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1 posted on 06/07/2012 7:52:22 AM PDT by MichCapCon
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Something for year round union factory workers to take note of. You ain't crap in the eyes of the oh so superior teachers.

If anyone wants to be added to the Michigan Cap Con ping list, let me know.
2 posted on 06/07/2012 7:55:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: MichCapCon

Can I observe that words have meaning?

They are saying that good people won’t go into education because they don’t want to live like paupers. What the heck kind of word choice is that?

So, 40 grand a year is living like a pauper? I agree that such a person is not getting rich, but such a person is not a pauper. What the heck are they talking about?

And this pauper can make up to 72 grand along with a benefit package after a number of years on the job. That’s living as a pauper, so people will not want those jobs? Really????

I must be missing something somewhere.


3 posted on 06/07/2012 7:58:27 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: MichCapCon
The superintendent asked "how do you justify" someone with no education going to the auto industry and making $33,000 a year with someone with a bachelor’s degree with college loans who makes a similar salary.

Well, if you ask teachers they'll tell you how important their work is, how it's more of a "calling" than a vocation like the rest of schlubs, that they're on a higher level, sacrificing their needs for the good of the community. In fact, most government workers will give you that spiel.

4 posted on 06/07/2012 7:59:21 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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You can tell that Mr. Wilson has never worked in a factory if he thinks that teachers are going to be leaving for factory jobs.


6 posted on 06/07/2012 8:00:52 AM PDT by iowamark
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"If there were an open market for teachers, high-performing ones would probably be compensated better than they currently are," Van Beek said. "The problem is that union contracts distort the teacher labor market and prohibit schools from paying good teachers more. All teachers are paid the same regardless of their performance, and this artificially reduces the wages of the best teachers."

I was going to post words to this effect when I saw that it was already in the article. Good teachers are GOLD to our society. They should be paid extremely well. The problem is that "teacher pay" is monolithic, unlike pay in any other profession. If all doctors made the same amount, the drive to be a better doctor would be minimal. If all baseball players made the same amount, no one would bother practicing. UNIONS ARE THE PROBLEM
7 posted on 06/07/2012 8:01:45 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: MichCapCon

It’s the Supt position that is worthless.

What, exactly, does this loser do that couldn’t be duplicated with greater sucess by a Class of 1948 High School Grad?

Hey Supt, about giving up some of your salary so that the teachers (who are the ONLY ones doing any work) get better pay?


9 posted on 06/07/2012 8:05:24 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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Cut the propaganda! Most beginning teachers in WI make $50k PLUS Cadillac health, life, and retirement plans for which they contribute almost nothing. It used to be that they contributed nothing, but Scott Walker changed that so that they now contribute a small amount towards those benefits.

I just looked at my Mom’s retirement benefit (CA teacher). She’s been retired more than 25 years and she gets zlmost $3000 per month to live on, PLUS quarterly payments of another $3000. Not too shabby, I’d say.

In WI the teachers retire at 50 and go back to work at the same job, same classroom the next day collecting pay PLUS retirement benefits almost equal to their pay. Not too shabby.

I defy you to find a factory job that has anything like that.


10 posted on 06/07/2012 8:08:28 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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I would have loved to stay home full time with my 3.....these jerks really are just over the top....

if this teacher is so dang smart and talented, let him go find that job that requires only 8-9 months of work, fantastic benefits, and pension, and gets assured that he'll never be fired, ever...

arrogant....

btw...the superintendent just wants his paycheck to increase...the more we have to pay the underlings, the more he'll demand...

11 posted on 06/07/2012 8:09:07 AM PDT by cherry
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Perhaps if teachers were permitted to enforce discipline in the classroom and TEACH foundational tools of life, rather than indoctrinate a liberal agenda, the career field would be more appealing?


13 posted on 06/07/2012 8:11:23 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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This article is full of half-truths.

I live in NY, a state very much like MI. For one, teachers’ salaries may start at the level, but they do rise with seniority. Also, they get excellent benefits. Of course, they only work 8 months per year. Most teachers I know also have summer jobs.

Regardless of what he says, personnel costs are 70-75%% of our local district year budget

Moreover, teachers (or their unions) have chosen to have MANY teachers vs. having fewer with higher pay. Again, here in our NY district, we have a teacher for everything. Computer room? Teachers needed. Guidance counselors? 4 for 400 seniors. Librarians? Several. PE teachers and coaches - many!


15 posted on 06/07/2012 8:14:34 AM PDT by PGR88
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I call BS. I started out as a teacher with a stay at home wife at 28K a year.

Stop complaining.


19 posted on 06/07/2012 8:21:13 AM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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$40,530 / 9 = $4,503.33 * 12 = $54,040 a year. $33280 / $54,040 = 61.5% of the teacher’s salary.

What this superindent is whining about is that he wants to steal more money from a person making 28.5% less than a teacher so that the teacher can make more. In other words, he wants to WIDEN the income gap. Hypocricy, thy name is MEA.


21 posted on 06/07/2012 8:37:50 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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I think Superintendent salaries need to be raised so we get some who are brighter than Ron Wilson.

Ron, send some of your teachers down south. I can probably help them get factory jobs for $10. an hour with no health insurance or retirement.


24 posted on 06/07/2012 8:54:08 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: MichCapCon
Because there is no longer physical discipline allowed in public schools, two of my friends quit their teaching careers after the second time both were spit on by their students. I guess one could say the job didn't pay enough to put up with that.
25 posted on 06/07/2012 9:21:05 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: MichCapCon

Factory work produces something useful for society...


27 posted on 06/07/2012 9:27:56 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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According to the district's union contract, that teacher would make $40,530 a year. Wilson said the teacher’s children are eligible for the reduced/free lunch program.

40 grand sounds like a pretty decent salary to me. Certainly, they're not getting rich, but neither are they paupers.

If they can't get by - perhaps it's time for the wife to work? Or the teacher to take a 2nd, summer job? Or the family to move? Or the teacher to find a higher paying gig? Or any number of other options?

But no. It's easier to sit and whine about the consequences of your decisions.

28 posted on 06/07/2012 9:58:21 AM PDT by wbill
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