In fact, in my book, he would be right up there with Hanoi Jane in 1st or 2nd place...
Posted on 06/24/2012 5:54:41 PM PDT by Borges
Some interesting choices with a Number 2 that I never heard of.
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I’m a proud Yankee and even I think anyone who calls Robert E Lee a traitor is a moron. Even in the middle of a brutal civil war he was widely respected in the north.
Where’s the Rosenbergs?
I agree about R.E. Lee not needing to be on there. He DID resign his commission, so he wasn’t pulling the wool over anyone’s eyes. Back then, people thought of themselves more as what State they were from, than as Americans.
Ditto. Robert E. Lee was not a traitor
Robert E. Lee, was a decorated veteran in the Mexican War, showing his skill at the battle of Cerro Gordo, it was his genius idea that brought a great victory. He isn’t a traitor. He loved the country U.S.A, and felt horrible that the people in the North were agressors and came and attacked them in Virginia.
Lee doesn’t belong on this list, and how is Ezra Pound a worse traitor than the Rosenbergs or Alger Hiss? Of course the top slot should be reserved for Obama.
Anyone who knows anything about that period realizes that Lee was not a traitor. In those times the question of who your loyalty was first was a serious matter of dispute- state or federal. Remember the states existed before the federal govt. Remember that one of the main reasons that Jefferson Davis was never tried on treason was because there was serious belief that the Supreme Court would hold that a state could withdraw from the union.
Officers in the Federal Army were allowed to resign, so they could fight for the south. The Army and Naval Academies held a final formation so the students could say one last good bye to each other before they separated.
There was a sense of honor and a personal code that seems very alien to us now.
Also recognize that Robert E. Lee did more to ensure that ex-confederate soldiers came back into the union than any other confederate general (that I know of). He was held in high esteem by both sides before, during and after the civil war.
He was leader of an enemy army. That’s all it takes.
Rather, he failed to act up to his father’s level. His father accepted the federal government commission to put down a rebellion. Lee shirked, then hid behind a state commission, then supported an army which illegally occupied US territory and had fired on US forces. He applied for pardon, thus admitting his wrong, which was not issued until after he died.
It’s quite obvious someone forgot one ,,,, that is #1 B. H. 0.
I’m a Texan but have always held with you damn yanks in that war, but I agree, REL was a class act and an honorable soldier. Much better man than many of the Generals of the North.
(and I’ll leave it at that, I don’t care for the CW threads.)
Where the hell is Alger Hiss? Or the Rosenbergs? Or Morton Sobell? Or Judith Coplon?
The leaders at that time didn’t speak ill of each other publicly back then either. Lee himself said that he surrendered as much to Lincoln’s goodness as he did to Grant’s army.
Of course, they're not traitors--just innocent victims of McCarthyism.
Is my browser not working properly?I dont see any names and dont recognize some of them or an explanation why they were chosen.Who are they?
Here’s a compromise - we’ll keep “Lee” on the list, but change it to “Lee Harvey Oswald”.
A fellow I know not prone to rash accusations claimed that Oswald, while in the Soviet Union, explained to them how to shoot-down a U2.
Then, a few months later, down came Francis Gary Powers.
Works for me. Oswald was scum.
And where were the Rosenbergs? Give the Soviets the H-Bomb and not make the list?
I call BS on this. Looks like agenda-driven.
I agree on eliminating RE Lee from the list. Alger Hiss should be up at #2. And move Pound from the top 10 to 11th and insert the Rosenbergs.
R.E. Lee betrayed his nation, the United States of America, at a time when the nation most needed him
Fritz Kuhn was well-known during the 1930's, but by the time war broke out in 1941, his star had fallen. He shouldn't be on this list because he contributed virtually nothing to the Axis war effort. Ezra Pound was a critically acclaimed poet.
No wonder the leftists came up with all of their kooky conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination, they just couldn’t handle the fact that JFK was killed by a Commie.
In fact, in my book, he would be right up there with Hanoi Jane in 1st or 2nd place...
United States Constitution - Article 3, Section 3
“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.”
Any honest and learned individual who can see through neo-confederate nonsense can understand the obvious; Lee was a traitor.
I find that a bit far-fetched. Oswald was a Marine infantryman. Just how in the heck would he have known how to shoot down a high flying U2? I know Marine sharpshooters are good — but not THAT good.
Also, I note the Walkers are not on this list. And they should be.
He was leader of an enemy army. That’s all it takes.
No. Robert E. Lee was all about Virginia. It pained him greatly to refuse command of the Union Army and eventually lead the Confederates. As went Virginia, went Robert E. Lee.
Just goes to show what one motivated Marine and his rifle can do.
Lee did his duty as he saw fit. I don’t doubt that he could have gotten another command position if he had wanted it.
I would replace Robert E. Lee with John fubar Kerry.
It says treason against the United States of America - not the ‘Union’.
He never was a citizen of the Union, and so could not have been a traitor against her.
Sandy Burglar, That dude risked a lot by stuffing papers in His pants, shortly after 9-11. He got away with it, But what He did, stealing State secrets or evidence, is what a traitor does. He belongs on any list Fonda is on.
Where’s the Rosenbergs?
Exactly. Whomever compiled this list just pulled names out of a hat and can remove R.E.L. posthaste. The Monti character is interesting, but hardly in the ranks of the Rosenbergs or Teddy “Secrets for Chivas” Kennedy, for that matter. Despicable cretin.
Instead of punishment Berger sits on the board of the International Crisis Group with the likes of George Soros and Kofi Annan.
“Lee did his duty as he saw fit. I don’t doubt that he could have gotten another command position if he had wanted it.”
370,000 United States soldier died in the war.
Are you really going to defend the man who led their enemy?
No, he was not.
Oswald was a Marine RADAR operator.
The United States of America was a union of 34 states in 1861.
R.E. Lee fought against this great union.
What does that mean?
But I can think of a handful of people who didn't make the cut and should have: John Walker, Jerry Whitworth, to name two. Hiss, the Rosenburgs, practically anyone on the Verona list. Adam Gadahn and Major Nidal Hasan without a doubt. Not, however, punks like William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, who were second-raters at their top and are simply embarrassing now.
Indeed he did, but he could not be a traitor to it, since he never was a resident of any union state.
You want a traitor, go with Paul Revere.
“Anyone calling Robert E. Lee a ‘traitor’ has shit for brains”
Article 3, Section 3 of the constitution makes it very clear. Levying war against the United States is treason.
“370,000 United States soldier died in the war.”
Odd that you didn’t use the term ‘American’.
Of course Lee was a resident of a Union state ~ it was called Virginia. During the war a rump government was established in Northern Virginia, where the Lee residence is located (SEE: Arlington National Cemetery). The federal government didn’t ask their permission to buy Lee’s property at an open public auction ~ and it got standing in the Lee family suit to recover Arlington on that basis.
Lee was not a "traitor to his country". Lee considered his country to be Virginia. When Virginia seceded, Lee resigned his U.S. Army commission and followed Virginia. People in the U.S.A. tend to forget that the U.S. States were "States" in the truest sense of the word. At the time of the Civil War, people did not consider a "State" to be merely a division of the U.S.A.
And why pick Lee to put on the list out of the entire confederacy? And no, Lee did not command "the entire southern forces". He only commanded the Army of Northern Virginia; and that was only after its commander was gravely wounded. The author chose to include the most beloved and respected general out of the entire war. Where was John Wilkes Booth on the list? The list was total BS.
The war was over when Booth came along ~
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