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Obama's family fraudulent identity.
Myself | June 11, 2012 | Myself

Posted on 06/11/2012 5:41:04 AM PDT by plenipotentiary

Both Barack Obama II and Stanley Ann Dunham are invented personas.

A male child was born, probably son of Malcolm X and an unknown woman possibly Jo Ann Newman (per Martha Trowbridge). The childs father knew his days were numbered so to protect his only son he arranged with his Muslim and Communist contacts, to have him brought up in Indonesia under the protection of President Sukarno. He was a member of the Presidents extended family and under the direct protection of a high ranking Indonesian special forces officer, Pak Lolo Soetoro (which was probably not his real name). Soetoro did have a wife, and Obama believed her to be his mother, but she was not.

Sukarno was removed from power in March 1967.

In 1971, Obama II was moved to Hawaii, at that point the character of Stanley Ann Dunham was created (the birth certificate they use is illegible and that indicates that it does not support the created identity, and therefor everything after that in her story is also false) to allow a connection with communist agents, the Dunham family, and allow Obama II to be mentored in Communism by Frank Marshall Davis. The Dunhams probably had a son called Stanley Armour Dunham Junior (fate unknown). They initially changed the first names to Shirley Ann, and then ridiculously to Stanley Ann Dunham. SAD was never in Seattle, Why would she go to University there and take a night school or correspondance course)

Obama I was introduce briefy as Obama II's fake father. There probably was a real son of Obama I, but he was sidelined (maybe the Roman Obama who was stranded in KGB training school in Moscow)and the person we now know as Barack Obama II took his identity.

Obama II is a creature of the KGB and the Muslim Brotherhood, who both share aims to impose their way of life on the USA.


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To: Fred Nerks
I notice you didn’t ask if there was anything you could do to help.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

If his real mother is already known why the hell would I want to waste my time looking for what's already known and is being concealed from the public?!

401 posted on 06/19/2012 3:36:51 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah

Don’t bother yourself over it, I’m getting really tired of those who make demands and thump the table, and then when something of interest is placed on a forum, do their best to be as destructive as possible. There are no end of reasons why the efforts of so many were being conducted in the background.
Capice?

btw, there is one blog that is devoted to pure research, and if a disrupter shows up, he’s gone within seconds. FOR ANYONE SERIOUSLY WANTING TO CATCH UP:

http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/

I’m no blog pimp...but there are facts and timelines here every freeper should know and they are quickly accessable.


402 posted on 06/19/2012 3:37:42 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: plenipotentiary

You forgot the part about the mother ship.


403 posted on 06/19/2012 3:45:52 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks for the link, I think I have it buried some where but forgot. Will visit.


404 posted on 06/19/2012 3:50:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: philman_36

Okay, so a general “don’t let the enemy know everything you plan and are up to” should suffice.


405 posted on 06/19/2012 3:52:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: philman_36

Research is still going on, not everything is known. Why are you being so purposely antagonistic? I don’t understand your purpose.


406 posted on 06/19/2012 3:53:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Fred Nerks
Perhaps you could find an Indonesian speaker, for example, there’s some stuff that needs to be translated.
I don't know any Indonesians. I do know a few Pakistanis, but I'm not "friends" with them. They run some of the local convenience stores around here and they might not be willing to cooperate.

So I'll just give you a link instead...TransPerfect

I'm pretty sure you could Google some other translation service company if they're not near you.

407 posted on 06/19/2012 3:56:55 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah
Okay, so a general “don’t let the enemy know everything you plan and are up to” should suffice.
Got ya.

Why are you being so purposely antagonistic?
I'm not being antagonistic. Someone on this site claims to know who the actual "real" mother and extended family are and I simply don't understand what good comes from the continued concealment of that information.

Break the news! Let the world in on it. If he's lied then no way is he getting elected again. If he lied he should be impeached and every piece of legislation he has signed should be overturned and every person appointed should be booted NOW!

If it's guesswork, and nothing more than that, then it should be stated that it's guesswork and nothing more.

That's asking for open honesty, it's not being antagonistic.

408 posted on 06/19/2012 4:04:57 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah; David
And the person making this claim is, from what I understand, a lawyer of some repute!
That's why it makes even less sense not to go public with the information if it's not guesswork.

You are a lawyer of some repute, aren't you David?

409 posted on 06/19/2012 4:17:54 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

It is not guesswork, and I have explained several times why every single fact has not been made public, and a ten year old could see the need.

But this sort of back and forth merely distracts from the substance of the discussion.


410 posted on 06/19/2012 4:19:33 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: philman_36

I have translations that are imperfect to say the least, it’s from AUDIO, the speaker uses a great deal of local idiom, Indonesian appears to be a very strange language, they interchange he and she and call sisters brothers...and automatic translation links are useless, but thank you, they need TEXT, I do not have any.


411 posted on 06/19/2012 4:21:04 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Tagalog is like that, I have a good friend from the PI and in fact talked to her just this morning, she still mixes up “he and she” constantly.


412 posted on 06/19/2012 4:25:46 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Fred Nerks; little jeremiah
And look at the words being used...

There are no end of reasons why the efforts of so many were being conducted in the background.

"...were being conducted...", not are being conducted.

That implies "the efforts" are completed with some results. If they aren't then it would (or should) have been worded in a different manner.

Capice?

413 posted on 06/19/2012 4:26:13 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

If you had read as much of these research threads as I have, you would have read recently, more than one time, that research is still ongoing. Most in the past, since it was started a few years ago, but still ongoing.

It seems you have now adopted the vocation of being a burr under the saddle. Useless to try to communicate with you any more. Too bad.


414 posted on 06/19/2012 4:31:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
It is not guesswork...
And how, pray tell, do you know that? One minute you claim ignorance of many things and the next you're in the know of the biggest secret of the decade.

...I have explained several times why every single fact has not been made public...
I simply don't buy your reasoning. This would be the biggest breaking news story this nation has ever seen.

But this sort of back and forth merely distracts from the substance of the discussion.
This discussion would be a different discussion if the real identity were actually revealed.
This discussion, hell this whole thread, is nothing more than speculation AFAICT.

By your logic, and the logic of others, Jo Ann Newman can't possibly be the "real" mother as that information is being concealed and hasn't been revealed!

415 posted on 06/19/2012 4:35:57 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Nerks
Sorry about that, Fred. Not too many foreigners here in podunk, backwater Texas.
Houston would be my next best resource and that's 90 miles away.
416 posted on 06/19/2012 4:40:00 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah
If you had read as much of these research threads as I have...
I have read these research threads. I've even offered some suggestions on a few of them.

It seems you have now adopted the vocation of being a burr under the saddle.
I haven't adopted any new vocation. I'm always a burr in the saddle. I've pretty much been a burr in the saddle since I got here.

That you consider me antagonistic or argumentative isn't my problem.
Something was presented which I questioned. I still question it just as I question your reasoning as to why such information, if real and known, hasn't been released.
If that doesn't set well in your bonnet then please accept my apologies. I won't stop questioning things and if that means we don't talk again then fine by me. No sweat off my "body parts".

417 posted on 06/19/2012 4:49:20 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

The work is ongoing. What is past tense has been forwarded, present tense is currently being compiled.
And everything you have read in any comments made on FR is from material that is generally available and totally public.
There are no secrets. The group found nothing you could not have found yourself if you had taken the trouble to look.

You can offer to assist or continue to make snide comments, I really don’t care - I am an Australian and your attitude leaves an awful lot to be desired, but that’s nothing new, I am being lambasted as a subversive on various other threads.

There are freepers circulating private mails accusing me of being deliberately misleading because I’m from the ‘other side’ - and you wonder why I don’t name names?

I can’t even trust some freepers on this site who have known me for more than nine years! I wouldn’t tell you the time of day after this.


418 posted on 06/19/2012 4:49:48 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
And everything you have read in any comments made on FR is from material that is generally available and totally public.
Well that obviously isn't a correct statement and you know it. A claim was made as to who the "real" mother is and that the name is being concealed. It can't be Newman as that name has been revealed and the family is, supposedly, not influential at all.

So you show me where the "real" mother's identity has been made public.

419 posted on 06/19/2012 5:02:39 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Well, that’s a little more like it, and thank you, we did have a contact in Jakarta, a freeper...who said he would do it, but he moved to Malaysia and never wrote back. Someone will pop up eventually I hope.


420 posted on 06/19/2012 5:04:12 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
I wouldn’t tell you the time of day after this.
I don't need you to, I have a watch and a clock.
421 posted on 06/19/2012 5:04:27 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: plenipotentiary
I don't really consider myself to be a “birther” just sort of hopeful that he will be found out to be a total fraud and kicked out of the WH by whatever means.

But this strikes me as just so much BS and crazy talk.

422 posted on 06/19/2012 5:06:37 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Fred Nerks
Well, that’s a little more like it, and thank you...

See, now we're back to you'll be considering me a sphincter again 'cause you'll read my smart ass quip above and we're right back to you not ever telling me the time of day again 'cause of lag time between reading and posting.

423 posted on 06/19/2012 5:08:28 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Nerks
...present tense is currently being compiled.

So in a round about way you're saying that it should never have even been mentioned that the real mother's name was known until all of the information was compiled?

424 posted on 06/19/2012 5:13:45 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
...from material that is generally available and totally public.

That's what I wrote, because that's where we found it, and you could have found it too, had you bothered to read the published material carefully as some did.

For an example, can you tell me when the baby-sitter in Seattle said she baby-sat for Anna Obama? Can you tell me how old her own daughter was when that supposed period was?

I am totally tired of this exchange btw, you are accusing me of withholding information that you could have found yourself, and DEMANDING I tell the same story, post the same links I have been posting for YEARS, and each time I did, most of the time all I got back was stupid three-liners about how Frank Marshall Davis was his father and/or Madelyn had an affair with him, or Stanley Armour Dunham had a relationship with a barmaid and he brought the kid home for Madelyn to look after like it was a stray cat!

Take a good look at yourself, before you criticise me. I've had it up to the neck. I'm going mushrooming in Tassie and might never bother to come back. Mushrooms make more sense.

425 posted on 06/19/2012 5:22:38 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: philman_36

YES.


426 posted on 06/19/2012 5:27:45 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
"...from material that is generally available and totally public."

That's what I wrote, because that's where we found it...
So the name of his "real" mother is to be found in the public domain? Then simply give a link.
Since you've cut and pasted so many images over the years surely one more link wouldn't be too much to ask.

For an example, can you tell me when the baby-sitter in Seattle said she baby-sat for Anna Obama?
According to you...But we do know, from Mary the baby-sitter, that she baby-sat for ANNA OBAMA in January 1961, when her own daughter, who was born in July 1959, was 18 months old.
Anna Obama was NOT Stanley Ann Dunham. When the child Mary babysat was conceived, SAD was still in high school (somewhere) and the Dunhams had not yet arrived in Hawaii.

So who is Anna Obama?

See, I have kept up. And I can find stuff if I haven't kept up.

427 posted on 06/19/2012 5:37:59 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Nerks
...you are accusing me of withholding information that you could have found yourself...
I've read so much stuff it's mind boggling! I've even waded through your mountains of stuff!

You say Anna Obama isn't Stanley Ann Dunham yet you don't say anywhere who Anna Obama really is!

428 posted on 06/19/2012 5:41:34 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Ditter

“But this strikes me as just so much BS and crazy talk.”

Post of the day.

And I AM a birther. A big time birther from way back, but this theory is twaddle, pure and simple.


429 posted on 06/19/2012 5:47:14 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fred Nerks
And see, this is where you throw me totally for a loop...

I said..."So in a round about way you're saying that it should never have even been mentioned that the real mother's name was known until all of the information was compiled?"

To which you replied...YES.

So if it's so important not to let the cat out of the bag that the real name is known then why did you make that statement back in September of 2011?

Is Anna Obama his real mother and, if so, why did you release that information before all of the information was compiled?

430 posted on 06/19/2012 5:51:18 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Nerks
@WHO WAS ANNA OBAMA?

That's you asking that question.

431 posted on 06/19/2012 6:05:37 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36; Brown Deer; PhilDragoo; little jeremiah
I did not say Anna Obama is the 'real mother' but what I did do is repeatedly show there were two little boys - one a little older than the other, one light skinned, one dark, one is shown with his father and Ruth in Kenya, the other is zero. Please don't ask me to go through that again. I really really am tired of repeating myself. I know what to anticapte, a dozen or so experts will show up and tell me that one of the boys is David. There never was a David, a number of people have tried hard to find any evidence that a David existed. No one could find him. Died in a motor accident did he? How very convenient.

HERE'S THE PHOTOGRAPH ONE MORE TIME:

Hasn't it struck anyone yet that if zero and that dark boy were together, it was the older boy who was the son of the kenyan, and that it was his mother who ended up 'the wife from whom he was separated, living in the Philippines' according to the INS documents?

Now watch the smart-a$$es come out of the woodwork. The usual explanation I get is the reason the boy on the left is the spitting image of zero is because his father was the same man. But one of those boys ended up in Kenya, around 1965 or 1966, because that's Ruth there holding Mark, who was born the year after she went to Kenya, in late 1964.

The result is simply that you do not know who zero's parents were or where he was born or when his birthdate is.

The first time you see zero (aside from a baby photo on his own) is in the two little boys image, and then shortly afterwards, Stanley Ann is shown holding him sitting on the fence...and that's why we laughingly call her The Nanny. If they had a photograph of SAD with zero as a baby, we would have seen it by now. She simply wasn't there until the kid was two or three years old, around the same time as the dark boy shows up in Kenya.

Btw, the original of the two little boys was posted by Mark Ndesandjo on his own website and the image, after a short period of showing a similar image that was untinted, (not mauve, but black and white) which made the two boys appear to be the same skin colour, the image of the two little boys has been removed from the website.

Now watch the nay-sayers appear like flies to compost. Their devotion to 'David' is as strong as it is to the Stanley Ann Dunham mother-myth.

It's well past time for an epiphany.

432 posted on 06/19/2012 6:40:39 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fantasywriter

The original vanity is not the same as many of the comments and info on the thread. If you read the whole thread you may see information that is not twaddle.


433 posted on 06/19/2012 6:45:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

I’ve read the entire thread. And you’re right—not all of it is twaddle. Some of the comments on it are mine, and they make very good sense. Some of the other comments do too, so your point is well taken.


434 posted on 06/19/2012 6:51:13 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: philman_36
...So who is Anna Obama?

well, she's obviously the person who was listed in the Seattle directories, whom Charlette Le Fevre maintains she found, and before that, she was mentioned in an article written by Rick Anderson...and we are supposed to accept their identification of her as Stanley Ann Dunham.

435 posted on 06/19/2012 7:01:23 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: philman_36

I just clicked on the link you provided, you’ve got all you are going to get from me, you just caused me to repeat myself one more time, you had all I was EVER prepared to make public while others are still analysing what our research (from sources in the public domain)has shown.
Have you always been such a manipulator? I really could have devoted my time much better than this. This discussion is finished.


436 posted on 06/19/2012 7:09:08 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks; Brown Deer; PhilDragoo; little jeremiah
I did not say Anna Obama is the 'real mother'...
I know! You've skated all around it while implying that the information on the real mother's ID is "generally available and totally public".

The result is simply that you do not know who zero's parents were or where he was born or when his birthdate is.
Yet you've been vociferously telling me to lay off from asking the one person who said they did know the ID of the real mother from revealing who it is.
So why did you interject yourself into the conversation at reply 350 to start with then?

My whole purpose on this thread has been about getting that information out into the public realm from the person who seems to be holding that info!

Your pictures and suppositions are just that...pictures and suppositions.
...the original of the two little boys was posted by Mark Ndesandjo...
And you can't even verify if the pictures are real and aren't photo shopped as they're not "your" pictures to begin with!

437 posted on 06/19/2012 7:15:55 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Nerks
...you just caused me to repeat myself one more time...
I didn't cause you to do a damn thing. You chose of your own accord to repeat yourself. (see psychological conditioning - repetition)

Have you always been such a manipulator?
Have you always been so calculated?

438 posted on 06/19/2012 7:23:05 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Nerks
Oh, look!
You've got the same pics up in a reply from December 20, 2011

I see that your pic source has changed from
http://markobamandesandjo.com/images/341_MarkDavid.jpg to
to...http://wtpotus.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/mark-david-photo-ali.jpg?w=500

439 posted on 06/19/2012 7:38:47 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

You dimwit, that’s because Mark took the images off his webpage. But you can pick it up on Google Images by searching under his name, and one of the first to come up will be the one shown on the WTPOTUS.COM blog.
Them’s pretty strong hooch they makes in Texas, you sees stuff that ain’t there. Get off my case.


440 posted on 06/19/2012 7:44:13 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks; little jeremiah
And look who showed up to tag team with Fred, just like with this thread...little jeremiah!
441 posted on 06/19/2012 7:46:36 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Nerks
Them’s pretty strong hooch they makes in Texas, you sees stuff that ain’t there.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
It seems that despite the strong hooch that I can still read Mark and David in both of those web addresses.

Hey, you believe what you want to believe.

Get off my case.
I haven't even gotten on your case.

Good night, Aussie, it's bedtime here.

442 posted on 06/19/2012 8:04:41 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
161 posted on 12/20/2011 11:02:15 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 159 | View Replies]

You're out of your cotton picking mind. Because I commented on the same thread FN was on in December it's a "tag team"? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

I comment on threads that interest me (sometimes) and don't on threads that don't interest me, and these days not much interests me. You've gone off the deep end. Finito.

443 posted on 06/19/2012 8:34:18 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
All I know is that researchers have not been able to locate any existing Mercer Island yearbooks...

isn't that odd, since according to a newspaper article, fifty some years ago, their 1960 yearbook got second place in a national competition and was put on display at Columbia University.
444 posted on 06/19/2012 10:30:49 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: little jeremiah
Because I commented on the same thread FN was on in December it's a "tag team"?
No, not simply because you commented on the same thread.
445 posted on 06/20/2012 1:19:41 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Brown Deer
...their 1960 yearbook got second place in a national competition and was put on display at Columbia University.
Now isn't that an interesting tidbit of information.
It might lead one to think that the publisher would take great pride in such a thing and keep the original templates around.
446 posted on 06/20/2012 1:22:56 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fred Nerks
If they had a photograph of SAD with zero as a baby, we would have seen it by now. She simply wasn't there until the kid was two or three years old
447 posted on 06/20/2012 2:21:26 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: David; All

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/barack-obamas-mother-was-a-communist/

This link here really got my attention documenting that ozeros supposed mother-who-was-probably-just-a-baby- sitter-sad was indeed a commie.Surprise this link is missing as well!


448 posted on 07/07/2012 7:25:08 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: yldstrk

Oh, and Obama’s real mother is supposed to be Valerie Sarruf, now a British Subject living in London England.


449 posted on 12/31/2012 8:36:48 AM PST by ABrit
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To: plenipotentiary

Oh, and Obama’s real mother is supposed to be Valerie Sarruf, now a British Subject living in London England.


450 posted on 12/31/2012 8:39:15 AM PST by ABrit
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