Skip to comments.Hawaii won’t send official confirmation of Obama’s birth to Arizona because it can’t
Posted on 05/20/2012 8:10:36 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
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Really? You are puzzled why Rush Limbaugh and others maintain the birth certificate is bona fide?
They have families. Would you endanger your family?
Sources show that he was not born on base. I have never seen documentation that he was.
The only thing that could help is if the next POTUS or so were to push for full a investigation to show this was a fraud, carry it through the courts and then it would not become a precedent overriding the NBC clause. Even then nothing will ever happen to nobama, other than disdain, because our tradition of not prosecuting our past Presidents, regardless of their actions.
Personally, I will just be happy as a lark to be shed of the SOB.
Any person born to US Citizen parents serving overseas should automatically be considered a natural born cizen
This would be an inhuman disgrace if it was not true
Over the years, millions of Americans have been born abroad to parents in the military, the diplomatic corps or other government postings, plus the business expats, academics, and tourists who didn't get home in time. To my knowledge, no one prior to the Obama controversy has ever suggested that the born-abroad children of two U.S. citizen parents were not natural born citizens.
Maybe I'm wrong. Do the military and the State Department have advisories out to their personnel to the effect that their children will be disqualified if born overseas?
I don't think so.
I agree with every word of that.
I don’t care who Tribe/Olson are. Never hear of these idiots. They are wrong.
Alfred E. Newman has more credibility than those two misinformed...whoever they are.
In fact, I dont know why I am even having this conversation with you and your two friends, Tribe/Olson.
You and they dont know zero zilch about this place to include other places outside the boarders of the United States.
The State Department says it's an unsettled issue. I don't think U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual qualifies as an advisory to their personnel, however.
7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency
a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural- born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.
b. Section 1, Article II, of the Constitution states, in relevant part that No Person except a natural born Citizen...shall be eligible for the Office of President.
c. The Constitution does not define "natural born". The Act to establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization||, enacted March 26, 1790, (1 Stat. 103,104) provided that, ...the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born ... out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.
d. This statute is no longer operative, however, and its formula is not included in modern nationality statutes. In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.
Ref post #42.
Thank you, houeto.
Unfortunately, I know this group does not know how to read. And this is only after more than 3 years of posting the same document.
But thank you very much though.
ce n’est pas probleme
Dead on the money ladyjane. That is just the reason I believe for the ‘conservative’ talking heads not following up on anything on this and slamming the ‘birthers’ for 4 years. The PTB probably sent ‘em all a copy of the Zapruder tape with a little note: “We took out the most powerful and protected man on earth in 1963, an American president. You and your little pissant families would be child’s play. You WILL NOT speak of this subject on your little radio and TV shows. Got it? Any questions? No? Good. Remember.......you are being watched”.
[sources i reviewed stated he was born on the US base, which would be US soil.]
He was born at the public hospital in Colon about 1.5km from the PCZ. The naval hospital wasn’t built until a few years later.
Hawaii's rules are irrelevant when it comes to official requests from other states.
Article VI Clause 2:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
Arizone has "full faith and credit" to ask for the public records of Hawaii.
Article IV Section 1:
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
Unless Congress has acted to define how the records are shared, Arizona is entitled to access to Hawaii's public records so that Arizona can comply with its own state's election processes.
“ce nest pas probleme”
Thank you again.
“He was born at the public hospital in Colon about 1.5km from the PCZ. The naval hospital wasnt built until a few years later.”
Thank you bjorn14.
There are few of us here who know the real story.
I suggest you google Ted Olson and Lawrence Tribe to see who they are. Their opinion has far more weight than yours.
FYI: I have lived 25 years of my adult life abroad. You need to get better informed.
SevenOfNine is decidedly an odd poster, I suspect she's a foreign national here in America. She is most famous in the earlier days with uttering "RRRRAAAAAACKKKK ITTTTTT" quite often ....
But that's not the point. How are you going to sign up just recently and come out swinging against so many people? Are you itching to be banned or somethin'?
ok, so not on American soil. of course, it becomes a grey area if there was no location on US soil to be born (well, without proper facilities that is). and since the US govt asked both parents to be stationed there... tough call on whether or not to allow for the technicality. grey area.
but both parents were US citizens at the time.
0bama is different. potentially being born on US soil... BUT... only ONE citizen parent. not much room for a grey area.
if he is allowed... you might as well let arnold or miley cyrus on the ticket.
Ah yes .one last comment from me to you .
Ted Olson is the idiot who was married to our wonderful Freeper sister, Barbara Olson (BKO|), who perished in the plane crash against the Pentagon on 9/11.
He is now out of the closet as a full-blown leftist (which he always was).
For quoting people, your choices are truly remarkable.
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