with which we can all agree- Obama is not an American in mindset.

Heck, I know Asians who can barely speak English, who make better Americans than Obama. That's because they get it- America IS a special land, the greatest country in world history (other than maybe Israel).

6 posted on 05/20/2012 5:57:36 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: pookie18
Contemporary newspaper listings in Honolulu, for example, list the time and place of his birth.

No they don't . The birth announcement just says there was a birth. It doesn't say where the birth occurred.

7 posted on 05/20/2012 5:58:19 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: pookie18
Was Barack actually born in Kenya? I seriously doubt it, even though Michelle Obama has publicly stated that Kenya is her husband's "home country". Contemporary newspaper listings in Honolulu, for example, list the time and place of his birth. While this isn't ironclad proof, to be sure, it's good enough for me. No, my suspicion is that Mr. Obama manipulated his birthplace intentionally (and cynically) to take advantage of certain benefits unavailable to those born in the United States.

It is interesting that this speculation is politically correct while speculation based on much, much more evidence available, that obaba was Kenyan-born is politically correct.

8 posted on 05/20/2012 6:01:15 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: pepsionice

Whichever it is, he is still a freaking liar. Period.


9 posted on 05/20/2012 6:01:43 AM PDT by Shady (The undeniable truth of the Obama Administration...The numbers do not lie.)
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To: pookie18

The author is wrong because the same rationale he uses to legitimize the newspaper accounts are used to undermine the Honolulu birth narrative: namely, the validity od each is predicated on the supplying source. The publicist’s bio and the newspaper accounts are both secondary, hearsay source. Whys does he elevate one over the other, especially with since there are verified cases of none Honolulu birth’s listed in the newspapers. Couple this with BHO savage efforts to prevent the release of his original LFBC and I think you have a strong presumption of a non U.S. Birth.


10 posted on 05/20/2012 6:04:20 AM PDT by STJPII
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To: bigdaddy45
"I never could get past the fact that Obamas birth announcement was in the Honolulu papers in 1961."

Have you ever seen one?

11 posted on 05/20/2012 6:05:05 AM PDT by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: pookie18

Bump, bookmark and copy.


12 posted on 05/20/2012 6:05:27 AM PDT by moose07 (The truth will out, one day.)
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To: Texas Songwriter

Weren’t you supposed to preface your comment with “I am not a birther, but”, or am I thinking of someone else? Whoever it was made me chuckle.


13 posted on 05/20/2012 6:06:45 AM PDT by sueQ
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To: bigdaddy45

I agree with the writer as well.

After Bakke, universities were looking for all kinds of loopholes to admit minorities on other criteria besides race. This gave a huge advantage to minorities and even whites of African (South Africa, Rhodesia at the time) and South American (Argentina, e.g.) heritage.

A half black man from HI wasn’t going to get special treatment, but mention Kenya and voila, the university has its loophole. Indonesia was probably icing on the cake.

I don’t fault Obama for gaming the system (the system was flawed in the first place), but I do fault the fact that he has never come clean about it. But keeping it all shrouded in mystery and speculation is a political ploy which provides distraction and tinfoil hat theories.

The Clintons had the best investigative team going and if they couldn’t find anything of substance to hang around Obama’s neck, there wasn’t anything to find, IMO.


14 posted on 05/20/2012 6:08:20 AM PDT by randita
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To: pepsionice
” Face it....the minute you raise your hand and note that you are a foreigner and wanting some status or some scholorship deal for an American university, with huge costs....the foreign status will help in some fashion.”

This is a huge problem, IMHO. The fact that you are welcomed into this country and allowed to compete is enough. There should be no favoritism given because you weren't born here. There is a huge falsehood being perpetuated by the left, the media, the race baiters, and academia, that if you were born here and are white you've had an advantaged and easy life. That's utter and complete b.s. I didn't go to private schools, starting in elementary school, like Obama did. My father didn't finish high school because he had to help support the family. He didn't get a university education like Obama's father. I never got special consideration because I was white. I guarantee he got special consideration in multiple venues because of his background and race. Reverse racism is rampant.

15 posted on 05/20/2012 6:10:06 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: sueQ

You are right. I thought all comments have to have that lead in “I am not a birther, but” ....


16 posted on 05/20/2012 6:12:39 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: pookie18
No, the simplest explanation is that Obama was indeed born in Africa.

The missing passport records and missing immigration entry records for the week of his alleged birth are the most astonishing and inexplicable events that I can think of in years. Taken together, these missing records clearly shows unprecedented suppression of records of the United States government.

There's nothing inexplicable about the alleged newspaper blurbs. Those could be the result of simply someone, such as Obama's grandmother, completing some vital statistics forms.

17 posted on 05/20/2012 6:13:05 AM PDT by snowsislander (Please, America, no more dog-eating Kenyan cokeheads in the Oval Office.)
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To: TheCipher

Exactly, the premise is wrong and misapplied. Why is the newspaper account receiving greater credibility than the bio, which likely came from BHO himself?


18 posted on 05/20/2012 6:15:17 AM PDT by STJPII
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To: snowsislander

I’ve come to believe he wasn’t “born”. He probably was “hatched” like some sort of reptile.


19 posted on 05/20/2012 6:16:53 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: snowsislander
There's nothing inexplicable about the alleged newspaper blurbs. Those could be the result of simply someone, such as Obama's grandmother, completing some vital statistics forms.

Especially since someone born outside Hawaii could, and did, have birth records subsequently created in Hawaii and also had announcements posted in those papers.
20 posted on 05/20/2012 6:17:00 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: bigdaddy45
I never could get past the fact that Obamas birth announcement was in the Honolulu papers in 1961.

You should.

This isn't just about a phony birth certificate or two. You also must come up with explanations for the few bits of evidence that do exist (e.g. Connecticut Social Security number, forged Draft Registration, photoshopped pictures, Indonesian school record) and the mass of information that doesn't exist (E.g. Aug 1961 Immigration records, Immigration records from when he returned to the US from Indonesia, Passport records for him and his mother, people who knew him at Columbia, etc.).

These all point to an invented identity. No one can know what, if anything, is real about him. It is amazing to me that so many people still tolerate such a person being President of the United States.

ML/NJ

21 posted on 05/20/2012 6:17:36 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: pookie18
They would rather he is a liar, then accept the fact he really is not an American.

Good grief.

22 posted on 05/20/2012 6:18:27 AM PDT by Kakaze (I want the Republic back !)
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To: pookie18

Let’s see. We have trails and snippets of information claiming Obama was born in Kenya. We have people recalling Obama saying he was born in Kenya. We have his grandmother saying he was born in Kenya, then changing her story, and we have a government official of Kenya saying Obama was born in Kenya. We have fraudulent birth certificates, hidden records, confusion about which hospital he was born at, or what he name of he hospital was, and we have a birth announcement that doesn’t tell us anything. Still, if it is easier to believe he was born in Honolulu, and later lied about being born in Kenya, go for it. Either way, the guy is a liar and a fraud. Of that there can be no question. But that just makes him a good Democrat.


23 posted on 05/20/2012 6:21:11 AM PDT by pallis
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To: pookie18

So will any of the media from the left or right propose this scenario and demand Obama admit to this. He was a lying opportunist. Ends justified the means.
They could demand but can enough public pressure be placed.
We know he was born in Hawaii but lied to benefit so many times. this is the type of person he is. More proof of narcissistic personality disorder.
Plus he admired the father he hardly knew.


24 posted on 05/20/2012 6:21:15 AM PDT by SMGFan
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To: wesagain
There's something in the supplied link...though I've never had the newspaper in my not-formerly-nicotined-stained hands.


25 posted on 05/20/2012 6:21:16 AM PDT by pookie18 (...OK, plan C: Newt or Rick...I guess it's plan D now)
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To: pookie18

A “birth announcement” vs aunt sarah eye witness [who they have shut up]. Now the story is obama the commie wanted to be “exotic” listing kenya as birthplace. There is more evidence of the scumbag forger and fraud being born in kenya than hawaii but yet we still have to hear this exotic crap from “schoolers”.


26 posted on 05/20/2012 6:22:20 AM PDT by biggredd1
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To: sueQ
Weren’t you supposed to preface your comment with “I am not a birther, but”, or am I thinking of someone else? Whoever it was made me chuckle.

I definitely leaned towards birtherism...


27 posted on 05/20/2012 6:23:02 AM PDT by pookie18 (...OK, plan C: Newt or Rick...I guess it's plan D now)
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To: pepsionice

He lit the fire.
Now let him roast.


28 posted on 05/20/2012 6:25:54 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: pookie18
My best guess is that, denied an opportunity to use quota systems to parlay a lousy academic record into a quality college admission, Obama searched around for other means of bypassing his academic failings. It was this search that led him to announce that he was Kenyan. I’m sure that a certain amount of digging will reveal that, just when the Bakke decision came down, American universities were engaged in some sort of pro-active policy involving increasing the number of African nationals on America’s college campuses. Obama was happy to oblige the universities in this effort by co-opting his father’s nationality, and burying the fact that he was a garden-variety American black kid.

There’s the nexus — In 1978, Obama, who already then was willing to lie to achieve his goals, created a false identity to deal with the changes the Bakke decision wrought on college admissions.

No, that's a very unlikely scenario.

While it is certainly possible that an admissions office could be, depending on the university, quite delighted to readily admit foreign students, it is much more likely the reason is quite cynical: Foreign students virtually always pay full out-of-state tuition. Foreign students in the early 1980s had no access to standard federal loan and grant programs.

Also, Obama claims to have lots of student loans. He wouldn't have been eligible for federal ones if he was coming in as a foreign student. Indeed, I would be surprised if the state of New York or Columbia offered any type of support for foreign students other than the standard graduate-type assistance, such as teaching assistantships. Since Obama was an undergraduate, it would be unusual for him to receive any graduate support and there is certainly no indication that he did.

In short, there is no academic advantage for Obama to have claimed foreign status, and there is a distinct economic disadvantage.

29 posted on 05/20/2012 6:27:25 AM PDT by snowsislander (Please, America, no more dog-eating Kenyan cokeheads in the Oval Office.)
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To: bigdaddy45

the Soviets were such expert forgers in Europe, to this day it is hard to tell what documents are authentic in European archives.

Do ya have an original copy of that Hawaii newspaper?
has the microfiche been tampered with?


30 posted on 05/20/2012 6:28:14 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (and we are still campaigning for local conservatives in central CT.)
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To: snowsislander
The missing passport records and missing immigration entry records for the week of his alleged birth are the most astonishing and inexplicable events that I can think of in years

Not to mention the government document found buried in the online reference section of a Boston Public Library archive. The document indicates that a consular officer issued a single certificate of statutory citizenship, within the time frame including August 4, 1961, to a child born to a U.S. citizen between July 1st and December 31st, 1961 in the Kenyan region of Africa. The record also reveals that the certificate was the only one issued for this specific type of arrival in the U.S. over a span of more than 18 months, among thousands from other parts of the world. Certificates of Citizenship are issued upon arrival in the U.S. to those who have acquired statutory citizenship (not natural-born citizenship) by birth to at least one U.S. citizen parent within the previous year while that parent(s) was temporarily in another country. COC are notifications provided by the American Consulate Service, via the INS, to individuals born to at least one U.S. citizen abroad in order to provide interim citizen alien status while immigration status is processed and secured.

31 posted on 05/20/2012 6:28:52 AM PDT by TheCipher
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To: randita
The Clintons had the best investigative team going and if they couldn't find anything of substance to hang around Obama's neck, there wasn't anything to find, IMO.

Would the clintoons back off if enough money was offered? The one had plenty of money to buy silence. This never happens in politics (money), or was something discovered on the clintoons which bought silence? Don't know here. Many questions.

32 posted on 05/20/2012 6:31:40 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: bigdaddy45

...never could get past the fact of a birth announcement? Have you gotten past the fact that the commie’s selective service registration was forged? Or his short form AND long form were forged? Or the passport office was broken into? Or NO hospital in hawaii lays claim to the dud? Or anyone can send in a birth announcement? Why wouldnt the birth announcement list the hospital like the ones I read? Some people are stuck on stupid, like the writer.


33 posted on 05/20/2012 6:31:49 AM PDT by biggredd1
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To: bigdaddy45

The Social Security number from CT has always made me wonder how he got it and WHY CT,as he never lived ther, if he was born in Hawaii why not a Hawaii SS number.


34 posted on 05/20/2012 6:35:24 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: bigdaddy45
I never could get past the fact that Obamas birth announcement was in the Honolulu papers in 1961. I see no plausible way that would happen if he was born in Kenya.

You're overlooking several things:
1. Those birth announcements in the local fish wrappers are there because someone put them there. This wasn't the "legal notices" section of the paper with information supplied by local hospitals or the courts.
2. People born outside of Hawaii later had birth records established in Hawaii.
3. If little pregnant Stanley had gone with Barack Sr to Kenya, had stayed there for a while, had been caught by the sudden birth in Mombasa, and had not been able to get back to Hawaii, do you think any of this happened without the knowledge of her parents or that they would not, even then, see the value of posting an announcement of the birth in a local newspaper in the home town of their daughter?
4. Hawaii admitted, at one point, it had no actual birth certificate.
5. Abercrombie said he could find no birth certificate.
6. There was supposed to have been some sort of document in there, no longer available but not a birth certificate, relating to the circumstances of his birth.
7. The number and date of the purported birth certificate(s) are asynchronous with the numbers and dates on other birth certificates on those days.
8. The many other screwy things about the second "birth certificate" and its provenance.
All these are more consistent with a foreign birth, a record of some sort after the fact that really didn't make a whole lot of difference, and then a more recent attempted coverup and forgery of a document when it did make a whole lot of difference.
35 posted on 05/20/2012 6:39:32 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: pookie18

I read an article today detailing a debate between Alan Keyes and Obama in 2004 for Illinois US Senator seat. There is no denial from Obama when accused of not being a NBC. Is this true? Of course, the AP articles appear to have been scrubbed regarding the incident.


36 posted on 05/20/2012 6:40:12 AM PDT by linedrive
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To: pookie18
My suspicion is that Mr. Obama manipulated his birthplace intentionally (and cynically) to take advantage of certain benefits unavailable to those born in the United States.

This is a silly theory. I have worked with many university students from foreign countries. The admissions office cannot just "let them in" if students merely "say" they were born abroad.

Foreign students must have a visa stamped in their non-U.S. passport, as well as an I-20 form issued by the university, which expires when the student graduates or goes back to his/her country. Universities must comply with tough immigration laws when admitting foreign students, and the students themselves have to pay fees and fill out a lot of forms. There would be a long paper trail of documents that would have been checked carefully during the admission process.

I doubt that a lazy student like Barack would put in all that effort just to get admitted to university as a foreign student. In addition, he would have to show official transcripts from a school in his "home" country. I don't think an 18 year old Obama could pull it off.

By the way, what "benefits" do foreign students get? To most universities, these students are cash cows to be exploited. They usually have to pay full, non-resident tuition, insurance and other fees to the universities. They can't get government loans and have to jump through a lot of hoops just to get admitted.

Barack Obama is master of deception; however, the idea that he could enroll in a university as a foreign student by merely stating that he was born abroad is preposterous.

37 posted on 05/20/2012 6:40:39 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: pookie18

Release Obama’s Alien Registration file with US Dept of Homeland Security. His background bio will become crystal clear.


38 posted on 05/20/2012 6:41:06 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (What would MacGyver do?)
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To: pookie18

Wow......the media has done a good job!
There has been a major law enforcement department that has told us that the two pieces of hard proof that Obama has put forward to the American people...are in fact forgeries....and yet...here is Obama’s new narrative! C;mon people....why does he not have a legit birth certificate? Did they run out of them that week? Snap out of it patriots....we are being lied to.
I am so amazed by my fellow Americans.....And I am highly suspect of the new people at Brietbart and their motive for forming this new narrative. Andrew Brietbart must have truly been silenced.


39 posted on 05/20/2012 6:42:35 AM PDT by astratt7 (obama,muslim,politics)
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To: pookie18

Just for entertainment’s sake, check out the comments at ABC (672 as of this morning).

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/born-kenya-obamas-literary-agent-misidentified-birthplace-1991/comments?type=story&id=16372566#.T7jy2LTiETD


40 posted on 05/20/2012 6:44:36 AM PDT by sueQ
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To: pookie18
Contemporary newspaper listings in Honolulu, for example, list the time and place of his birth. While this isn't ironclad proof, to be sure, it's good enough for me.

I will never, never understand why that is proof of anything other than the string of characters was printed in a newspaper.

I was not born in a hospital. My birth certificate is stamped DELAY. My parents registered my birth weeks later. All the state registrar had to go on was their word -- does the registrar care enough to verify with a hospital? Does the newspaper double check with a hospital for each state-registrar listed hospital birth?

One thing I do know for sure because it was on the front page of a newspaper (that's different) is that Gov. Thomas Dewey of New York was elected president in 1948!

I heard audio of both Mr. Trump and Dr. Corsi saying that there is no record of Obama's mother being admitted to a hospital at that time. Does HIPAA make it a crime to acknowledge that so-and-so was in a hospital? If the proof is there, release it.. "all we are saying is give release a chance."

41 posted on 05/20/2012 6:45:50 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: bigdaddy45

Simply wanting Obama to be a US citizen would have been enough for his family to announce and register his birth in Hawaii.

I think the Canadian birth scenario is as likely as the Kenyan one.


42 posted on 05/20/2012 6:49:25 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: TheCipher

I wonder why we have not heard more about this before?

IMO, this guy was either born in Kenya or he was the genesis of the recently removed from the airways show called “V”. Frankly, he looks like a reptile anyway so I guess he is an ET.

If nothing else, all this proves is this guy is a grifter and has been the eqaul of a carney barker since he gained maturity.


43 posted on 05/20/2012 6:50:03 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: ml/nj; bigdaddy45; butterdezillion

Butterdezillion and some others have done incredible research on the birth announcements. It has been proven that they are fraudulent and were inserted into the microfilm. She can explain it in detail or better, rather than explaining for the umpteenth time, direct you to where you can read about it.

The research done was meticulous and undeniably convincing. No one has ever seen an actual newspaper with those announcements. They were inserted into microfilm.


44 posted on 05/20/2012 6:52:20 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: no-to-illegals
Would the clintoons back off if enough money was offered?

No. First of all, I have never thought the Clintons were particular interested in money. They are power and influence driven. Second of all, any money that was offered them for silence would be dwarfed by the money (and power and influence) they would both receive if Hillary were POTUS. Thirdly, the information would have been leaked by someone out of spite or retribution.

45 posted on 05/20/2012 6:54:35 AM PDT by randita
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To: pookie18

Whether he was lying then, or is lying now, is irrelevant. The point is he is a liar. Regardless of his place of birth, he is a dual-citizen at best and ineligible for the office he holds. He has no pure allegiance to this nation -- his failure as a president is simply a symptom of that condition.


46 posted on 05/20/2012 6:56:01 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: pookie18; 9YearLurker

Please see my comment above about butterdezillion’s and others’ research. The birth announcement was inserted at some later date into microfilm. It is fake.


47 posted on 05/20/2012 6:58:31 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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48 posted on 05/20/2012 7:00:31 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: randita
but mention Kenya and voila, the university has its loophole.

More like a sinkhole.

The university would have to comply with numerous immigration regulations and file all kinds of documents in order to admit a foreign student. The university would also have to be responsible for the student while he was in the U.S. and make sure that the student has the required visa and paperwork to study here.

Why would Occidental College go through all of this, just to get around the Bakke decision?

49 posted on 05/20/2012 7:06:37 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: bigdaddy45
not conspiratorial enough to believe that his grandparents put the listings in

Why do you limit the possibilities to Obama's grandparents?

50 posted on 05/20/2012 7:08:42 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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