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Tom Hoefling: "I will shut down every abortion facility in the country"
Tom Hoefling for President 2012 ^ | June 11, 2012 | Tom Hoefling

Posted on 06/11/2012 9:17:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

"All officers of government in this country, in every branch, at every level, have as the first obligation of their sacred oath the protection of all innocent lives within their jurisdiction.

Should I be elected to the office of President of the United States, I will keep my oath.

Justice Blackmun, in Roe vs. Wade, admitted that “of course” the child in the womb is protected by the Fourteenth Amendment, if they are a person.

Since it is self-evident that they are a person, my first act as President, after having sworn the oath, will be to publish a presidential finding to that effect.

My second act will be to ask for the resignation of anyone in the executive branch who will not act accordingly.

My third act will be to order the closing of every abortion facility in the country, as per the explicit, imperative requirement of the Supreme Law of the Land.

'No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.'

'No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.'”

-- Tom Hoefling


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To: driftdiver

The Constitution requires equal protection for the right to life of every person, not “reduced” numbers of immoral, unconstitutional killings.

And the idea that you reduce the numbers of those being butchered by giving up every decent moral, constitutional and legal argument against the killing has always been a cruel farce anyhow.


481 posted on 06/12/2012 3:17:36 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Thanks. :)


482 posted on 06/12/2012 3:19:23 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: EternalVigilance

“The Constitution requires equal protection for the right to life of every person, not “reduced” numbers of immoral, unconstitutional killings.”

The Constitution requires a lot of things. For example it requires the courts to interpret the law and the President to enforce the law.

“And the idea that you reduce the numbers of those being butchered by giving up every decent moral, constitutional and legal argument against the killing has always been a cruel farce anyhow.”

Only in the twilight zone. If a law is passed which reduces the number of abortions by 10,000,000 then you’ve saved 10,000,000 lives.

Incremental change can work both ways if you use it. Trying to hit a home run every single time you’re at bat is a sure way to lose the game.


483 posted on 06/12/2012 3:23:10 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Please show me where the ‘primary’ purpose is defined.

How many times do I have to show you?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."

-- The Declaration of Independence

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

-- The Preamble, or Statement of Purpose, of the United States Constitution

"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."

-- The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution

"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

-- The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

The Constitution limits the office of the President to enforcing current laws.

The Constitution of the United States is not only current, it is supreme.

It doesn’t allow making up his own and creating a military dictatorship.

So how is it that the fulfilling of the primary purpose of American government, the protection of the God-given, unalienable rights of the people, constitutes a "military dictatorship"?

So go read the Constitution.

You might want to take your own advice, since to date, neither you or your fellow critics seem to pay any mind to the Constitution's clear words that I've posted all over this thread.

484 posted on 06/12/2012 3:25:54 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Unfortunately, under the law babies in the womb are not considered persons. Therefor your entire argument is useless. There are other sections to the Constitution besides the preamble. There are also tens of thousands of pages of laws and a couple hundred years of court decisions which impact the meaning of most every word in the Constitution.

The courts have wrongly decided to make abortion legal. That is a fact and its law. If you ignore that law and attempt to use the military to enforce your version of law then you are a wanna be tin pot dictator.

But none of this matters because you have no chance to become elected and if you did you would be impeached the minute you tried to do something like this. Your entire premise is devoid of reality.

Why don’t you spend your time and efforts actually making a difference on the abortion issue? As it is you are simply using this issue as an attempt to further your own personal agenda.

You won’t though, because you don’t get it and probably never will. You have displayed a shocking disregard for the rule of law and a complete ignorance of the Constitution and the Government of this great Republic.


485 posted on 06/12/2012 3:38:22 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
For example it requires the courts to interpret the law and the President to enforce the law.

Typical modern total misunderstanding of our form of government.

The courts are empowered to make decisions in individual cases that come before them, but only according to the Constitution and to all constitutionally-valid laws that have been duly passed by the Congress. They do not have legitimate authority to interpret the Constitution for the officers of any other branch of government, or to dictate its meaning to them. That is up to the officers of the other branches, since such interpretation is absolutely necessary if they are ever to fulfill their own sworn oaths, and to, if necessary, provide a check and balance against one or more of the other branches.

But, I will say, you will make a fine Romney Republican, since he thinks the courts make laws, and thinks that we live in a judicial oligarchy instead of in a constitutional republic.

486 posted on 06/12/2012 3:45:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

So lacking a rational argument you resort to insults. God Bless


487 posted on 06/12/2012 3:47:31 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
The courts have wrongly decided to make abortion legal. That is a fact and its law.

Courts don't make law, and abortion will never be legal.

488 posted on 06/12/2012 3:47:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: driftdiver

If you want to consider it an insult that is up to you. I’m simply pointing out the fact that your position is identical to Romney’s. He has called court decisions law for decades, and continues to do so to this day.


489 posted on 06/12/2012 3:49:45 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Courts interpret law.

Abortion is immoral and against Gods Law, however it is legal within the United States.

Nothing you say or do will change that and nothing you’re doing with save one single solitary baby from being chopped up and sucked out with a vacuum. UNLESS you change your tactics.


490 posted on 06/12/2012 3:50:39 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
As it is you are simply using this issue as an attempt to further your own personal agenda.

My agenda is to stop the daily killing of thousands of innocents in this country, and to restore respect for the foundational principles of our republic. Because, those principles are the basis for our entire form of government and our claim to liberty, and provide the only hope that my kids and grandkids will live in a free country.

An agenda that is obviously not shared these days by the formerly grand old party, I should note. This thread is one more small bit of evidence. You'd have to be willfully closing your eyes to miss it.

491 posted on 06/12/2012 3:57:10 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

“I’m simply pointing out the fact that your position is identical to Romney’s.”

Please post where I have ever said I support abortion. If you can’t I expect your apology.

All rational people realize that the courts interpret the Constitution and subordinate laws. Article III of the Constitution gives the Judicial Branch the power to do so.


492 posted on 06/12/2012 3:59:22 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
however it is legal within the United States

That's not possible, when the supreme law of the land says:

"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."

"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."


493 posted on 06/12/2012 3:59:30 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Using the military to enforce your personal whims upon the civilian population is not a foundational principle of our Republic.


494 posted on 06/12/2012 4:01:30 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
You obviously aren't reading my posts. I said that you agree with Romney that the courts make law. And you do.

But Article One, Section 1 gives that power only to Congress. Which also must act solely according to the Constitution, the supreme law of our land.

495 posted on 06/12/2012 4:04:05 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

“That’s not possible, when the supreme law of the land says: “

Art. III


496 posted on 06/12/2012 4:04:31 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EternalVigilance

again with the insults. I’ve posted numerous times that the courts interpret the law. Sure its abused at times.

Just as you propose the abuse of the executives power. Only your version would destroy the country.


497 posted on 06/12/2012 4:07:00 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

My personal whims? LOL...

Ironic, coming from someone who is arguing a position that is on the side of the personal whims of men superseding God-given, unalienable rights.

Besides, there is no need for the military as long as the civilian authorities, who have all sworn the same oath to support the Constitution (which imperatively requires the equal protection of innocent human life), simply do their jobs.


498 posted on 06/12/2012 4:08:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

yes do their jobs as defined by one person.

sounds familiar, will you personally sign the execution orders like Stalin?


499 posted on 06/12/2012 4:12:41 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

The country is already being destroyed. The practice of abortion not only destroys the child, it destroys a bloodline, AND it destroys constitutional self-government.

Defending the innocent from being butchered by tyrants is not an abuse of executive power. Nothing could be further from the truth. You’ve stood logic and reason on its head.


500 posted on 06/12/2012 4:13:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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