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Five Types Of Looters You Must Prepare For
Secrets of Urban Survival ^ | 6/21/12

Posted on 06/23/2012 3:55:22 PM PDT by Kartographer

It’s Survival Diva again with some food for thought about societal collapse; what to expect and who to look out for. It’s an important part of the puzzle when you’re one of the few prepared to survive the coming onslaught. Some guesstimate preppers make up only 5% of the populace, but it’s my belief it’s closer to 3% at best, and more likely to be 1-2%. Many give lip service to prepping and claim to be prepared when the truth is they’re still in the “thinking” stage.

They haven’t advanced to in-the-trenches preparedness that many need to do to get prepared faster, where dinners out, budget-draining vacations, and designer anything are put on the back-burner until the storage shelves are full, water has been stored, and must-have preparedness goods are crowding sheds, basements, or in a pinch; closets and under the bed.

To come out on the other side of a wide-spread crisis in one piece, even when you’re prepared, takes getting into the head of the majority of the population who are NOT prepared. If you’re successful, you’ll face, head-on, the darker side of humanity most of us would rather pretend doesn’t exist.

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: looters; preparedness; preppers; shtf; survival; urbansurvival
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To: Old Sarge; AEMILIUS PAULUS
Amazing how many people think that the sky can't fall. But if you look at the history of man it's basically about all the 'sky falling' events we've had. Of course some were bigger, more devastating and left bigger scars than others. The truth is the sky does fall at times.


Sometimes just a little of it falls.

And somtimes the whole damned thing falls down on you.

51 posted on 06/23/2012 7:05:26 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

For friends concerned that looters might strip or steal their cars, I have this suggestion. Get a ride that is old with some dents, rust and only cheap visible parts.
And make sure that it sounds bad, when it’s running.

;-)


52 posted on 06/23/2012 7:05:36 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Tijeras_Slim; humblegunner

Thanks Tijeras.

If we just had a bit more water here I would sleep a lot better at night. If major long term shtf event happens here there will be fights over water that will pale those legendary ones that occurred here some 150 years ago. I fear that in the end the high desert would be cover with bleached bones of those who lose those fights.

The banks of the Rio Grande at least in ABQ would be a combination of gang turf and snipers gallery.


53 posted on 06/23/2012 7:19:02 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Texas Fossil
OT - did you hear about the grass in Bastrop County killing cattle? Tifton 85, a modified coastal bermuda grass is for some strange reason producing cyanide gas which has killed some cattle in Bastrop County (the site shows Burnet Co. but it's Bastrop Co). Other ranchers in Bastrop Co. have tested their Tifton 85 and those have shown cyanide as well. They're thinking it might have to do with the drought last year but no one knows. If this is so, then A&M or someone has some explaining to do.

http://www.weareaustin.com/ then click on top video stories and go to Mysterious Mass Cattle Deaths.

54 posted on 06/23/2012 7:20:40 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Eye of Unk

War is always a race of who can come up with the newest the best, the easiest the most effective. They evolve then you evolved. In the end it’s a war of attrition. It’s who can out last the other, because dead men don’t evolve.


55 posted on 06/23/2012 7:21:38 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Old Sarge

After Wilma, we got to know our neighbors and helped each other. The power was out for days (weeks across the street).

And the silence was beautiful, no planes every 5 minutes, could see the stars etc. Even saw a shooting star and thought that my grandmother was sending me a message. (I was very down)


56 posted on 06/23/2012 7:26:39 PM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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To: Farmer Dean

I like my mixed corgi. She has a growl and heart of a pit bull. No nuisance she only barks she has reason and never misses. She has a keen judgement of people that is as good or better than mine (If Hope doesn’t like you there’s a damn good reason). Better disposition than most bigger dogs and does eat near as much.


57 posted on 06/23/2012 7:29:54 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: bgill
Were the deaths to calves and young heifers?

We have problems with Black Leg in one of our pastures. It is spring fed and in Coastal Bermuda (not Tifton). During wet season we get outbreaks unless he cattle are vaccinated for it. Must be 6 months old to vaccinate, but nursing calves are protected by mother's milk.

Had one nearby farmer loose almost an entire calf crop to it.

If a heifer or calf is infected, it dies. Nothing will stop it once infected. Only vaccination works.

Another possible is prussic acid. Drought stress can cause it in Coastal Bermuda.

58 posted on 06/23/2012 7:43:56 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: little jeremiah
If [when...] the WIC vouchers disappear and the EBT cards don’t work, there are going to be many hungry and desperate people in my valley. Who could have prepared but did not and will not. I saw the two children - now well fed, but maybe very hungry in a while. What will Mommy do? Is there a Daddy around?

I once visited a client's home and found it to be in horrible shape and no food for the kids. I told the welfare Mommy she better have something worked out by that afternoon or else. I drove past the house every couple hours and laughed the rest of the day. Sugar Daddies were busy with their hammers (the metal kind) replacing windows and screens and fixing holes in the porch. Others brought in bags upon bags of groceries. I suppose someone was keeping track of services rendered and owed. It was too fun so I gave them a few extra hours so when I stopped in that evening, I nodded to a gentleman putting on a new front door and none of us ever questioned or offered any explanation of the grand improvement.

59 posted on 06/23/2012 7:51:21 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Mr Apple

Keep your nicer vehicles inside the garage and park the not so nice vehicle around the side of your house so it’s not so visible. In the backyard would be better but more of a hassle if it’s used regularly. If it’s not used regularly, then get rid of it.


60 posted on 06/23/2012 7:56:09 PM PDT by bgill
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To: CodeToad
There is another, and potent, adversary: The HOA President; the idiot that thinks he has some kind of power to call votes and demand people obey

Adding to the list a special shovel for that guy. Every neighborhood has one of those whether you're in an HOA or not.

61 posted on 06/23/2012 7:59:51 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Texas Fossil

It didn’t say but it sounded like most of his herd. They died almost immediately.


62 posted on 06/23/2012 8:10:42 PM PDT by bgill
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To: packrat35

Well, I should be ok then....


63 posted on 06/23/2012 8:12:00 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Mr Apple

Form a neighborhood crime watch group and put alarms on everything.


64 posted on 06/23/2012 8:13:11 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: bgill

Cyanide in plants is not unusual—but high concentrations are. It’s likely a byproduct of the drought and a passing problem. Not that that is any consolation for those affected.

http://www.ehow.com/about_5201273_natural-source-cyanide-plants.html


65 posted on 06/23/2012 8:16:42 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Borax Queen

I took it to the next level. When my wife and I bought new cars in 2005, we bought Saturns, boring gray in color, with no special stuff.

No one steals Saturns unless nothing else is available.


66 posted on 06/23/2012 8:29:50 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: jmax

If someone asked me how much ammo I had (or anything else), I would give a vague answer as well.


67 posted on 06/23/2012 8:31:34 PM PDT by Rio (Tempis fugit.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Cattle Industry: Who’s Your Girl? Who Loves You?
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - June 19, AD 2012 6:02 PM MST

http://www.barnhardt.biz

If you haven’t already read this, you might want to do that now. Just so you buy those chickens and procure more cattle.

Her advice has been rock solid and better than gold.

And the video interview of Karl Denninger, of Market-ticker, is enough to scare the Hell out of me. He states the whole economy will crash before the November electiona. Eek!


68 posted on 06/23/2012 8:40:02 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: bgill

Would suspect prussic acid. It is like that.

Also called hydrocyanic acid (HCN)

LIVESTOCK AND PRUSSIC ACID POISONING

http://beef.osu.edu/library/prussic.html


69 posted on 06/23/2012 8:48:07 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: House Atreides

Yes, and it looks like another hot dry summer unless there are more tropcial disturbances like the current Debby heading our way.


70 posted on 06/23/2012 8:50:52 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Texas Fossil

Could be. But you’d think they’d have jumped on that. I thought at first they’d gotten into something to cause bloat. Sad either way.


71 posted on 06/23/2012 9:18:23 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Rio
>>> "If someone asked me how much ammo I had (or anything else), I would give a vague answer as well." <<<

I only ask my FRIENDS questions like that, just as they ask me. That said; I would never ask you, as you're are NOT my friend.

By the way...there is a difference between friends and acquaintances....but, that's a discussion for another day.

72 posted on 06/23/2012 9:20:07 PM PDT by jmax (Be warned....I'm armed. Round is chambered, full magazine is inserted, safety is off.)
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To: SatinDoll
Yes, I know about Ann Barnhardt. Have read her stuff for about a year.

The issue in cattle is that you have to feed them if you don't have pasture. We elected not to pore the money into them and sold during the drought. Rainfall is better now, but not great. And it is spotted not general rains.

We have been occupied dealing with illness of family members. That takes priority.

73 posted on 06/23/2012 9:28:37 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: driftdiver
I fully expect it to get worse.

I agree and I blame this socialist Obama administration and the democrats for all the millions who are out of work and of these many have become flat out desperate for money.

74 posted on 06/23/2012 9:49:22 PM PDT by Mr Apple
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To: Texas Fossil
We elected not to pore the money into them and sold during the drought.

My brother has a cattle ranch (also here in Texas) and last August or so, sold his whole herd of over 400 head. He is not going to buy more cattle for the time being.

75 posted on 06/23/2012 10:07:13 PM PDT by Mr Apple
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To: Texas Fossil

I’m so sorry to hear about illness among your relatives. My dad has alzheimers, so I know about the worries that accompany that.

We had an inch of rain today. Two inches in the past two days. Too bad we can’t send some of this Pacific Northwest rain in Texas’ direction. Maybe you’ll soon get a break from that storm that formed in the Gulf.

Good luck and God bless.


76 posted on 06/23/2012 10:23:38 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: Kartographer

bflr


77 posted on 06/24/2012 1:02:26 AM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Mr Apple
We are in better shape than most with pasture.

After the drought broke in Mid-October 2011 we had a pretty wet winter. Then Spring was hot & dry again. Our wheat crop yield was a little over 1/2 our normal production. Those who planted early trying to get the winter grazing, ran out of moisture as the crop was maturing, yields were terrible. We planted in Mid November 2011 and the seed quality was good.(we are in the planting seed business)

I think the damage from the 100 year drought is more than just moisture. It is ground culture also. We have been no-till for almost 20 years. The soil culture got better during that time and with it the average yield.

Wheat is a crop that shuts down when the temperatures get over 90 degrees F. Some varieties have slightly higher resistance to that mechanism and produce more under hot temperatures.

Now, concerning commodities prices and Ann Barnhardt, She is very bright and knows AG Commodities. Her advice about not hedging them now is good advice. Problem here is that if you own cattle and don't have the grazing you have to supplement with feed and hay. You can rapidly spend more than the cattle are worth, even in a rising market.

We are not big operators, have small pasture acreage. Fortunately one of the pastures is spring fed, water seeps naturally from a shale bed, which multiplies the number of cattle that we can keep. So even in the drought we had some grazing. We could have reduced the stock to 25% of normal and continued but had no hay or winter grazing in place. (the spring fed pasture is in Coastal Bermuda)

Some of the local cattle operators shipped their herd out of state where grazing was available waiting for conditions to improve here. We shall see how that works out.

Are we going to have a total financial collapse? It is possible. Probable? No one has that crystal ball.

Are we being played for suckers by the Globalist Despots? Probably.

Can we do anything about it? Unknown.

BUT, I am not a fatalist. Texas is still different than much of the rest of the nation. Will remain so as long as the people are also different. It has never been “easy” to live here. Harsh environment in much of the state. But it is inhabited by tough resourceful people.

78 posted on 06/24/2012 4:29:53 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Farmer Dean

Just make sure you unhook the battery.Could fry the computer.Just sayin.


79 posted on 06/24/2012 5:09:28 PM PDT by xarmydog
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To: Borax Queen; Farmer Dean; doug from upland; b4its2late
This happened just around the corner from us also, several.... (AZ is one of the highest for stolen vehicles), but I had never thought someone would take all the tires.

Well, if this has already happened in AZ, then this new type of wheel/tire theft has probably already spread to many states and probably - will increase everywhere as time goes by.
Again, I have no clue on how to prevent this from happening to any cars/trucks not garaged but left out by your curbs.
(however, the ideas in posts #46 and #48 might help)

80 posted on 06/25/2012 9:20:35 AM PDT by Mr Apple
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To: doug from upland; b4its2late; Kartographer; CodeToad; Farmer Dean
See posts #15, 46, 48 and 79.
(and btw Farmer Dean, what is a fence charger?)
81 posted on 06/25/2012 9:29:59 AM PDT by Mr Apple
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To: Texas Fossil
After the drought broke in Mid-October 2011 we had a pretty wet winter. Then Spring was hot & dry again.

And now we all hear obama and the rest of the liberal human toilets spewing that it is global warming causing the droughts.

Of course, that's b.s.

82 posted on 07/06/2012 10:12:46 AM PDT by Mr Apple ( The first priority is get socialist obama out of the White House!)
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To: Mr Apple

Yes, of course it is Total BS!

Weather is variable. FACT. And it is more variable during sunspot minimums and maximums. Suprise? Been known for 100+ years.


83 posted on 07/06/2012 10:17:10 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Farmer Dean

Make sure you keep them well fed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR5YaIMSkL4


84 posted on 07/06/2012 11:00:46 AM PDT by Principle Over Politics (Obamney or Rombama 2012. Two sides of the same coin. Pick your poisen!)
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