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Should Black America Get Reparations?
NewsOne For Black America ^ | May 16, 2012 | Kirsten West Savali

Posted on 05/29/2012 12:30:03 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t believe that my people, late arriving 20th century Danish immigrants, owe the African-Americans anything! In fact, I’d be willing to match my family’s contributions to this nation, and, its security, against any family!

From my limited perspective, 40 acres and a mule won’t do anyone, not interested in hard work of the “manual labor” kind, a darn bit of good. Just seems to be just another empty symbol! Besides, has anyone ever been around horse flies and manure on a hot summer day!!??

No, I say, examine the 60 years of really crappy public policy (social engineering) that has driven black men from their homes and families. Examine policy that rewards “out of wedlock births”, unacceptably high abortion rates and the entitlement mentality over policies fostering a sense of self-worth, thrift, modesty, self-control and the value of human life!


51 posted on 05/29/2012 4:35:04 AM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Like Elizabeth Warren I’m 1/32 indian so I’m off the hook.


52 posted on 05/29/2012 4:35:18 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"What say you?"

Well I used to be dead set against any such notion but recently I've Warmed to the idea BUT I think we should give Reparations to anyone who feels they got a Raw Deal here in the USA.

Those Reparations would be given in the form of a Plane ticket to any country they choose and 50K cash. The only requirement to be eligible for the reparations is that they officially renounce their citizenship and they are never allowed to return here.

Now it sounds costly but in the long run it would be sooo much cheaper and eliminate over half the problems we have here in America.

53 posted on 05/29/2012 4:36:41 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Democrats have already blocked reparations for blacks.

What’s the point in bringing it up now?


54 posted on 05/29/2012 4:39:50 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Westbrook
Sure.

One million dollars each, plus a free one-way ticket to the African paradise of their choice.

However, they must renounce their US citizenship and leave their American passport when they turn in their boarding pass.

Get out of my head!

That's nearly word-for-word what my response was going to be, but I was going to offer first-class accommodations on their chosen method of travel.

55 posted on 05/29/2012 5:13:04 AM PDT by whd23 (Every time a link is de-blogged an angel gets its wings.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Reparations?

He!l no.

A large number of black freemen owned slaves themselves.
How do you sort our who was slave and slaveowner?
There were also several all black confederate regiments. In the Northern Black Regiments, the officers were white; in the Southern Black Regiments, the officers were black.
Nevr heard of a black confederate regiment? Try the Louisiana Native Guard. Actually there were 2 Louisiana native Guard Regiments, one fought for the Confederacy and the other fought for the Union.

No reparations.


56 posted on 05/29/2012 5:24:11 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End the racist, anti-capitalist Obama War On Freedom.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Any black who was promised 40 acres and a mule should get them.

Then they should be back-billed for the trillions of dollars in welfare expenses they’ve cost since Lyndon Johnson drove them back onto the plantation.


57 posted on 05/29/2012 5:27:49 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How about a one way ticket to the African nation of their choice?


58 posted on 05/29/2012 5:34:01 AM PDT by csmusaret (Obama's new slogan: "Fo Mo Mo Fo.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hell no. Through trillions of dollars of welfare transfer payments that “debt” has been paid long ago.

I have long advocated doing a financial analysis of how much better blacks are in the U.S. than they would be if there hadn’t been slavery. Take the average wage for blacks in the U.S. and subtract that from the average wage of blacks in Africa. Write a check for the difference and STFU.


59 posted on 05/29/2012 5:39:21 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
After more than 40 years of the "Great Society" and trillions of dollars worth of taxpayer debt incurred to pay for it, race riots, cities devastated by mismanagement and governmental malfeasance, rampant violent crime ... I think it's time to ask the real question:

Should "White" America Get Reparations?

60 posted on 05/29/2012 5:42:15 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Jim Noble
If Farrakhan wants to talk...

Farrakhan should lecture his hero Castro on racism.

Racism in Cuba
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page21.htm

61 posted on 05/29/2012 5:56:01 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Jim Noble
Louis Farrakhan, Santiago de Cuba, February, 1998:
"There is not a member of the black masses in the United States who is not proud of the example set by Cuba and its revolution, with Comandante Fidel at its head"

Source: http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/farakhan21898.html#says
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"Minister Farrakhan and his delegation met privately with President Fidel Castro of Cuba."
http://www.finalcall.com/media/cuba/
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Unity generates power to change reality
By the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan

"The time has never been more ripe for a strategic relationship between the Black, Brown, Native American and the poor of this nation and the world."

"We need a Ministry of Defense. Our young men are born soldiers, but they are in the wrong war. They are fighting a war in the streets of America against each other, or they are fighting an unjust war overseas in Afghanistan and Iraq. We need to bring our boys home and put them into the Ministry of Defense, so we can defend our communities, rather than destroy our communities.

We need a Ministry of Art and Culture. We applaud the hip hop community, the leaders of young people all over the world, but I want the young generation of artists to know there is a bigger purpose for art and culture than popping our fingers and shaking our backsides.

Mao Tse Tung, throughout his long march to conquer China, had a billion people whose lives he had to transform. Many of them were victims of opium, drugs and prostitution, like we are. But Mao Tse Tung went to the cultural community and they accepted his idea. Then, through song, dance, poetry, drama, documentaries, movies and books, the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people. China became a world power on the base of culture and the artistic community. If we had a Ministry of Art and Culture in every city, [we'd] create this movement [in the U.S.], we could say to our young people, “What is the idea of the Time and are you reflecting that idea in your songs, dance and music?

We need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce. Do you think that a Millions More Movement should not be involved in the development of Africa, the Caribbean and Central America? ... we need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce that can link the struggle here with Africa and the Caribbean, Central and South America.

Source: FinalCall.com
This is Farrakhan's own "Nation Of Islam" website
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_4328.shtml
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Farrakhan hails Obama as 'hope of entire world'

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Louis Farrakhan, at the annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008: "This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better"..."If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23333598/

Video of Farrakhan's Obama endorsement at the above 'annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008'. Hear him (Farrakhan) call Obama "The Messiah" And speak of "universal change":
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=farrakhan+messiah+obama&aq=0&oq=Farrakhan+messiah
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Farrakhan:

"If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."

"Mao Tse Tung, throughout his long march to conquer China, had a billion people whose lives he had to transform."

62 posted on 05/29/2012 5:56:41 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Another question.
Why should one race be held to account for events that happened generations ago, while another race is not held responsible for what they do today?

Reparations is spreading the wealth around based on race.


63 posted on 05/29/2012 6:09:27 AM PDT by Texas resident (November 6 - Vote Against obama)
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To: Texas resident
Even better question:

Why are we blathering about "race" in the first place? Why are "we" (Who's "we", Kemosabe?) judging people by the colour of their skin, and not the content of their character?

I wonder ...

Are there, maybe, some folks who make a fine living stirring up racial animosity and provoking racial division?

Hmmmmm? Jesse? Al? Louis? Barry?

64 posted on 05/29/2012 6:17:02 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Jim Noble
From The Real Cuba:

"A white woman tourist came to the beach accompanied by a black Cuban male.

They sat on a lounge chair and were chatting. Within a few minutes, a cop showed up and began asking the Cuban black male for his identification.

The cop kept interrogating the Cuban male for several minutes.

Finally, the black Cuban male was forced to leave the beach. No one knows if he was arrested, or just expelled from that public beach for being with a white foreign woman.

Can you imagine the the outrage of the NAACP, Harry Belafonte, Danny Glover, Jesse Jackson, Nelson Mandela and Company if incidents like these happened anywhere else in the world except in Castro's private farm?

In Cuba, the racist and fascist regime of the Castro brothers is allowed to treat Cuban blacks like third class citizens, and none of these hypocrites would say a word."


[security officer escorts black male off beach]

http://www.therealcuba.com/Page21.htm

65 posted on 05/29/2012 6:19:22 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Every single slave alive in America, including tax-slaves should be entitled to reparations.


66 posted on 05/29/2012 6:21:28 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Reparations were paid in the form of BLOOD on a thousand battlefields from Bull Run to Appomattox. Half a million men gave their lives or limbs over the curse of Slavery on one side or the other.

The debt has been paid in full.


67 posted on 05/29/2012 6:46:22 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Anything Goes, Phantom of the Opera, Nice work if you can get it, EVITA. On BROADWAY last week.!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Any American who has ever owned one or more slaves should be required to pay reparations.

Any American who has never owned a slave should not.

68 posted on 05/29/2012 6:57:44 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: cpa4you
>I don’t believe that my people, late arriving 20th century Danish immigrants, owe the African-Americans anything!<

And neither do those of us whose families founded the country to which your kin emigrated owe anyone alive today more money. Minorities today have many advantages for advancement. They only have to do like everyone else - work hard in school, look presentable, and then be willing to take and work at a job. Heaven forbid we expect them to be productive members of society.

Nobody alive today should be remotely held financially responsible for the actions of their distant ancestors.

69 posted on 05/29/2012 6:59:17 AM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is one of the most absurd ideas ever. How can someone who never owned a slave,and was born 75 to 100 years after slavery ended be responsible for what their ancestors may or may not have done 150 years ago or more? My ancestors were poor southern farmers who did not own slaves. Trying to determine which black people were descendants of slaves and which white people were descendants of slave owners would be a bureaucratic nightmare of enormous proportions. If they want to see the cost of their freedom, take them to Gettysburg, Antietam, Bull Run, or Chancellorsville. I’ve had racism, attempts at white guilt, and black victim mentality up to my eyeballs. Maybe all of the “descendants of slaves” owe reparations to the family members of American soldiers who fought for their freedom!


70 posted on 05/29/2012 7:11:58 AM PDT by Freestate316
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Should Black America receive reparations from the U.S. government for slavery?”

They have been receiving reparations since LBJ and the Great Society created the welfare state. About 45 years now. I’d say reparations have been paid.


71 posted on 05/29/2012 7:41:11 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Get a bill for reparations, yes. How much are they going to pay me? We have spent trillions on them and have got nothing in return.


72 posted on 05/29/2012 8:06:13 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

P.S. The first black slave owner in the New World was...a black man. Suprise!


73 posted on 05/29/2012 8:07:32 AM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sherman had no legal authority to take private property from some people and give it to others.

Congress could have appropriated money to buy property from the former slaveholders. The main reason Reconstruction didn't last longer than it did was the lack of support for it in the North (since the former Confederate states were excluded from Congress for several years)--it was a political loser for candidates running for office in Northern states.

Even if massive amounts had been spent setting up former slaves as small farmers, would that have solved the problem? Lots of whites with small farms in those days struggled to survive, and most of their descendants eventually gave up farming. How many poor blacks of today would be rich if their great-great-great-grandfather had been given 40 acres and a mule in 1865?

Long-term success comes from earning it--not from being given a lot of money.

74 posted on 05/29/2012 10:43:48 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not only no, but HELL NO!!!

Next question?


75 posted on 05/29/2012 11:02:59 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The second half of Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell points out that slavery existed as an accepted institution worldwide and throughout recorded history.

The Epistle to Philemon is a letter from Saint Paul to a slaveowner imploring, almost demanding, that he forgive his runaway slave:

10 I appeal to you for my child [j] Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my [k]imprisonment,
11 who formerly was useless to you, but now is useful both to you and to me.
12 I have sent him back to you in person, that is, sending my very heart,
13 whom I wished to keep with me, so that on your behalf he might minister to me in my [l] imprisonment for the gospel;
14 but without your consent I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will.
Sowell says that the institution of slavery was so accepted that there did not exist any literature defending the institution until it came under attack and was defended in the American South.

Sowell Points out that behind the leadership of William Wilberforce, Britain became antislavery in the era of the founding of the US. And that Britain maintained a squadron of its navy off the coast of Africa for no purpose other than the altruistic motive of suppressing the slave trade. Christianity did not immediately delegitimate the institution of slavery - but no one but Christians ever delegitimated slavery as an institution. And, among Christians it was historically Protestants in the forefront of opposition to the institution, and among Protestants it was English speaking Protestants who were in the lead. The institution basically was delegitimated in the Nineteenth Century because of the influence of the British Empire.

And, of course, the American Civil War. The conclusion is that if you are enslaved, even if those who are enslaving you are themselves Christians with rifles, you don’t look to any other demographic than Christians with rifles to free you.

I favor reparations be paid to any surviving slaves, and any descendants of those slaves who can prove that they would even exist without the institution of slavery. I put it to you that no living American can make that claim with any assurance. The Butterfly Effect says that although there would be people in America if there hadn’t been any slavery here long ago, none of the people now living are descended from the same parents who would have married and had children in an alternate universe without the institution of slavery, and the resultant civil war, in America. Our grandparents would not even have met, even in the unlikely event that their own parents did meet and marry.

Do black Americans imagine that, absent America and the unfortunate slave trade of the Seventeenth Century, Africa today would have all the people it does today and all of black America as well? Do they imagine that their unfortunate ancestors enslaved in America were worse off than those who were imported into Muslim countries in vast numbers but not permitted to reproduce, thereby leaving no descendants in those Muslim countries?

76 posted on 05/29/2012 11:11:24 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What say you?

Never owned a slave. I'm many generations removed from slave owners. I don't know anyone who is a slave. I don't know anyone who isn't many generations removed from being a slave.

I did grow up in the segregated south, but that was something adults concerned themselves with. All us kids cared about was if you could catch, hit or pitch when picking teams.

I'm not buying Savali's scam. Unless by "slavery" she means the successive generations of poor blacks in the south who have been trapped into welfare and public housing and told by the govt that they can not better themselves unless they stay on the Democrats welfare-plantation. If *that's* what she means, she should probably try suing the Democrats, herself and all the other race-hustlers who've worked *damned* hard to keep themselves "enslaved" as such.
77 posted on 05/29/2012 11:38:58 AM PDT by jaydee770
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Boat tickets back to Africa seems fair.


78 posted on 05/29/2012 11:53:26 AM PDT by bfree (OBAMI IS THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let’s do it.

Every intact black family is more than welcome to receive reparations. When the rest of the culture learns how to succeed on their own, then we can take further action.

That ought to limit the liability of another entitlement program.


79 posted on 05/29/2012 12:19:17 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
There were some Christian groups which began to object to slavery before Wilberforce.

The Spanish crown tried to protect the Indians from enslavement. The Spanish, of course, then brought people from Africa to be slaves in the New World--but non-Christians only. The Christian/non-Christian distinction was more important than skin color.

The Stono uprising in colonial South Carolina seems to have involved slaves who were from the kingdom of Kongo (roughly modern Angola) who had been Catholics before being enslaved, who hoped to get to Spanish Florida where they hoped to be recognized as free because of their religion. They didn't manage to get that far.

80 posted on 05/29/2012 1:06:19 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: BuffaloJack

I’m glad you brought up the issue of Blacks who owned slaves.

There were thousands of black slave owners in this country. There were even black slave breeders who sold their own children into slavery. IIRC the first black to be freed became a big slave owner.


81 posted on 05/29/2012 1:12:08 PM PDT by ladyjane
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