Posted on 06/20/2012 2:40:54 PM PDT by hope
Now we know why Obama issued executive privilege this morning to keep Holder from having to release documents about Fast and Furious.
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
The plan most likely started with Obama.
Umm... a hint maybe?
So Holder perjured himself again when he said that Obama didn’t know anything about Fast and Furious?
Ogden's speech cadence and body language go completely to Hell when he starts talking about "gun tracing." It's very obvious that he's taking caution while talking about it. I would say that he's complicit and directly involved in the operation.
Napolitano flicks her nose at the 3:00 mark while beginning to answer the question posed to her. She's frustrated, her body language and posture change, she shifts her weight a lot, and her speech cadence change. It's VERY obvious she's taking caution while talking about it.
This is pretty damning evidence against the administration, in my opinion, and it's plain that this operation was ordered and supported by DHS, DOJ, and the White House. Obama should swing for this.
there you have it
Wow, that’s damning, hang’em high!
Sorry not proof, but does lead toward it.
Gun Runner was not Fast And Furious just as Wide Receiver was not. There may be documents that do link the GR with FF or POTUS with FF but this presser does not do that, which it did though.
Excellent job.
We need lots of rope....they should all swing.
correction WISH it did
Predident Obama’s initiative. (Obama’s scheme cooked up with Holder.)
Thanks for the link.
Interesting and possibly indicting, but how is this announcement different from Operation Wide Receiver?
I do agree, it sounds to me as if the name "Fast and Furious" was substituded for the maiden name "Gun Runner".
I googled "Fast and Furious", the quotes making the search specific to the words and their order... I got 70,700,000 results... Really.
This (below) from Wiki.
(BTW, The ridiculous and superfluous “thanks” given by each speaker to Obama reminds me of terrorists beginning each statement with “By the will and grace of the all-powerful and merciful Allah, we today announce that we have killed......)
WIKI:
“ATF Project Gunrunner has a stated official objective to stop the sale and export of guns from the United States into Mexico in order to deny Mexican drug cartels the firearms considered “tools of the trade”.[20] However, since 2006 under Operation Fast and Furious, Operation Wide Receiver and others, it did the opposite by permitting, encouraging and facilitating ‘straw purchase’ firearm sales to traffickers, and allowing the guns to ‘walk’ and be transported to Mexico. This has resulted in the death of US border agent Brian Terry and considerable controversy.[2][21][22][23]
Senator Charles E. Grassley (R-IA) initiated an investigation with a letter to ATF on 27 January 2011,[24] and again on 31 January 2011. ATF responded through the Department of Justice by denying all allegations.[25] Senator Grassley responded with specific documentation supporting the allegations in letters to U.S. Attorney General Holder on 9 Feb 2011[26] and 16 Feb 2011.[27] ATF refused to answer specific questions in a formal briefing to Senator Grassley on 10 Feb 2011.
In October 2011, documents were released that indicated Holder was sent memos in regards to Operation Fast and Furious in 2010, contradicting Holder's sworn testimony before the House Judiciary Committee in which he said he was unaware of Operation Fast and Furious until April 2011. In response, Lamar Smith, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, sent a letter to President Obama, requesting the appointment of an independent special counsel to investigate whether Holder committed perjury by lying to the committee while under oath.[28]
Indictments filed in federal court, documentation obtained by Senator Grassley, and statements of ATF agents obtained by Senator Grassley and CBS News, show that the ATF Phoenix Field Division allowed and facilitated the sale of over 2,500 firearms (AK-47 rifles, FN 5.7mm pistols, AK-47 pistols, and .50 caliber rifles) in ‘straw man purchases’ destined for Mexico.[21][29][30][31][32][33] According to ATF agents, Mexican officials were not notified, and ATF agents operating in Mexico were instructed not to alert Mexican authorities about the operation.[34] Some ATF agents and supervisors strongly objected, and gun dealers (who were cooperating with ATF) protested the sales, but were asked by ATF to complete the transactions to expose the supply chain and gather intelligence.[21][35] However, there are accusations that the ATF was attempting to boost statistics to ‘prove’ that American guns are arming the Mexican drug cartels and to further budget and political objectives.[36] It has been established that this operation violated long-established ATF policies and practices and that it is not a recognized investigative technique.[37]
Many of these same guns are being recovered from crime scenes in Arizona[38] and throughout Mexico,[39] which is artificially inflating ATF’s eTrace statistics of U.S. origin guns seized in Mexico. Two of these guns recovered at the crime scene are linked to the murder of Customs and Border Protection Agent Brian Terry on December 14, 2010.”
This (below) from Wiki.
(BTW, The ridiculous and superfluous “thanks” given by each speaker to Obama reminds me of terrorists beginning each statement with “By the will and grace of the all-powerful and merciful Allah, we today announce that we have killed......)
WIKI:
“ATF Project Gunrunner has a stated official objective to stop the sale and export of guns from the United States into Mexico in order to deny Mexican drug cartels the firearms considered “tools of the trade”.[20] However, since 2006 under Operation Fast and Furious, Operation Wide Receiver and others, it did the opposite by permitting, encouraging and facilitating ‘straw purchase’ firearm sales to traffickers, and allowing the guns to ‘walk’ and be transported to Mexico. This has resulted in the death of US border agent Brian Terry and considerable controversy.[2][21][22][23]
Senator Charles E. Grassley (R-IA) initiated an investigation with a letter to ATF on 27 January 2011,[24] and again on 31 January 2011. ATF responded through the Department of Justice by denying all allegations.[25] Senator Grassley responded with specific documentation supporting the allegations in letters to U.S. Attorney General Holder on 9 Feb 2011[26] and 16 Feb 2011.[27] ATF refused to answer specific questions in a formal briefing to Senator Grassley on 10 Feb 2011.
In October 2011, documents were released that indicated Holder was sent memos in regards to Operation Fast and Furious in 2010, contradicting Holder's sworn testimony before the House Judiciary Committee in which he said he was unaware of Operation Fast and Furious until April 2011. In response, Lamar Smith, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, sent a letter to President Obama, requesting the appointment of an independent special counsel to investigate whether Holder committed perjury by lying to the committee while under oath.[28]
Indictments filed in federal court, documentation obtained by Senator Grassley, and statements of ATF agents obtained by Senator Grassley and CBS News, show that the ATF Phoenix Field Division allowed and facilitated the sale of over 2,500 firearms (AK-47 rifles, FN 5.7mm pistols, AK-47 pistols, and .50 caliber rifles) in ‘straw man purchases’ destined for Mexico.[21][29][30][31][32][33] According to ATF agents, Mexican officials were not notified, and ATF agents operating in Mexico were instructed not to alert Mexican authorities about the operation.[34] Some ATF agents and supervisors strongly objected, and gun dealers (who were cooperating with ATF) protested the sales, but were asked by ATF to complete the transactions to expose the supply chain and gather intelligence.[21][35] However, there are accusations that the ATF was attempting to boost statistics to ‘prove’ that American guns are arming the Mexican drug cartels and to further budget and political objectives.[36] It has been established that this operation violated long-established ATF policies and practices and that it is not a recognized investigative technique.[37]
Many of these same guns are being recovered from crime scenes in Arizona[38] and throughout Mexico,[39] which is artificially inflating ATF’s eTrace statistics of U.S. origin guns seized in Mexico. Two of these guns recovered at the crime scene are linked to the murder of Customs and Border Protection Agent Brian Terry on December 14, 2010.”
Bump! This is the only explanation.
Gunrunner is not Fast & Furious. F & F was covert- Gunrunner was known publicly.
There was the motivation. Then the plant (si!) reporter from Mexico asks the key question from their viewpoint, "Can you stop it without prosecuting the gun sellers in the US?"
And then Nappsy adds: "Gun tracing will help us identify who is putting those arms into the arms...uhh uhh uhh... the guns into the arms of the traffickers moving south uhhh and uhhh out of that there can reasonably be seen more prosecution of actual arms dealers who are intentionally and knowingly uhh putting arms into the hands of the smugglers. So that is part of the reason uhhh uhhh why the Department of Justice is such an essential part of this inititiave on uhhh Mexico."
Wow, that's a confession right there, right out of the Homeland Security Secretary's stuttering mouth, implicating herself, Obama and Holder specifically.
POWERFUL! Thanks for posting.
Pre-meditated, agenda-driven MURDER. It did not matter who or how many died, or whether they were Mexicans or Americans, drug cartel members or United States Customs and Border Patrol officers.
TREASON
More evidence...HERE...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjfyu0rkAxM
“Everything about socialism is sham and affectation.” - 23.11 Ch23 Evil; Economic Harmonies; Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850
FULB
FUDF
FUEH
FUBO
My question is:
What information does Holder have on Obama that he would make public if Obama threw him (Holder) under the bus?
Obama had no clue about what was in Obama-care, but he takes credit for it.
Obama’s cockroaches always seem to use Obama’s name or the WH as “directed by”, whenever they think they have something good going on and want to give him credit.
Brian Terry died for his country. Obama and Holder can’t even tell the truth to their country... and only for political reasons. Holder once said we were a country of cowards. It seems Holer and Obama are the cowards.
Janet looks like an only child telling Mom that she honestly didn’t put the cat in the dryer and she has no idea who did.
More Federal agents, More snooping technology.
Just what America needs/s
More Government.
Saul Alinsky tactic:
1) Define the 'CHANGE' (Gun control)
2) Fabricate the excuse for gun control (F&F guns run amok)
3) Implement gun control (on FFL's in U.S.)
1) Define the 'CHANGE' (Kill conventional oil drilling industry)
2) Fabricate the excuse to ban drilling (BP oil rig disaster)
3) Implement oil drilling moratoriums (Obama revokes licenses, falsifies committee reports, denies new permits, issues oil drilling moratoriums)
The nomenclature is superfluous.
Listen to what Napolitano says. She says that the DOJ, ATF and Homeland Security, under the direction of the President, are going to trace guns provided to gun smugglers for import into Mexico so they can prosecute US gun dealers.
They planned and launched the operation. They specifically were not targeting the cartels, but US gun dealers. Then they ordered the US gun dealers to provide the guns purchased for the cartels with US tax dollars.
Now they say they knew nothing about it.
Coke or Pepsi, the name doesn't matter.
Don’t forget about Crappy Nappy.
Gunrunner was the official ‘public’ policy.
F+F is what the government was doing covertly.
Uh, this was back in 2009. Do ya think that maybe, just maybe, they hadn't come up with a neat name like F&F yet, and used the name for the Bush program they were building off of? Ya think?
Oh, and note that they're talking about a program the president is very interested in, Gun Runner. When since this all broke, they've claimed F&F was started by the Bush administration, and is all their fault. No proof? Give it a break.
This goes all the way to Obama, just as we all knew from the beginning.
Wow! People should hang for this! (((ping)))
The question is, who made the decision and when, to allow (or even facilitate) the movement of guns across the border into Mexico with no attempt or intent to intercept or even track their movement? And was the real intent for these weapons to be used in crimes in Mexico so that they could be traced by serial number through the BATFE to gun shops on the American side of the border? This for political gain with total disregard for the safety of the people of Mexico. I’m pretty sure that the latter angle represents and Act of War.
Get a rope!
Over here....
Firstly words have meanings.
The left claim the idea of FF was started under Bush but that was Wide Receiver, a program that never intended to let firearms cross the border but to have controlled hand over and arrests.
Claiming that gun traces could only be a ref to FF is erroneous as gun traces were and are done all the time.
As a conservative I prefer to deal in facts not suppositions.
Fact - Justice Dept under Holder claimed no knowledge then months later retracted.
Fact - Holder claimed his predecessor was briefed on FF and retracted that TODAY.
Fact - a legal subpoena has been issued and ignored by the Justice Dept.
Fact - The White house claimed no knowledge of FF and now has exerted executive privilege to the documents that may prove other wise.
Please do not try to use loose change like video as “PROOF”
Who was the guy the commitee questioned on July 4th 2010-2011
head of the ATF? It was done very quickly and covetly...am thinking that guy gave them(Issa) all they needed back then ...and the goods are on Holder and Obam
No kidding!! The operation was intended to law a basis to justify more restrictive laws/rules regarding firearms sales. Of course Obama and Holder knew about it.
Melson.
IIRC, the media has used gun walker and wide receiver interchangeably. This video shows that the administration back in 2009 had a program, important to the president, that reflects the aim of F&F. If you can’t understand that, that’s your problem. Go pound sand.
If the government of Canada (for instance) armed Al Qaeda operatives in the US we would consider it an act of war.
Oh so sorry to have pointed out that Nomenclature does have meaning that we don’t want to look foolish we should have facts not suppositions and assumptions. (which I agree with for the most part)
We often accuse the media of distortion and the like (which they do) lets not sink to there level by saying an apple is an orange when it suits us.
They are touching on every key point except the SECRET program of ATF directly supplying guns to cartels. The Hispanic reporter says guns coming from USA are a pert of the problem, and Janet did NOT say, “Right, well we’re going to keep funneling guns paid for by taxpayers to cartels via US government.”
They are touching on every key point except the SECRET program of ATF directly supplying guns to cartels. The Hispanic reporter says guns coming from USA are a pert of the problem, and Janet did NOT say, “Right, well we’re going to keep funneling guns paid for by taxpayers to cartels via US government.”
I see you are a Hancock fan as well. LOL
The reason I didn’t ping the list is my speakers blew and I couldn’t verify whether this was actual proof or not. I will leave it up to the viewers who can hear it to make up their own minds.
Pinging now.
NOT to cover-up plotting and executing criminal activity (Fast and Furious IS A CRIME)
So... How can the President claim ‘Executive Privilege’ unless HE WAS IN ON THE DISCUSSIONS AND PLANNING!
Not to mention and act of international terrorism...against unarmed civilians in a country presumed to be our ally.
You are correct. I just read a Washington Post summary. They are expers on ExPr from Nixon on. BUT they portray it as a valid claim by O. Say we’ll see. When they should be screaming bloody murder! MSM is dead.
“If the government of Canada (for instance) armed Al Qaeda operatives in the US we would consider it an act of war.”
Hezbollah et al are working with the Mexican Cartels.
How many hundreds of Mexicans have died now because of F&F?
Is there no redress for tyranny? Who are these people that think themselves gods?
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