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Why You Absolutely Must Have Food Supplies, Hard Assets and Reserve Cash
SHTF Plan ^ | 6/11/12 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 06/11/2012 5:37:40 PM PDT by Kartographer

The latest warning signs are, once again, popping up in Europe and should be taken seriously, as it is only a matter of time before such events play out in the rest of the world, including right here at home:

Via Adiconsum Italia – Translated via Google

BNI depositors unable to make withdrawals / payments, payments of utility bills, mortgage payments, taxes

Peter Giordano, Adiconsum: “Grave of the Bank of Italy’s attitude that takes action without considering the impact on depositors, and especially on single-income families and pensioners”

The Bank of Italy authorized the suspension of payments by Bank Network Investments SpA (BNI) without communicating anything to the depositors.

Very serious and unacceptable – says Peter Jordan, Secretary General Adiconsum – the attitude of the Bank of Italy SpA in each BNI, because highly prejudicial to the interests of customers.

Bank of Italy, in fact, after extending the receivership of the bank, thus giving the impression of an imminent rescue, then gave the green light for compulsory winding up, without giving any prior notice to the depositors, leaving them in no condition to perform any type of operation, even basic ones for daily survival, such as withdrawals / payments, utilities payments, rates, taxes.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
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To: 1raider1

Your prepper items can also be used during short term fiscal problems. And due to our current depression, many, many people have had short term fiscal problems. So many, many people already know that prepping has already helped them.


51 posted on 06/11/2012 7:58:28 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: familyop

“There will probably be “civil unrest” in at least some of the cities.”

I hope you’re correct in that its limited to minor unrest. Having lived through several hurricanes I don’t agree. Things can go bad very quickly even with a minor hurricane. Criminals seem to like those times to take advantage of others and lots of people do crazy stuff.

BTW, I watched that video. I can’t believe anyone in their right mind would treat a class III weapon like that. They are way too valuable to intentionally destroy.


52 posted on 06/11/2012 8:02:10 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Gabrial; 1raider1

>> “Start with 200 million firearms in private hands.” <<

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That estimate is 22 years old.

More than 100 million firearms have been sold since Obama took office. 500 million or more private arms are a better guess.


53 posted on 06/11/2012 8:02:20 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Medications, especially pain meds and antibiotics, birth control pills, and life-saving drugs like cardiac medications, will be worth more than jewels. Alas, I’m too poor to buy gold or lay away reserves of money, but sometimes I can get medication, and I’m stashing it.


54 posted on 06/11/2012 8:06:53 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: MtnClimber

“Are you a closet communist? Have you ever held a private sector job???? Do your subjects appreciate you? Will you be my subject? I could make you truly miserable while I laugh while I pull the strings, instead of the other way around!”

1. Communist? What is that? Old lady like me doesn’t know.
2. “...held a private sector job?” Is a private sector like a certain part of town?
3. “Do your subjects appreciate you?” I took a lot of subjects in school and I liked them.
4. “Will I be your subject?” What do you teach?
5. “I could make you truly miserable...” I guess you aren’t going to give me a can of soup?

Old ladies like me are kind of nuts. You wouldn’t live very long if you touched my door or window.


55 posted on 06/11/2012 8:14:27 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: carriage_hill

First thing you can expect is for the police to declare curfews. I know that the MAYORS are the ones to do this but here in Rat infested Houston, the Mayor (Bill White) imposed a curfew of 3 days that was extended to a week by the Chief of Police with no authority to do so and no challenge to his extension.


56 posted on 06/11/2012 8:28:36 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I stand corrected. I did more poking around and even called a Secret Service friend of mine. 200,000,000 is way low.

Best I can tell is no one knows the actual number, but the SS friend said they are told it is likely somewhere north of 350,000,000.


57 posted on 06/11/2012 8:32:02 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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To: Marcella

Nah, but I can usually spot government workers from 1000 kilometers away.


58 posted on 06/11/2012 8:43:33 PM PDT by MtnClimber (To the left wrong is right, down is up and backward is "Forward")
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To: 1raider1

Picture this:

Twenty-something going off to be “volunteer staff” at some comic convention. They get room and board, free attendance, tee shirts, etc.

Mother says: Take some food with you.

He replies: This convention provides really well, I’ve worked it before.

Mother says: Here is a short list, I’ll buy, you go get this stuff and take it in your backpack.

He gets half of the stuff on the list.

Comes home (after four nights) starved.

Said the food provided by the convention was OK, but not enough, nor enough fats and carbs. He was soooo glad he brought along the food I suggested.

Mother then feeds twenty-something big home-cooked meal.

I guarantee that is the last time I will have to convince him to bring ADEQUATE trip food along.

Prepping is a fluid discipline.


59 posted on 06/11/2012 8:45:21 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: a fool in paradise

“...the Mayor (Bill White) imposed a curfew of 3 days that was extended to a week by the Chief of Police with no authority to do so and no challenge to his extension.”

Perhaps the chief did ask White for an extension.

That hurricane got me, too, no power north of Houston - but I had a working TV due to preps, and watched White’s daily news briefs. I thought he did a good job. He was dealing with many problems but he got it done.

What blew me away about Houston, was, the minute the hurricane passed, lots of people wanted free water, ice and food. They couldn’t wait to get in a FEMA line. Those are the people who will die in a total US emergency.


60 posted on 06/11/2012 8:46:44 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: MtnClimber

I have a very small public footprint on purpose and won’t be outside to be seen by anyone. I expect govn. workers will be overwhelmed by needy people. If I have to go outside to appear “needy”, I will, but think I will be overlooked. “Nothing to see here, move on.”


61 posted on 06/11/2012 8:56:36 PM PDT by Marcella (God wouldn't vote for Romney so I won't, either.)
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To: Kartographer

62 posted on 06/11/2012 9:08:35 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Looks like election day November 2008 and the Obama voters heading for the polls.


63 posted on 06/11/2012 9:34:09 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
But will the trains run on time?


64 posted on 06/11/2012 9:34:31 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: editor-surveyor
More than 100 million firearms have been sold since Obama took office. 500 million or more private arms are a better guess.

Latest stat I saw at a gun site is 9 of 10 Americans own at least one firearm

65 posted on 06/11/2012 9:57:27 PM PDT by QT3.14 (Never Argue With A LIBERAL...They Will Drag You Down To Their Level, Then Beat You With Experience!)
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To: QT3.14; editor-surveyor

How many more have been lost in unfortunate boating accidents? :-)


66 posted on 06/11/2012 9:59:56 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Once it gets to a certain point, things will unwind very, very fast IMHO.

That’s why people should not wait to get prepared. It’s not too late if they start tomorrow morning and are willing to spend a lot of money (that they may not have).

I’d never be able to do it if I started now. But something is better than nothing.


67 posted on 06/11/2012 10:17:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: 1raider1

Do you live in New Zealand perhaps?

You really think that preparing for hardships is a waste of time and people who have no food, no water, no way to cook or light or heat their homes will be no worse off than those who’ve made preparations?

I don’t understand your comment.


68 posted on 06/11/2012 10:21:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Iron Munro

You might want to try Kirks’ Castile soap. I first used it a long, long time ago - it washes hair, clothes, etc. Hair works better with rinsed with water and a dash or two of vinegar in it, if you have hard water.

I buy it by the case directly from Kirks, it seems to be slightly different (more like the kind from years ago) than what is in the store locally. I have enough for a long, long time.

Just do a quick search on Kirks. Now they have other stuff like liquid soap etc, but the bar kind is all I’ve ever used. They also have two kinds now, with fragrance and without. I much prefer without, even though the kind with is very non-offensive.


69 posted on 06/11/2012 10:30:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: QT3.14

I hear tell that gun shops in the San Francisco bay area are incredibly busy.


70 posted on 06/11/2012 10:33:20 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: little jeremiah

Serious, but how do you prep for the drones that the EPA and the DOHS are flying to spy on all our activities?

The EPA is monitoring farms, the NOAA is surveilling the oceans for illicit fishing, and the DOHS who knows what they are up to?

All our activities are being tracked by these political police.


71 posted on 06/11/2012 10:40:08 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: driftdiver
"There are many many people in the suburbs with military training."

That's beside the point, because most suburbanites and urbanites with military training of any kind wouldn't rob or otherwise attack rural folks. But to entertain your argument, of those with "military training," a very small percentage specialized in small arms combat. The vast majority in our armed forces didn't do enough of that to make any personal difference in small arms combat. And many with prior light combat specialty service are no longer able bodied (which number I'll probably join before long...getting up in the years).

More to the point on "civil unrest," yes. A lot of social unrest would be possible in some areas during nationally immoral times, but I lived through a humdinger of a hurricane, too.

One difference in my case was that it destroyed the city in 1970 (before the counter-culture kids had much effect against our nation). Another is that people in that city were, on average, far more moral than many who sat through other notorious but less windy storms. Our city was leveled, and we rebuilt within a year.

I wouldn't want to be near the more corrupt cities during riots or to be dependent on government for income between now and the end of this debt debacle.

"BTW, I watched that video. I can’t believe anyone in their right mind would treat a class III weapon like that. They are way too valuable to intentionally destroy."

Valuable in usefulness or in terms of resale value? I'm not so impressed with fully automatic small rifle fire, myself, except for very rare circumstances for combat (combat) soldiers at war (urban, jungle, etc.).

Most rural folks know their home places well--every high spot and every low spot. And more of them are more accurate and quick with firearms than most others. Enormous numbers of hillbillies can knock squirrels out of trees or hit varmints, post haste. Some of them can do things that most "experts" say can't be done. I've worn that erroneous designation of "expert" but was also a hillbilly.

As for all the talk about "WROL," though there will be law, though, regardless of various possible disasters, and consequences for all who deserve them. If at some point in time or circumstances, we don't have enough revenues to support $100,000+ per year, pedigreed, local top cops, there will be moral men with leadership abilities and willing to do good work for less.

IMO, what's scariest for many, is that the current trend in easy money through more common corruption will eventually end. And tall, strong, healthy men will do real work (e.g., heavy manufacturing) for their living again, while having lots of kids.

Just terrible that we'll return to a paradigm more like the '50s, when father still knew best after thousands of years of wisdom. That's part of why the more commie political class kooks are getting more bizarre every day and more ostensibly showing their criminal nature: penis envy. More generally, too many of our fellow Americans are morally bankrupt.

Yeah. We're seeing a correction, but I'm not crying about it. Things will get better for decent Americans, after things get worse for most.

As for self-defense, there are many considerations other than those fixated on by most.

If we're tossed into another stone age by total expenditures in international nuclear exchanges, oh, well. Decades later, maybe there would only be a few old bolt action rifles and very old surplus ammo in the hands of a few agricultural men and women...and kung fu, of course. ;-)

Save and prepare for hard times, yes. But beyond doing what we can, whatever happens, happens. An unemployed school shot the back glass out of my vehicle on May 1st (May Day?), but I didn't sweat it. Didn't even know her beyond a brief and friendly introduction a long time ago, or have anything to do with her after that. People like me can fix something like that very easily and inexpensively. She's moving and was likely foreclosed.

All that matters is now and what little we can do for later. IMO, your chances are probably better there than mine are here. Weather here is a potential killer for sure (100+ mph winds in winter with with the lowest low at -35 F last winter, not much oxygen at this elevation and very dry in summer with no nearby services). ...multitudes of mountain lions and bears. Prairie dogs carry Plague and deer mice, Hantavirus). Temps down in the teens last night.

But I love the peace, quiet and tinkering (agriculture, energy systems, etc.) here enough to take those chances and endure the cold. We're not going to live forever, ya know.


72 posted on 06/11/2012 10:49:29 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: driftdiver

Oops. An unemployed school teacher, even (shot the back glass out).


73 posted on 06/11/2012 11:07:57 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: editor-surveyor
I must tell you about ldm (Lomatium Dissectum)
it a plant based antibiotic......

it has the worst taste ..it's horrible but I was due to have a root canal and didn't want one..
I had read that if you put drops of this on the tooth it would clean it up so no rootcanal would be needed....

after 3 weeks of this I had an xray and my dentist said
I don't how this happened but your tooth looks much better
so i’m gonna continue and maybe I won't need a rootcanal...

I read it's also used for mrsa
anyways I'm buying extra for if tshtf

74 posted on 06/12/2012 12:20:35 AM PDT by freedommom
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To: editor-surveyor
I must tell you about ldm (Lomatium Dissectum)
it a plant based antibiotic......

it has the worst taste ..it's horrible but I was due to have a root canal and didn't want one..
I had read that if you put drops of this on the tooth it would clean it up so no rootcanal would be needed....

after 3 weeks of this I had an xray and my dentist said
I don't how this happened but your tooth looks much better
so i’m gonna continue and maybe I won't need a rootcanal...

I read it's also used for mrsa
anyways I'm buying extra for if tshtf

75 posted on 06/12/2012 12:20:43 AM PDT by freedommom
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To: little jeremiah

I have heard of this soap but never used it. Is there anything special about it, or has it just been around a long time?


76 posted on 06/12/2012 3:15:11 AM PDT by Library Lady
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To: Marcella

At first the authorities will be too busy. Shortly after they will go house to house looking for people who need ‘help’.

Or it may be for hoarders, weapons dealers, or a host of other anti-social behaviors.


77 posted on 06/12/2012 3:26:53 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: a fool in paradise

I’ve never been in a martial law situation - close, in the aftermaths of hurricanes, tornadoes and blizzards - but the LEOs I know up here, don’t seem to be that kind. I might be wrong in a SHTF or race riot situation, but they’re more concerned with their families’ safety/welfare than in taking-over the twps/ctys as mini-Hitlers. There are some pols here, who would readily do that, though.


78 posted on 06/12/2012 3:40:18 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs & most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Revolting cat!
Dang, she's built like the Mooch.

I would prefer somebody built for fighting zombies. Like Milla Jovovich


79 posted on 06/12/2012 4:39:08 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: ottbmare

Yes we are stockpiling meds also.


80 posted on 06/12/2012 5:30:11 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: little jeremiah
You might want to try Kirks’ Castile soap.

Thanks for the tip and info. I'll check it out.

81 posted on 06/12/2012 6:05:01 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: driftdiver
Things can go bad very quickly even with a minor hurricane.
Criminals seem to like those times to take advantage of others and lots of people do crazy stuff.

That is so true.

Rahm Emanuel: You never want a serious crisis to go to waste

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by
that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."


82 posted on 06/12/2012 6:15:50 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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To: familyop
good, cheap golf cart batteries

That seems to be something of an oxymoron. I have looked and deep cycle batteries are good but they ain't cheap. Where do you get the cheap ones?

83 posted on 06/12/2012 6:35:31 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (My dog, yes. My wife, maybe. My gun....NEVER!)
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To: 1raider1

Do you have insurance of any kind? Same principal. If nothing else it’s a hedge against inflation, unemployment, financial rough times or other bumps in the road.

If you don’t believe in prepping then no one is making you so don’t worry about it.


84 posted on 06/12/2012 6:47:44 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Revolting cat!
Is that thing real?

Hard asset? Oh yeah. You could probably bounce a quarter off of it.

85 posted on 06/12/2012 6:55:53 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (My dog, yes. My wife, maybe. My gun....NEVER!)
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To: little jeremiah

http://www.goddijn.com/soap/

Kirk’s got a good rating from the mildly entertaining “The Soap Review Page”


86 posted on 06/12/2012 8:01:14 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Iron Munro

Try Dr. Bronner’s. in a pinch, you can even use it for toothpaste.


87 posted on 06/12/2012 8:01:14 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Library Lady

THere are very few ingredients in it, no horrid fragrances (shudder), no tallow, I think there are about 4 or 5 ingredients, made with coconut oil.

Rinses very quickly - I think the motto is “rinses in a flash” and it’s true. Doesn’t leave the skin sticky.

I use it for my waist length hair.

When I’m down to 100 bars I buy more....


88 posted on 06/12/2012 8:21:07 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: hedgetrimmer

I live way, way, waaay out in the boonies, among mountains, so less chance any gov stuff would be interested in this area. But I figure the collapse that is on the way will collapse the fedgov right quick too, or pretty quickly. Can’t worry about everything.


89 posted on 06/12/2012 8:21:07 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks. I’ll have to try it.

I just got interested in making my laundry detergent. It seems that I’m not the only one doing that either. The Fels-Naptha soap, washing soda, and borax are now stored side by side at our local Walmart. I bought the ingredients yesterday. When I went through the checkout line, the cashier ask if I was making my own detergent. She said she had a friend who was doing that. I read somewhere that it costs about 7 cents per wash load. Ingredients are a lot cheaper at Walmart than at Lehmans. :)


90 posted on 06/12/2012 9:24:20 AM PDT by Library Lady
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To: Iron Munro; P.O.E.; Library Lady

Here’s a link to the Kirk’s soap I buy:

http://www.kirksnatural.com/barsoap.html

BTW the people I’ve talked to when ordering the soap told me that there are several plants in the US that manufacture Kirks; it was and may still be made also in Guatemala, I don’t think it’s made in the PI as suggested in the soap review.

The bars you buy in the store are very slightly different from the bars you buy directly from Kirks via their website or by phone. The soap directly from Kirks is the kind they used to make - very slightly translucent, a bit harder, and doesn’t break up when small as easily. The other kind, in stores, is whiter, more opaque, and seems to break up into smaller pieces more readily.

I asked them about this and they told me it was the same ingredients, just different manufacturing processes at (IIRC) three different soap making plants.

Also, as of the last time I ordere (less than 2 years ago, maybe even 1 year ago), Kirks is again independently owned. Proctor and Gamble bought it at some time in the past, and has sold it, so now it is a small independent company again.

That is my soap review! And I like the wrapper, it’s just the same as in 1971 when I first used that soap.


91 posted on 06/12/2012 10:41:57 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Library Lady

I’ve been planning to try making that detergent, too. I won’t use Fels unfortunately, because they’ve added some nasty perfume to it; if I could get the old Fels I would. I am allergic to all artificial fragrances (asthma) and that is one reason I use Kirks for bathing and washing hair. I figure Kirks would work for the soap in the detergent recipe, or maybe even Dr. Bronners, I have a few gallons of that, and it’s not as good as it used to be anyway.


92 posted on 06/12/2012 10:44:24 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: MtnClimber

At first gold and silver will be pretty much useless. As the sitation stabilizes at a much lower level, as people get used to it, gold and silver will become useful. For a very short initial period i imagine cash will be good but the value of it will decline to nothing pretty quickly.


93 posted on 06/12/2012 11:59:20 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: little jeremiah

I might try that. I have to be careful with soap I use on my face. My skin is so sensitive that soaps like Ivory, Dove, etc. burn it like sunburn. Creams like Oil of Olay are a no-no, too. I tried Merle Norman soap once, and you should have seen me. I literally peeled. Jergens works fine and is inexpensive enough. I’m almost afraid to try anything else.


94 posted on 06/12/2012 12:44:19 PM PDT by Library Lady
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To: freedommom

There is a really quick effective way to wipe out a root canal abscess.

You can get a ‘Hulda Clark” zapper on Ebay for around $25 and fit it out with longer wires, and a large handle on the negative wire, and a small probe for the positive wire.

Then zap the gum around the affected tooth for three 10 minute sessions, holding the handle in one hand (damp) and the probe in the other hand against the gum.

Warning: do not touch any metal fillings or crowns! (it really zings)

Your Lomatium is a good choice topically, but do not swallow it, or you may have digestive issues for a long time. (same as any antibiotic except garlic)


95 posted on 06/12/2012 1:20:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: editor-surveyor; freedommom

I make lomatium tincture and use it for flu and other respiratory ailments; never had or noticed any digestive upsets, nor have clients mentioned it. I started making it after reading that native tribe people in Nevada did not die from flu in the 1918 flu pandemic due to their use of lomatium.

It does taste horrible, it’s a strange root, sticky. Grows over much of the west, but not right where I live, so I had to buy it.

Have you used Clark’s zapper for root absesses?


96 posted on 06/12/2012 2:43:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

I have a zapper but I never used it for an abcess...

zapped some unwanted guests tho


97 posted on 06/12/2012 3:07:05 PM PDT by freedommom
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To: Library Lady

I never, ever use soap on my face. Just water and washcloth, also make my own skin oils. If you want something that cleans very well without any irritation, try making a paste with oatflour, works very well. Can be mixed with other stuff like milk, yogurt, powdered herbs of some kinds like turmeric, or rosewater. Makes the skin feel like baby skin.


98 posted on 06/12/2012 3:10:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: freedommom

Sounds like a useful thing for dentists are hard to find. Or instead of. I hate going to dentists and have considered getting vet tooth pliars, in cases of emergency bad teeth; people used to sometimes die of bad teeth. But there are so many kinds of tooth pliars I gave up.


99 posted on 06/12/2012 3:12:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

I am also looking into herbs that build dental enamel..
there are quite a few articles about that!


100 posted on 06/12/2012 4:08:10 PM PDT by freedommom
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